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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27309455 - 05/15/21 07:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanx Faht...I had actually asked you a couple of questions in my last post regarding PE’s and FAE, and density of the fruits, mainly the stems. At your convenience my friend. Hope you have a nice weekend Brutha. I am going to get off my ass and go to work. That way I can get home early enough to go out on my bike. Very freeing cruising around on my Harley.


48 hours later! I love growing these guys...now if I could just get a wall to wall canopy;)


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27309496 - 05/15/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think I didn’t reply because I saw Ted and aka fielding the questions in teds thread.. yeah PE like FAE even more than most varieties, ime.  Ted actually has a nice thread about it in his sig.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947140#25947140. Well I guess it’s more how he allows for the FAE but he’s insinuating that they need it.  I think with any dense growing variety excessive FAE after pinning is good.  It really beefs them up. 

I started cracking the lids on my 16qt tubs for like the last 8+ hours of fruiting and they started looking a lot healthier.. some example pics:

When I didn’t crack the lids


When I did crack the lids


They both did well but the cracked lids’ one just looks healthier and retains its meatiness.. I feel like PE will start to get really squishy and start to kind of deteriorate near the end if you don’t give them that extra FAE.  I’ve got a theory that the fruits just pull so much water so quickly at the end and because there isn’t a spore explosion, we keep them around longer... well, all that water isn’t evaporated fast enough and it burst the cell walls inside the fruit body and that’s why they get REAL ugly at the end... if you drastically increase the FAE to evaporate that water off, the fruits retain their cell structure and stay meatier.  Examples of (allegedly) blown cell walls:


^^^ that’s just a theory though.. could just be that the fruits have run their course and the sub cuts off their nute supply Or the fruits have expanded as much as they’re going to and the water just sitting in the fruit makes them start to rot... either way, increased FAE seems to combat that problem in most cases

Here’s what I mean by cracking the lid


As far as canopies goes.. we don’t all always get canopies.. gotta remember a lot of ppl only post pics of their best tubs.. they could be doing 10 tubs and only post the 5 that are wall to wall.  Even with the same clone, my tubs aren’t always as full as others.  Here’s an example.. same culture:


There’s just a lot of factors that go into each tub.. I find time and time again that if I don’t get as many fruits in one tub as the other, the tub with fewer fruits has larger fruits and often does better weight-wise than the tub with more fruits

Cloning will get you the best/fastest results, ime.. a biopsy from an agar plate is still considered MS by a lot of ppl.  Clone a fruit and grow that out... while there may be multiple genetics in that single fruit, those genetics came together to produce that fruit and will work well with each other.. you can also keep cloning from that clone tub to try and narrow the genetics even more if you think you’re getting different phenos from that clone culture. 

A lot of these guys work really hard to hunt down a culture that is super consistent with wall to wall fruits almost every time.  Sometimes you gotta grow a lot of mush to find it and sometimes you get really lucky and it finds you right away.

As far as water for PE goes.. yes, they like lots of water but most of that water is added via the casing layer (at least how I do it). When I add the first .5” casing, I pretty much soak the casing layer after applying to just before it looks muddy.. then after a couple/few days when the surface starts to change to a lighter color, I start the everyday/every other day light mistings to keep the layer moist.  That initial soak is pretty heavy and most of that water is going to be absorbed by the substrate via gravity.  I repeat that process for the second layer which really loads that sub up with h2o.  When the second layer is colonized, I stop misting to encourage evaporation and pin formation

Ive only had to pour water down the sides on a few PE subs for varying reason.. either because I had lots of tubs going and one or two were neglected a bit unintentionally or I didn’t add enough water to the coir from the get go etc.  or because half the sub fruited before the other half and that side was shrunken due to fruits pulling that sides water and I wanted to even them out for a second flush.  But any that I stuck to the casing regimen I described had enough water to put out a decent/great first flush.

Faht


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27311083 - 05/16/21 11:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hi you two!  I'm so glad I found this thread, I'm learning a lot from you two, especially from the detail you both offer in your comments :thumbup:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27313071 - 05/17/21 10:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

OMG Faht! I can’t thank you enough for that. I mean you went all out on explaining this to me. You answered my questions and then some. It was like you were reading my mind. Thank you so much. Your the best Sensei ever! To add to your theory. Every time my tubs are on their second flush or the third flush and I only have a couple of fruits sprouting up here and there that is when they are the most healthy. They are tall and they are solid as a rock. That was how I got that 112 g of fruit. That fruit was all by it’s self. And I just pulled another one out at 73 grams. And I have several more coming up in the rear as we speak. Thanks again brother.

