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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#27328369 - 05/29/21 07:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: What people are getting side effects and potentially dying from these vaccine? I thought the told us it was safe wtf koods. I can only assume that anyone dying from a fucking vaccine must be one those freak things. Like this person is just so incredibly weak they just die from a vaccine. You know the type people that have like a reaction to fruit oils or grasses or something ridiculous and ends up in hospital. 
There are Idiosyncratic reactions. Statistically probable events when you vaccinate hundreds of millions of people, but still so incredibly rare that they are epidemiologically insignificant. Events that are so rare they only show up when your sample size is in the millions.
It’s a tiny risk that anyone should be willing to take. Vaccines are ending the pandemic in countries where most people have been vaccinated. The UK went from 1000+ deaths a day to less than 10 per day because most of the population has been vaccinated. In the US, the covid wards are now populated primarily with people who could have been vaccinated but decided not to.
I just find it amazing the same people who have been crying about how awful the lockdowns have been and all the rights being taken away by tyrannical governments are the same people who can’t make the sacrifice of a 1 in a million chance of dying to end this shit. About 25% of the people in this country are fucking selfish degenerate shitheads
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods] 3
#27328372 - 05/29/21 07:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I say 50% or more.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#27328443 - 05/29/21 08:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Long-term studies have not yet been observed. One of the main concerns with this gene therapy is ADE, a prolonged adverse effect. Which can occur from 6 months to 4 years. Cases of ADE are more often FATAL.
Although our fact checker friends have "debunked" this "conspiracy theory", they still left out vital information about how the vaccine indirectly causes this to happen. In other words, ADE is still on the table.
CDC releases new guidelines to reduce cycle threshold in PCR for vaccinated people only. I predicted this to happen over 10 months ago. It will significantly reduce case numbers by reducing the amount of times a sample is exponentially duplicated, reducing chance of detection. If this isn't more solid proof you are being duped, then I don't know what is. And any of my germ theory debunker friends out there know viruses aren't as described in the first place.
It will give the illusion that vaccines are working. Their excuse? To limit amount of false positives caused by vaccines, regardless this observation tool is not fit for diagnosing infections. Source is in the hyperlink. This article describes it. https://sentinelksmo.org/cdc-maximum-28-ct-for-post-vaccine-covid-pcr-tests/
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Morgenstern]
#27328453 - 05/29/21 08:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You expect me to listen to some person from scotsdale arizona?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Morgenstern]
#27328480 - 05/29/21 08:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess we are lucky the vaccines aren’t gene therapy.
No. ADE IS NOT ON THE TABLE. thousands of vaccinated people have been subsequently infected with the virus, and the severity of their illnesses is much lower than unvaccinated people.
As for the CDC guidance. That has nothing to do with whether a vaccinated person tests positive for the virus. Whatever Ct number the lab uses is the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated and a positive result is reported to the CDC. That guidance is the procedure for submitting samples for sequencing as part of variant surveillance. They don’t want samples that have too high a ct because it will be too difficult to properly do that sequencing
I honestly don’t know if people are just too dumb to understand what they are reading or they are intentionally misrepresenting these things.
Maybe you should steer clear of this topic of you can’t even comprehend the source materials that you provide. Morgenstern, did you lie about the CDC guidance, did you not understand what you were reading, or did you not take the time to confirm what you are posting is accurate?
According to the article you posted “COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough case investigation” – meaning people who tested positive after getting vaccinated – says PCR tests should be set at 28 CT or lower. The stated reason for the 28 CT maximum is to avoid false positives on people who have been vaccinated”
This a lie. You’re spreading lies. Nowhere in the cdc guidance does it say PCR tests should be set at 28 or lower. Nowhere does it state this reason.The CDC simply doesnt want to analyze samples that take more than 28 cycles. That doesn’t mean that tests that are positive after 28 cycles are not positive.
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Rationale and request for additional laboratory testing • CDC and state/local health departments are investigating COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases. • CDC would like to receive viral sequence data and respiratory specimens from COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases to assess the frequency of SARS-CoV-2 variant. • When a case is identified, the health department will contact the laboratory to determine if there are residual specimens from the positive test (i.e., respiratory specimen) and request that those be held for shipment to CDC. • The health department will also request the specimen ID numbers and the cycle threshold (Ct) value for positive RT-PCR results. • If your laboratory identifies a COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough case, please report it to your state health department so they can initiate the investigation with CDC.
Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing • Specimen selection o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28. o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by another testing modality may be sent.
And PCR is the standard technique used to detect viral infections of all kinds. Not only can it detect the presence of a virus through its genetic material, it can tell you how much there is.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27328576 - 05/29/21 10:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: I say 50% or more.
It's a fucking large number alright, and it's definitely a more endemic condition in this country than any of the dozens of others I've been to, IMO.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27328578 - 05/29/21 10:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who are you tellin"? I grew up in the south, lol!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27328584 - 05/29/21 10:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what exactly is like the politically correct acceptable thought on the position of having sex well contagious with covid-19? Is this very frowned upon even if the other person is consensual?
