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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #26999181 - 10/23/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What is new to me is that gypsum/lime added after water was drained.
And it makes sense so gypsum/lime is not drained with a water.
I'm going to do it today that way and see if I will notice any difference.


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: bogdancev]
    #26999260 - 10/23/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Right on! 
Yeah that got me as well, but my reasoning behind soaking with rather than adding later was... If it's a ph buffer,wouldn't it be more effective through out the grain as the mycelium colonized? Regardless, I don't rinse my grain,other than a splash of water in the soak bucket to get out all the grain..but the sheet I drain off into leaves all the residual gypsum/lime in with the grain anyway..


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27002274 - 10/25/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I made my next batch with gypsum after soaking. There are some particles now in the jars. See how it goes.



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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: bogdancev]
    #27002394 - 10/25/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I made my next batch with gypsum after soaking. There are some particles now in the jars. See how it goes.







Best of luck!  I and many others have used just gypsum in grain soaks before with no noticeable benefit other than anti-clumping benefits.
  Their study more so pushed the equal ratio of...blahh...you read it!


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27002400 - 10/25/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanx!

I do not have lime and I'm not sure where to buy not "hydrated lime".
But according to them even just gypsum is beneficial.


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: bogdancev]
    #27002577 - 10/25/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)




I got my lime at the local farm supply store, right next to the hydrated lime of the same brand if any of this helps..


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27025924 - 11/07/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Update: it colonized 6 jars, for me they are different in color, gypsum ones are "dull" (not visible much on the photo), not as supper white as without. I also think mycelium is thinner that normally.



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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: bogdancev]
    #27026179 - 11/07/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm finding the same, have tried a couple different 1:1 ratios based on dry weight, after soak, 1g:1g, and 5g:5g. With the best results being the 5g ratio,however the untreated grains colonize thicker and only take a day or two more.

The real lightbulb moment was applying that ratio to my substrates!  Just starting to run a couple batches to play with this,but it definitely seemed that the 1%:1% lime/gypsum supplemented substrates ripped past my regular masters mix! 

However,that's also not reliable when I was using multiple different strains.  But the plain soaked grains (lion's mane,branched oyster) added to a 1:1( dry weight)master's mix definitely showed promise.


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27026890 - 11/07/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use gypsum when I'm using WBS to help break it up easier, but I always end up using a spoon to scoop it out anyways. Let me know if you notice any difference when you break it up. Nice test btw! :smile:


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: teknix]
    #27033584 - 11/11/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just spawned first jars with gypsum, I can attest that oats in jars break up extremely easy.


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: bogdancev]
    #27033742 - 11/11/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Just spawned first jars with gypsum, I can attest that oats in jars break up extremely easy.




I understand this aspect of added gypsum, that was never the test, me addressing this again is a bit redundant..but dinner's still cooking.

By all means,I'm glad you're experimenting and I'm not trying to be a dick, but these threads have become real convoluted,lately, of people not fully reading and integrating the information.  Rather,just adding their $.02 ,whether it pertains to the op or not.
Mind you I've only been registered for a few months, it's still noticeable.


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27033756 - 11/11/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'd highly recommend adding 1% dry weight lime AND gypsum to your substrate, I've had considerable growth difference with this ratio specifically.  All be it,my research is limited!

Maybe I'm doing it wrong,or whatever the reason, I'll keep running trials..but I have better mycelium growth on UNtreated grains..both rye and millet..I've found the lime/gypsum much more helpful inn the substrate.

Sorry I don't have pics, I use a shitty tablet for everything and the pictures don't do it justice.
Now if anyone has any constructive criticism more pertaining to the original study I'm all ears..eyes rather


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Re: Lime/gypsum for grain spawn? [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27331534 - 06/01/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)



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