This was the last picture I took. Before I harvested it.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27313841 - 05/18/21 02:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nice looking tub.. you let it mature more before pulling, right? haha.

Yeah even when I do crack the lids for 8+ hours, if the pin set is really dense, I’ll still see the center of the crop have that “deterioration” because of how encased the center is and there’s not a whole lot of evaporation happening there.. (I picked the fruits in the open spot earlier because they were looking rough)


So it makes sense that you’re seeing those extra healthy fruits in the later flushes when they’re surrounded by lots of air. :thumbup:

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27314793 - 05/19/21 08:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I do let them mature. I do not let the caps open up fully though. Once the veil breaks I let them go a couple of days and then pull them.

Here is a couple of stragglers I have left over. They popped up at different times. These are the tubs that I got the huge fruits out of. 112 g, 76 g, 58 g, 42 g. They are always in an environment like in these pictures.
Thank you again for that extensive reply. That will definitely be archived for many more future references. You’re a good man Faht. That is very selfless of you to go above and beyond and spend that much time, thought, and effort to relay that detailed amount of information. So thank you. My gratitude is difficult to convey.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27314807 - 05/19/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:  any time.

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27319602 - 05/23/21 05:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Good morning Faht. So I’m just letting my tubs sit for now and see if I get anymore flushes from the PE and my Golden Mammoth tug got so destroyed after the first harvest I broke the substrate up to the point of starting over from the beginning. I shredded it up fine again. Have you ever done that? Right now the entire top is fully colonized again. I’m looking forward to knowing when no more fruits are going to come up from the penis envy tubs that way I can toss them out and I can start over and  just work with two tubs. One PE and one lizard king. Or 4 tubs  2 and 2. This way I will be able to focus more specifically and accurately on the details of individual fruits, grows, and the characteristics of a specific variety. Like I said to you in the past, when I was first learning I ordered so many varieties and had so many tubs going on at once that  I couldn’t pay attention too closely on everything. I had some with Dino soil, some with CVG, some had coffee, some didn’t, I had some cased, some not, some were cased with Dino soil some were cased with CVG. Some were done with popcorn some were done with oats, some were PF cakes shredded and everyone of them were of different varieties. So as you would probably agree that is too much information to keep track of especially if you’re new.
Well it’s time to put the air conditioner in my window. It’s going to be like 90° here in Connecticut. Hope you having a great weekend Fahtster. Talk to you soon brother be well
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27320343 - 05/23/21 06:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I have not broken up a sub after first flush.. seems like it’s just a waste of energy growing back together instead of just leaving it be.  I’ve flipped tubs before with mixed results.  The second flushes of PE usually take a couple weeks to fruit again, ime.  Unless the first flush was meh, I don’t even try for more flushes with PE... unless I don’t need the space, I might rehydrate and try for more but it’s usually better to just have more spawn ready so that when the first flush is done, I just replace the sub/tub with a new one since they take pretty close to the same time to pin again and if the first flush was bangin, I don’t expect much from the second flush.

Yeah that’s a lot of shit to keep track of :lol:  but I get it, gotta try shit out to see what works.  :thumbup:

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27326258 - 05/28/21 06:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I have to agree with you on the second flush of the PEs. It takes forever for them to produce a second flush and when they do it’s not very many, however that’s usually when I get my biggins!!!! I have three tubs over here. 2 of them were from March 12!!! I’m pretty amazed that they are not contaminated after sitting all this time. Are you? Anyway in all three of those tubs I only have maybe six fruits growing per tub. So it really isn’t worth it. One of the penis envy tubs every fruit that pops up turns into a regular shaped mushroom. It does not look like P is empty at all. They only get about 4 inches tall and have stems only as thick as an average of mushroom. I don’t know what causes this. We had this conversation before when I thought a different variety had snuck into my tub. This is different, they all look like a regular variety of mushroom. If you remember I was whining about small fruit and what a pain in the ass it was to clean them. It was of my golden mammoth variety. I had said they should be called golden miniatures instead of golden mammoth! Lol. Well here is a picture of one of the fruits. On the second flush they always come out bigger and now it is appropriately called a mammoth! Lol hope you have a great memorial day weekend Faht! You’re a good man and I enjoyed talking with you.

