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How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? 1
#27319449 - 05/23/21 12:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts? Idk if this is a really sensitive topic that I shouldnt bring up because none of us are doing anything wrong in the first place. The fact I even have to be worried about something like if I want to grow mushrooms for myself or discuss mycology online is total bullshit and I hope it changes soon.
Im also curious if there has ever been any high profile busts from the site? Is using a VPN and a throw away email with no IDing info and pics being stripped of their metadata enough to keep my real life ID safe? Or should I constantly be using tails and TOR, PGP encrypting every PM and never using my home wifi for connection to the site? How paranoid should I be on here? If I was getting nervous at any point whats the best way to flush my shroomery profile or is that evidence forever?
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27319467 - 05/23/21 01:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts?
I don't believe there's ever been a bust as a direct result of posting on the shroomery. I'm sure there have been some mushroom lab busts from users acting stupid as a result of their bad behavior in real life situations, but I don't think the site itself directly resulted in a user getting busted. Somebody could correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly confident in saying it's unheard of.
If you're just doing a personal grow or even growing a few ounces, I'd put the chances of a bust at 0%. Just don't make it convenient for them to bust you. Law enforcement is generally lazy. They're not going to bust you unless you hand yourself over on a silver platter, like literally post your address, the weight of your crop, your face and finger prints, and a hand-written note saying "please bust me", and even then I'd say your chances are pretty good. Just use common sense.
I'm assuming you live in a country that has similar laws (and law enforcement) to the US.
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#27323326 - 05/26/21 01:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think the government cares at all about people who have drugs on the internet. They also aren't very interested in mushrooms because there's not much money in them and they don't cause people serious problems like hard drugs do.
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#27323340 - 05/26/21 01:34 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts?
Most pigs and their associates can barely operate a computer.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: stubb]
#27323887 - 05/26/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suspect that the forum is one of many websites and social media platforms that are either glanced at for big / easy busts or have analytical software combing the data. I doubt there is a DEA agent watching the Shroomery day and night but that isn't out of the question. This is a big and popular site and it's a goldmine for information. If someone is already under investigation then checking the Shroomery, Nook, Growery, etc, for incriminating evidence would be a no-brainer.
One should never freely give information and posting info to the internet should be strictly weighed and limited.
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#27330269 - 05/31/21 11:24 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean honestly if I was onsome sort of drug task force. Would be prowling these forums, making post asking questions and all that. Then trying to get someone to send me a liquid culture or some sort of drugs. Cause itβs busts like that, that make the paper which leads to promotions.
I imagine if you donβt try to sell or trade anything blatantly illegal your risk is pretty low.
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#27331235 - 06/01/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm guessing every single DEA chemist has either browsed or posted on these forums.
The doorkickers probably don't. There's that old saying: A cop only has one crevice in their brain, and that's from their cap.
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#27331287 - 06/01/21 10:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would be concerned about having history and or an active cookie on your device if you got busted. Cops are consistently confiscating devices these days and while they may not do the forensics themselves someone else will be doing it in most cases. For example you get arrested for dui/oui/dwi, they will take your phone and send it off so someone can look and see if you have pictures from earlier that show you drinking, they will check ur fb to establish a party lifestyle. If they open the browser and see you are logged into shroomery and/or have drug photos they could use that to get a warrant for your residence and use your posts in court as evidence by tying your account to you through your device.
Vpn is helpful if they went to your isp to see dns logs but incognito mode and full deletion of pictures is probably more important.
Also don't use fingerprint or facial unlock, supreme court said cops can unlock your phone by these methods even if you are in custody and nonconsenting. They cannot force you to give up a passcode.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27334347 - 06/03/21 08:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they arenβt going to be trying to gain access to your phone.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Crispy224]
#27334771 - 06/04/21 05:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crispy224 said: You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they arenβt going to be trying to gain access to your phone.
You are 100% wrong, if you get arrested by a competent police department they will take your phone and ask a judge for a warrant based on probable cause that the phone contains evidence related to the crime. The supreme court has found that they do not need a warrant to seize your phone and hold it while they attempt to attain a warrant due to the potential of evidence destruction. They can hold it for at least several days during which time they are allowed to take steps to preserve the evidence such as disabling automatic locking and encryption and placing the phone in Faraday cages to prevent remote wiping. I know a few people who have gotten DUI and they all had their phone taken and legally searched. A member here in the uk was involved in a fatal car accident and had his phone seized, posted here that he was worried about drug evidence on there and that was his last post.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27335034 - 06/04/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crispy224 said: You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they arenβt going to be trying to gain access to your phone.
You are 100% wrong, if you get arrested by a competent police department they will take your phone and ask a judge for a warrant based on probable cause that the phone contains evidence related to the crime. The supreme court has found that they do not need a warrant to seize your phone and hold it while they attempt to attain a warrant due to the potential of evidence destruction. They can hold it for at least several days during which time they are allowed to take steps to preserve the evidence such as disabling automatic locking and encryption and placing the phone in Faraday cages to prevent remote wiping. I know a few people who have gotten DUI and they all had their phone taken and legally searched. A member here in the uk was involved in a fatal car accident and had his phone seized, posted here that he was worried about drug evidence on there and that was his last post.
