Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 133 | 134 | 135 | 136 | 137 | 138 | 139 | 140 | 141 | 142 | 143 | 144 | 145 | 146 | 147 | 148 | 149 | 150 | 151 | 152 | 153 | Next > | Last >
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27339155 - 06/07/21 04:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That energy vault link was a good one cheers.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
    #27339177 - 06/07/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Crazy_Horse said:
Nuclear airplanes would be awesome.







I don't think so Tim.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,260
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27339179 - 06/07/21 04:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Energy storage is a problem but capitalism is The Problem


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27339201 - 06/07/21 04:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yes it is, has been, and will continue to be.

However the ironic thing is that once the numbers stack up for renewables then it will be a capital investment led change.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27339261 - 06/07/21 05:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Nuclear 
Quote:

koods said:
Nuclear is the only reasonable technology to produce electricity on a massive scale.




It's not a bad idea apart from the waste, but I agree it's an option.
Twiggy has crunched the numbers and thinks he can do it. He's a good guy but he's also an astute business investor and wouldn't be putting his money where his mouth is to loose it.


I wasn't aware of any leakage problems but would also be very surprised if Lavo would be selling something that leaks Hydrogen.
Check it out.




All materials are permeable to hydrogen. The hydrogen molecule is too small and can pass through other materials


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27339290 - 06/07/21 05:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Ok. From what I can read the the hydrogen is absorbed into a metal alloy.


This came out last week.
Quote:

If the trial program at Ularring is successful, then Macarthur and LAVO intend to examine opportunities to
develop a fully localised micro-grid engineering solution that includes a solar PV array, a centralised hydrogen
hydride containerised storage system and appropriately sized fuel cell to support the energy requirements for
Macarthur’s planned high grade magnetite iron ore mine at Lake Giles, following successful delivery of the
Company’s current Feasibility Study.

This could involve the integration of larger, containerised ‘HEOS’ hydrogen
energy batteries with up to 13 MWh of capacity (currently being developed by LAVO), potentially delivering
energy to Macarthur’s magnetite operations at a commercial scale.

https://lavo.com.au/lavo-and-macarthur-minerals-partner-to-trial-integration-of-hydrogen-power-at-lake-giles-iron-project/




 

Imo any battery that gets into the 1 megawatt size is significant. 13 meg is definitely utility scale.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27339927 - 06/08/21 09:01 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What the hell is hydrogen hydride? This sounds super scammy.

All these hydrogen technology advances are scams IMO., but definitely one talking about hydrogen hydride which is a substance that doesn’t exist or is some scammy way of referring to molecular hydrogen is just trying to fool naive investors

Reminds me of that dihydrogen monoxide joke. Nobody serious would call H2 hydrogen hydride. 🤦‍♂️


Edited by koods (06/08/21 09:20 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,260
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27339960 - 06/08/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe it's all somehow H- ions? I dunno how you stop that from reacting like crazy with the materials of your vessel, etc. And it seems like that would be smaller than H2 and thus even harder to contain at all. Maybe with a magnetic field or something like the plasma in fusion reactor? That seems inefficient.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27340116 - 06/08/21 11:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You can abosrb hydrogen into certain metals but as far as I know they are all extremely expensive and heavy metals like platinum and palladium

For electrolysis you can make a hydrogen electrode by saturating the surface of a platinum electrode with hydrogen.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,458
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27340124 - 06/08/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Wish I got some palladium back when it was a few hundred bucks an ounce. It's about 10x the price it was in '08.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,472
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 1 day, 4 hours
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi]
    #27340145 - 06/08/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder what’s gonna happen to all these ‘developing’ nations with huge swaths of precious metals when everyone realizes we absolutely need those to transition away from fossil fuels. I mean Elon musk basically admitted that’s why the US helped stage that coup in Bolivia, over their lithium deposits.

Are we gonna accept that those nations now have some leverage in the resource war, and acccept some slightly higher energy prices? Or will we just invade them and tell ourselves we had no choice in order to save the planet?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27340203 - 06/08/21 12:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Meh lithium isn’t that rare and it’s very recyclable.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,260
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27340217 - 06/08/21 12:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Have you seen the new aluminum/graphene batteries? No rare minerals involved. 60X charging speed compared to lithium. Potential game changer for electric vehicles. You could charge to full in a few minutes at a "gas" station.

big, if true
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2021/05/13/ev-range-breakthrough-as-new-aluminum-ion-battery-charges-60-times-faster-than-lithium-ion/?sh=69ecb1ce6d28


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27340219 - 06/08/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Aluminum has a lot of properties similar to lithium. Lightweight and reactive. And an essentially unlimited supply.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/08/21 12:49 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27340332 - 06/08/21 02:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well I dunno, I'm just an electrician, just like I don't build inverters, I don't build batteries either. We just get to deal with the engineering.

I will say the same thing I've said to the Clean Energy Council, that the idea of 2 million battery bombs in various states of neglect across the country is a bad idea. Fuck even Tesla recommends to 'just let them burn themselves out'.
Did you read about the one firefighters couldn't put out in Texas?

We had to go back this year and inspect every LG Chem installation we have done as their Battery Management System(the key to the battery not becoming a fireball) was overcharging the battery to the point they were ready to burst the case.