Now that’s a mammoth! This individual fruit is six times bigger than any of the 3 ounces I got from the first flush.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27327356 - 05/28/21 11:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That’s a nice lookin fruit.. picture perfect. :thumbup: 

Myc is pretty contam resistant if it’s clean from the start and sounds like you did well pasteurizing your casing. 

Clone a PE looking fruit and just run those and you should just get PE lookin fruits

Have a nice holiday, Ern!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27329179 - 05/30/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx bud. This is actually Golden Mammoth not PE. That’s what I was saying. All the fruits from the first flush of my 64 qt tub were all so small and skinny.  This one fruit is from the second flush. Here are some of the other fruits I pulled out of the second flush and the rest of them are also much bigger. The tub isn’t ready to be harvested yet and although it’s not full, the fruits are much bigger.

Much better! It also makes it much easier to clean


I’m looking forward to growing out these cultures. These are cultures from clones from some ginormous Lizard kings! I love these LK’s. I also just got me some APES! I’ve been wanting to grow them for a while but haven’t been able to find any from a reliable source till now.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27332573 - 06/02/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: LtLurker]
    #27332917 - 06/02/21 05:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I spend so long navigating


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: LtLurker]
    #27359807 - 06/23/21 08:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey LT! Long time no see. I have been so busy that I have not been able to even get on here for a minute. That thumbs up meme or whatever the hell you call it cracked me up. Hope all is well with you. Maybe you can answer this question for me. I’m working out in my customers backyard and I came across these mushrooms growing in the grass and they look like Liberty caps but I’m not sure. So, we’re better to post and find out then here. Let me know what you think. Anybody else can chime in as well… Of course! Hope everybody is doing fine and dandy happy and healthy both physically and spiritually and has made it through this pandemic unscathed.


@ street priced: because him from an older generation and didn’t pay attention to much when the computer age was exploding I have such a hard time navigating many websites and platforms. This particular one drove me insane. I couldn’t find anything, I would try the search engine over and over, I’d finally find something that I was looking for and then I would not know how to get back to it. Then I had guys breaking my balls telling me I was a cop because I asked if somebody was from my area when all I was doing was making conversation. Yes I had a lot of trouble when I first got here. However if it wasn’t for the people on here I would not be where I am today. If you thumb through my entire post you can just hear my frustration but you can also see the end result. I did not give up. Point being is don’t you either. One day it will all click and you’ll see it yourself as I did… What the hell was I whining about and making such a big deal for this shit is easy! A third grader could grow these beautiful things.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27359819 - 06/23/21 09:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Ern!  You should post those in the identification forum.  They look like some sort of pan but I wouldn’t know if they’re the active ones.. usually actives bruise blue and don’t take my word at all :lol:  I know 0 about ID

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27359824 - 06/23/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yea same, I'm not an ID guy, you wanna go to the id forum with those.

I know man. Lotta people get overwhelmed trying to understand everything at once. Glad you stuck it out and and crawled through.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27359982 - 06/23/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Fahtster!  How have you been brother!? Nice to see you and hear from you. As I said I’ve been so busy with work and personal life I don’t even have time to check my email.

Thanks for the suggestion. I will post those there if I can find it! LOL. Hence the title of my thread! Trouble navigating! Ha ha ha ha


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27359990 - 06/23/21 10:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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  couldn't find anything, I would try the search engine over and over, I’d finally find something that I was looking for and then I would not know how to get back to it.





Try opening your search results in a new tab.

1st go to the search page and type whatever you want to search for.

Then instead of clicking on link, you can do one of the following:

* right click the link and click open in new tab
* Scroll click (using this scroll wheel on the mouse, push down)
* hold don't control and click

Now each link should be open in a new tab.
Read the links that you want and then either close them and go back to the search engine tab or keep them all open


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Big_Dub]
    #27360074 - 06/23/21 12:08 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Did ya find it?  Mushroom hunting and identification

Should be on the main forum list :thumbup:


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