Well that's fucking eerie lmao
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anon said Well that's fucking eerie lmao
Yeah unfortunately not funny, dude is probably in jail.
People should also realize that police are going after phones and judges are issuing warrants to search phones for suspicion of distracted driving when someone is involved in an auto accident.
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#27368369 - 06/29/21 10:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden
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paradoxlost said: Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden
Did Snowden mention Shroomery, or anything that would affect Shroomery users?
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27376628 - 07/06/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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paradoxlost said: Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden
Did Snowden mention Shroomery, or anything that would affect Shroomery users?
Snowden described an infrastructure that hoovers everything up electronic, one must assume that includes shroomery. Artificial inteliegence and machine learning can make sense of these vast unstructured data oceans, creating presumeded profiles and networks. It is without doubt that a 3 letter agency has profiles on every digital and real person with confidence levels, connections and online/real aliases.
None of it is admissible but it may be used to direct attention.
It is beyond acceptable that we have had 3 party changes and still the patriot act is renewed.
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#27376799 - 07/06/21 07:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: Snowden described an infrastructure that hoovers everything up electronic, one must assume that includes shroomery. Artificial inteliegence and machine learning can make sense of these vast unstructured data oceans, creating presumeded profiles and networks. It is without doubt that a 3 letter agency has profiles on every digital and real person with confidence levels, connections and online/real aliases.
None of it is admissible but it may be used to direct attention.
It is beyond acceptable that we have had 3 party changes and still the patriot act is renewed.
I agree, though Snowden didn't say anything about SSL being cracked. Hoovering up all that metadata might be able to tell them which people are using Shroomery, but it wouldn't tell them your username or what you were doing on the site. All that metadata might not tell them even that much because a lot of people use more secure DNS settings by default and a lot of sites are on the same IP address, so the metadata wouldn't necessarily give them anything useful.
I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows.
I think growing psilocybin mushrooms will be legalized before anyone gets busted for posting on Shroomery.
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#27376841 - 07/06/21 07:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Two points;
I am not talking about metadata, i am talking about intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles.
The dpr/sr history which may have put shroomery on a permanent watch
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#27376849 - 07/06/21 07:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows.
Best advice I've ever heard: Buy yourself a big safe, and put your stash in the dresser under the safe.
Might have been here, might have been on reddit, some young college entrepreneur was asking about getting a "portable safe" for their stash/cash. Why would you do something like that? It's a several hundred dollar sign that says "steal me".
Just go ahead and assume they have all the information about you. They know you name, they know where you live, they know your favorite flavor of ice cream, and they know what you're gonna do next month because their predictive AI is literally better than your decision making ability.
Now realize that they know that about everyone, and that until they have a reason to, they will not look at you. There is anonymity in a crowd.
Same thing with people that move to a small town for the "privacy". Like seriously? Small towns are the least private places you could ever imagine. Nobody has shit to do but gossip, and if nobody knows you, you're the most popular topic of gossip in the whole damn town. Whereas in a city, I walk down the street, and nobody knows me. Nobody recognizes me. Hell, most of my neighbors don't even recognize me until I say hi, and I've had most of my neighbors over for dinner.
People are too self-absorbed to realize that everyone else is just as self-absorbed as they are.
Side benefit: want people to think you're a super cool and outgoing guy with tons of friends and an active social life? Remember their name. That's all you gotta do. Pretty sure that's how Bill Clinton became president: remembering everybody's name.
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#27390387 - 07/16/21 01:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles
I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them? Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.
*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27390435 - 07/16/21 02:27 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's huge marketing potential in identifying and tracking people across devices.
Think about personalized ads: they work way better than regular advertising, because they advertise things that you might actually buy. Right now, personalized ads are only completely reliable on your device, but what if you're using a public device? Or a friend's device? Ideally, you'd want to be able to identify a user as soon as you possibly can, so that you can load the proper advertising profile to make them more likely to spend money.
And you can do this entirely based on how a user interacts with their device, too: distinctive mouse movements, typing styles and cadence, etc.
I know there are lots of highly paid people building algorithms that can do this. Matter of fact, I think google once said it could identify a user within like, five minutes of them connecting to the internet?
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Kryptos]
#27390489 - 07/16/21 03:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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personalized ads
That's not unstructured data, though. Ad personalization relies on basically two things: keeping track of the same user across requests, and keeping track of which pages that user visits. That's extremely structured.
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And you can do this entirely based on how a user interacts with their device, too: distinctive mouse movements, typing styles and cadence, etc.
To believe that, one would have to believe a) a single user does those things consistently enough, and b) different users do them differently enough. I don't necessarily buy it even for gait recognition in CCTV.
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I know there are lots of highly paid people building algorithms that can do this.
I wish I could get paid to design algorithms that it's difficult to tell if they're working correctly or not. That's a great scam those engineers have going. I'm honestly jealous. (If you had a way to correctly identify people by their behavior alone you would not need an algorithm to do it, so if your algorithm says two requests are from the same user, how can you tell that's really the case?)