I guess it's definitely okay if both people have it or one person already had the vaccine but one person has and admits to the other person but they haven't any other person doesn't have it but consensually agrees is that okay or frowned upon in the community by those with politically correct opinions?
Hello today is the date of 5-29-2021. Today I am not talking about Demi Lovato. Today I am talking about consensual sex while infected with covid-19 and the politically correct posture of people's opinions regarding such matters and things of that nature.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: imachavel]
#27328590 - 05/29/21 10:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my state they could be brought up on endangerment charges and end up doing like 3-7 years depending if they got kids sick and whatever
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27328591 - 05/29/21 10:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27328592 - 05/29/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well that explains that
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Morgenstern]
#27328637 - 05/29/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Morgenstern said: ADE is still on the table.
For other people hydroxychloroquine and clorox injections are still on the table, or a flat earth or nvver having been to the moon.
Every virus under the sun, down to the most harmless cold virus, is injecting genetic material into cells for replication, and the uimmune system strikes back with an immune reactuion to exactly that virus.
That is more dangerous than what Pfizer or Moderna do, and its noty gene therapy or ADE inducing to gt the common cold.
Plus, so far the other strains are still identical enough in the spike protein to be affected by the vaccine. Should the virus break through that similarity, you get a flu vaccine situation where you approximate which strains will dominate and pre-empt those.
Getting Pfizer beats the crap out of getting Covid.
Of 170 million tested cases 3.5 million died. Of 1.84 BILLION vaccines given, how many died? Where are the 40 million dead from vaccines that would make vaccines as bad as Covid?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27328657 - 05/30/21 12:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, tell us that Rhoda!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27328681 - 05/30/21 12:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seatbelts and airbags might injure you in a crash. That's why I cut out my seatbelts and disabled my airbags.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27328690 - 05/30/21 12:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like to call them Hairbags and put an H on the word in every car I'm in lol.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27329091 - 05/30/21 10:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Antivaxxers...
I'm 400lbs and my doctor diagnosed me with obesity. I'm not having it, i'm getting a second opinion.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27329101 - 05/30/21 10:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: Antivaxxers...
I'm 400lbs and my doctor diagnosed me with obesity. I'm not having it, i'm getting a second opinion.
Pro vaxxers
"Those people not getting the vaccine are so selfish. They could easily reinfect the entire population. We could get it all over it again. Of course since we already got the vaccine we should not be able to get it again but statistics show that 95% of those already vaccinated will be prone to getting a brand new strain making the current vaccine only useful up to 6 months meaning the vaccine is kind of useless. Which is why a lot of people don't want to take the vaccine plus some people have died from side effects. But still! We had to take it! By our own choice I guess. Why don't they?!"

Idk both sides have a good point.
To each their own I guess.
I had the antibodies already but many people have thought my antibodies could be useless within a certain time period.
My idea about it is my antibodies from previous unknown infection protect me. If they don't protect me that is my cause. If you want to get the vaccine and retake it again every week that is surely up to you. Not stopping you. If that vaccine does not protect you its not my fault it did not work for you.
Anyway like I said to each their own
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27329103 - 05/30/21 10:45 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Seatbelts and airbags might injure you in a crash. That's why I cut out my seatbelts and disabled my airbags.
-morgenstern
Despite the dangers of flying it is so much safer then driving that you are 10,000 times more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport then ever die in a plane crash.
If people drove better car on car accidents would be so rare it would only be your fault if you crashed on your own into a wall or off a cliff and had no seatbelts or air bags.
Uhhh....
...... Not sure how this translates in an analogy to covid sense.......
But you know! Think about it!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: imachavel]
#27329146 - 05/30/21 11:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been lurking in this thread for awhile, but felt inclined to break the silence to report on a developing situation that is controversial to some.
Most of the gay clubs/bars in Chicago have switched in the past week to "VACCINATED ONLY" venues that have entirely done away with masks, social distancing, and capacity requirements. This is a change from their previous policy where there was NO DANCING, masks on when standing, and NO TALKING TO OTHER TABLES. They were pretty strict about this.
As far as I can tell, this isn't happening at clubs outside Boystown, and isn't happening in other cities.
Anyone entering must show ID and their vaccination card (or photo of it). The lines for these places stretch around the block, so it would seem there are plenty of people willing to patronize these "papers please" establishments.
Taken a step further, a major annual event "Pride in the Park" requires all attendees to use an app where they complete daily health surveys and provide proof of vaccination/identity ahead of time. The app is operated by CLEAR, the same people who operate a privatized version of expedited airport passenger screening.
I'm wondering how many other places will follow suit, and how effective this is considering the potential for falsification of vaccination records. And, the general considerations around checking records and operating an establishment exclusively for vaccinated people.
The move to "vaccinated only" establishments took place over the course of a few days as far as I can tell, with many establishments making the switch (and leaving only a couple places open for the unvaccinated, following the "old" rules).
I don't see this policy being talked about much in my online sources, but we all knew the day would come where "they" might start doing this.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: poke smot!]
#27329167 - 05/30/21 12:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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With a bit of luck we get a chip in our hand that must be updated with new vaccinations or you're shut out of social life.
Vaccinated =/= noninfective, so its not particularly smart of them.
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