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No clue what’s happening
    #27335055 - 06/04/21 11:57 AM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

Hi guys,

I started with my first home grow kit. It is a mckennai Supa gro 9000.
It’s today 3 weeks since I received the grow kit and put it in the plastic bag.

Now I’m at this stage where everything on top is white.

The problem is I have shrooms coming out of the bottom and side but nothing grows where it should grow 😅

It was very dry 3 days ago  so I tried to Mist it multiply times a day .

Not it’s looking like that:
What should I do now ? Thanks for your help !!



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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27335085 - 06/04/21 12:15 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

Someone more experienced will chime in, but here's what I would do. Carefully remove the whole cake/flip it. Put it in a slightly bigger container to continue fruiting. I think if you search a bit you'll find some threads doing the same.

Basically your conditions on the side/bottom were better for fruiting than the top.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: E_Dubbya]
    #27335121 - 06/04/21 12:39 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

I'd let them get nearly done before attempting any kind of flipping. They're there because the conditions aren't good on top. Flipping will just expose them to lesser conditions and risk aborting if they aren't far enough along.

In the next attempts, make your own and maintain that surface with a top layer or something to help encourage top pinning.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27335128 - 06/04/21 12:48 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

Looks like it had been over-misted, then it dried out?


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: NoChill]
    #27335600 - 06/04/21 08:44 PM (15 days, 17 hours ago)

More information :

When I received the grow kit I read the instruction from Supa gro website . They said you don’t need to soak it at first. So I set it up and waited 2 weeks.

My English is not perfect, now  I re read the instruction and I think I misunderstood something.

It says, I should Mist it every day from day one to the point when the first pins show up.
I didn’t do that . I only opened the plastic  bag  every day 1-2 times for 30-60 sec…

So you guys think I should let it stay like it is rn and when the shrooms on the side and bottom are ready I should harvest them and flip the cake?


Edited by CryptoShroom (06/04/21 08:46 PM)


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27335641 - 06/04/21 09:34 PM (15 days, 16 hours ago)

My suggestion would be mist it up now. And when the shrooms on the bottom get large and fat, you can flip at that point to let them finish and maybe plump a bit. If you miss the window to flip, you can still harvest flat side pins.

Half the problem is it's a kit. THere's a good chance the block was already kinda old and matted b4 you even touched it. Directions aren't correct either(misting is as needed for example). If the future, you should follow directions from a tek here. It's much cheaper and is actually pretty easy to do it yourself. If you can time your flip, you might be able to get yourself a spore print to work from on the next attempt.

I recommend starting simple with pf tek.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27335952 - 06/05/21 06:29 AM (15 days, 7 hours ago)

To be honest . To make my own monotub and sporeprints were planned .

The grow kit I buyed was planned to start and use the shrooms for the first genetics I can copy.

So when is the right moment to flip the cake. ?


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27336185 - 06/05/21 12:24 PM (15 days, 1 hour ago)

mm kinda hard to describe since experience is a bit of a factor here on when they go for the final push. In the picture below is the closest i have to that moment. See how they caps are starting widen(some still round, some wider.) This is about the moment you're trying to hit so they'll fatten as they open and be a little more appealing.


Glad you're planning for a real grow. As long as you err on the side of flipping late, you'll have some harvest to eat. You just may not get a great print if they open their caps while squished.

If it helps you can post daily updates for an eye to help eval when to flip.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27336499 - 06/05/21 06:18 PM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

Yeah so mine are much smaller in the moment , the ones on your picture are like x10 from mine.

When I don’t get a good spore print I saw I could cut a little bit from the inside of a fresh shroom and put it on agar agar to clone it… don’t know what the difference would be but should work even when the shrooms are squished.? Am I Right !?

And yeah I will give you updates with pictures.

So at the Moment I will do nothing and wait for the right moment to harvest..


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27336507 - 06/05/21 06:26 PM (14 days, 19 hours ago)

It's not so much size as the shape that i'm trying to point out in the picture. Different genetics will give different size fruits.

Yea you're right. You can certainly try cloning. Long as the shroom isn't torn open, the interior tissue should be clean even if flat.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27336546 - 06/05/21 07:02 PM (14 days, 19 hours ago)

New pictures :



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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27336558 - 06/05/21 07:09 PM (14 days, 19 hours ago)

hmmm, alright see how some of those larger ones are beginning to turn blue/black? I think they're aborting or hitting maturity. When those smaller ones start approaching the size of the blue ones, flip. That's probably gonna be your best bet here i think.