Lithium are highly susceptible to thermal runaway... You're welcome to Google that if you like it's a real thing as is HEOS Helium.
https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-0042(21)00145-0.pdf

The University of New South Wales are a venture partner, I doubt they'd be partnering in a snake oil scam with taxpayer funds unless they were backing a winner. Same with Nedstack. Same with Ampcontrol

Thing is there are many different battery technologies out there, the liquid bromide flow battery for instance, that haven't made it successfully to the production stage. This one has.

No one technology will get the planet out of the current mess, this is just another piece in the puzzle.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27340355 - 06/08/21 02:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Lithium reacts with water, but nothing like sodium or potassium. Water should be able to successfully smother a lithium fire, but CO2 extinguishers should do the trick. Or maybe lithium reacts with co2 like magnesium. Magnesium definitely burns in a CO2 atmosphere in a thermite type reaction where the oxygen is stripped off the carbon and then oxidizes the magnesium the same way aluminum strips the oxygen off of iron oxide.

I set my old dead iPhone battery on fire to see what happens and it was pretty disappointing. A dead battery has a lot less elemental lithium than a charged one tho.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/08/21 02:48 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27340358 - 06/08/21 02:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Water should be able to successfully smother a lithium fire, but CO2 extinguishers should do the trick.




Short answer is they generate too much heat and keep reigniting from what I've read.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,946
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 21 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27340378 - 06/08/21 03:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Have you seen the new aluminum/graphene batteries? No rare minerals involved. 60X charging speed compared to lithium. Potential game changer for electric vehicles. You could charge to full in a few minutes at a "gas" station.

big, if true
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2021/05/13/ev-range-breakthrough-as-new-aluminum-ion-battery-charges-60-times-faster-than-lithium-ion/?sh=69ecb1ce6d28




That's another good link, and from the mighty state of Queensland as well. It'll be interesting to see if it makes it into production.
The flow battery was engineered here also, I've worked with the guys that own the company.
The flow battery has suffered problems with water contamination or something along those lines, but at least they don't go into meltdown like lithium.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27340451 - 06/08/21 04:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Well I dunno, I'm just an electrician, just like I don't build inverters, I don't build batteries either. We just get to deal with the engineering.

I will say the same thing I've said to the Clean Energy Council, that the idea of 2 million battery bombs in various states of neglect across the country is a bad idea. Fuck even Tesla recommends to 'just let them burn themselves out'.
Did you read about the one firefighters couldn't put out in Texas?

We had to go back this year and inspect every LG Chem installation we have done as their Battery Management System(the key to the battery not becoming a fireball) was overcharging the battery to the point they were ready to burst the case.

Lithium are highly susceptible to thermal runaway... You're welcome to Google that if you like it's a real thing as is HEOS Helium.
https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-0042(21)00145-0.pdf

The University of New South Wales are a venture partner, I doubt they'd be partnering in a snake oil scam with taxpayer funds unless they were backing a winner. Same with Nedstack. Same with Ampcontrol

Thing is there are many different battery technologies out there, the liquid bromide flow battery for instance, that haven't made it successfully to the production stage. This one has.

No one technology will get the planet out of the current mess, this is just another piece in the puzzle.



Sounds like the same unfounded concerns people had going from horses and electric cars to rolling gasoline bombs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,332
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 26 minutes, 29 seconds
Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27340469 - 06/08/21 04:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Quote:

koods said:
Water should be able to successfully smother a lithium fire, but CO2 extinguishers should do the trick.




Short answer is they generate too much heat and keep reigniting from what I've read.




Discharged lithium ion batteries arent particularly flammable. It’s the electrolyte that burns and they can be put out with water. In a discharged battery most of the lithium has been converted to a non reactive lithium ion.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/08/21 04:34 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 133 | 134 | 135 | 136 | 137 | 138 | 139 | 140 | 141 | 142 | 143 | 144 | 145 | 146 | 147 | 148 | 149 | 150 | 151 | 152 | 153 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Credibility fft2 677 7 07/15/04 07:08 PM
by Redo
* Christians on PalTalk Chat Service Tracked by Radical Islamic Web Site Rogues_Pierre 721 0 03/06/06 08:37 AM
by Rogues_Pierre
* Another rant about JFK and the government's credibility
( 1 2 all )
LearyfanS 1,838 26 06/08/03 04:08 PM
by mike
* PATERSON'S EXCUSE IS SIMPLY INN-CREDIBLE lonestar2004 480 5 03/25/08 09:50 AM
by lonestar2004
* WWII in chat newuser1492 564 4 07/22/05 10:27 AM
by Madtowntripper
* Capitalism at work
( 1 2 3 4 ... 24 25 )
Bigbadwooof 17,383 480 10/30/15 08:29 PM
by hostileuniverse
* This is why we need GMO labeling
( 1 2 3 4 ... 123 124 )
sweeper54 99,348 2,475 12/02/16 08:51 AM
by hostileuniverse
* Bernie 2016!
( 1 2 3 4 ... 250 251 )
elax420 116,019 5,003 01/14/17 04:00 AM
by GPryder

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
59,122 topic views. 3 members, 3 guests and 5 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.03 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.