When you flip, you can pick out those blue/black ones to dry aswell. Maybe pick a tan one to attempt your cloning if you like.

I'm sorry I can't deal more in certainties here for you. There's not really a perfect way to accomplish this, it's mostly a judgement thing just to make the best of this situation.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27336569 - 06/05/21 07:19 PM (14 days, 19 hours ago)

With flipping you mean I put the cake out of the plastic container flip the cake and put it back in the container ? The white stuff then is on the bottom!

Yeah no worries , I’m a little bit sad that it didn’t worked out with the first try. When I harvest I would put it in my refrigerator with full of water and try it again with this cake!


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27336634 - 06/05/21 08:34 PM (14 days, 17 hours ago)

You can use the same container or you could use a slightly larger container for the side pins like the other guy suggested earlier.

Do you know what it's made with? If it's verm and rice flour, you can dunk it overnight. If it's mixed with coir or something to be bulked out, they shouldn't soak overnight, just pour in some water to get soaked up or given a short soak time(i think it's like a minute not very long).


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27338816 - 06/07/21 01:58 PM (13 days, 24 minutes ago)

I really don’t know how they made the cake!

I out the cake in another container and flipped it. Today looking like that ->

How far away from harvesting?

Some new really white stuff going on now..



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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27338936 - 06/07/21 03:26 PM (12 days, 22 hours ago)

Cool, can see some of them plumping up. Probably another day, maybe 2 and you'll see the caps start to open up.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27340656 - 06/08/21 09:07 PM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

New update :

I will start the pf tek soon.
Didn’t find perlite in local stores.

Also wanna ask if normal rice flour would be okay .. in local stores we dont have Brown Rice flour…



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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27340674 - 06/08/21 09:18 PM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

I can't recall the exact reason, but i know brown is much prefered over white. If you got a blender you can grind brown rice into flour. I make mine for the same reason.

Perlite is in gardening sections.


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: LtLurker]
    #27342061 - 06/09/21 08:43 PM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

jo jo,
some question coming up, i buy the stuff step by step...

We need the following items

Vermiculite - Verm ( check )
Brown Rice Flour - BRF ( check )
4 oz or 8 oz mason jars ( check )
Hammer and Nail ( check )
Pressure Cooker or Steamer ( check )
SAB - Still Air Box ( check )
Fruiting Chamber - SGFC or Monotub ( check )
Alcohol Lamp, Torch, or lighter ( check )
Perlite ( check )
Tin Foil ( check )
Spray Bottle ( check )
Drill and a 1/4" Drill Bit or Soldering Iron (check)
70% ISO Alcohol ( check )
Soap & Water Spray Bottle ( don't get for what I need 2 spray bottle but check )
5000k to 6500k Light Bulb ( I will do this in a room with daylight so I think I don't need this )
24 hour timer 12 on 12 off timer ( same for this ? )
Spore Syringe or Liquid Culture or Liquid Inoculate ( I will start with spore syringe ) when this works I will switch to agar.


Now Picture updates :

I got a lot of new pins.
Some of the pins are now growing to shrooms.
One of them are fully open I harvest this one after I took the pictures.
And the biggest one is my fav candidate for the spores but I think it takes one or two more days to open for him..

Then I got a lot of them white cotton wool type stuff going on.
Is this a form of contamination ?


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Re: No clue what’s happening [Re: CryptoShroom]
    #27342091 - 06/09/21 09:00 PM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

You're right about light. Indirect sun is awesome.

Drill bits are for grain jar lids imo. For a pf jar, i'd just hit it with a moderate size nail. But a hole's a hole.

Spray bottles. You need 1 to mist with.
Think the second is to spray sab down(soap and water), some don't use it some do. I wipe down mine with iso from a spray bottle.

For printing you're gonna want that cap to be fully open and dropping black spores. You'll clearly see when that starts to happen.

Pics look mostly alright. Fuffy stuff is myc trying to recover the surface and it's a little aerial(add some fae). The odd color center kinda concerns me, maybe a light thing or sign of contam.


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