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I think google once said it could identify a user within like, five minutes of them connecting to the internet?
Maybe. I would have to see the context. Either way, Google is an advertising company. It's in their best interest to convince their customers (people wishing to advertise products or services) that they can track even anonymous users even if they can't. It's not like anyone is in any position to verify their claims.
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I was just using it as one example. Perhaps it was a bad example, I'm not very computer-savvy.
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And you can do this entirely based on how a user interacts with their device, too: distinctive mouse movements, typing styles and cadence, etc.
To believe that, one would have to believe a) a single user does those things consistently enough, and b) different users do them differently enough. I don't necessarily buy it even for gait recognition in CCTV.
This, I think, is believable. It's like handwriting, but with mice.
The problem with gait recognition is that gait has too many variables attached: Different shoes, different gait. Different clothes, different gait.
You interact with your mouse pretty directly. Your basic hand motions aren't going to change significantly, unless you start wearing varied and decently heavy hand/arm jewelry on a daily basis.
Anecdotally, I can identify several of my coworkers based on the sound of the keys while they type. Most people have a pretty distinctive typing cadence.
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It's like handwriting, but with mice.
Handwriting is about instructing your fingers to move in specific patterns in order to draw repeating symbols. Mouse operation is subject to much less regularity, unless you perform the exact same action dozens of times. For example, clicking every checkbox in a dialog and then clicking OK. It's actually the opposite, gait is much more likely to be consistent than mouse usage.
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Anecdotally, I can identify several of my coworkers based on the sound of the keys while they type. Most people have a pretty distinctive typing cadence.
Typing is more similar to handwriting than mouse usage is, because you learn to type words. You're not thinking with each keystroke how to move your fingers from each key to the next. That's why certain common words can be faster to type than other shorter, more unusual words. Yeah, it may be possible to distinguish a group of ten or so people by their typing, but a thousand or more? I would need to see evidence to that effect.
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People grow and sell weed, shrooms and much more on Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp and probably a lot of other places too. Because LEO doesn't give a shit about it. Those people get caught from dumb shit they do off-line anyway.
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This has been the law enforcement holy grail, they've been working towards this since at least 9/11 and given how much easier it's become, it's quite reasonable to presume they have something like this. Probably very limited in scope though.
Clearview is a techtard example of how simple this can be. Natural language processing is harder than images, but quite attainable if they were able to buy the expertise.
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bagga said: This has been the law enforcement holy grail, they've been working towards this since at least 9/11 and given how much easier it's become, it's quite reasonable to presume they have something like this. Probably very limited in scope though.
Sorry, but what has become easier? What are we talking about specifically? Extracting structured data from unstructured data? What makes you think that has gotten any easier?
Look, I get that people are doing stuff with ML nowadays that seem like magic, and that to a layperson it can feel as if there's algorithms to do anything. I mean, if an algorithm can do one one thing you previously thought impossible, surely anything you think is impossible is within reach, right? ML is applicable and useful in only specific sets of circumstances, and even then there's often non-AI solutions that end up being more practical, for various reasons. AI is currently in its summer phase, where it's receiving a lot of funding and interest. Once the limitations and capabilities of ML become well-understood, and when unreasonable expectations of improvements fail to pan out, as they inevitably do, we'll swing back to winter as has happened several times before.
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I don't work in law enforcement obviously, but I do work in AI. What was science fiction 10 years ago, a script kiddy and $10 worth of cloud credits can do today.
There has been an several orders of magnitude improvement in the ability to aggregate and interpret unstructured data. Ingesting, indexing, and building relationship graphs on petabytes of near real time data is table stakes. AI makes it possible to organize and interpret - build profiles.
Tooling is out there, and there are companies like Palantir do this as guns for hire.
The problem is not a technical one. China has no problems monitoring all internet activity in near real time and building social scores for a billion people. US cyber capability easily surpasses that.
The question is who is motivated to do what with the tech available. That's why I say scope is likely to be limited in scope - likely to national priorities like terrorism and cartels.
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I don't know. Like I said before, how would you measure the effectiveness of such a system? You can manually scrutinize reported positives to see if they're true or false, but you can't possibly know how many false negatives you're missing, because if you could you wouldn't need the system to begin with. So if I was in the business of scamming government agencies I'd do something very rudimentary (e.g. a keyword search) that gave a few very definite positives and as few false positives as possible, and then talk it up as much as I thought I could get away with. To be sure, that still requires a ton of compute, but it's nothing very sophisticated in terms of software.
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That's why I say scope is likely to be limited in scope - likely to national priorities like terrorism and cartels.
Oh, in that case I'm convinced. There's definitely no more terrorism or illegal drug trafficking.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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Yea federal agencies aren't going to hold meetings and spend resources busting somebody's PF cakes. Granted if they were to receive a reliable tip on a grow, sure they'll bust somebody.
The site does a very, very good job on keeping illicit trade out of the site. Because the quickest way to land people in jail and get the site taken down is people peddling their shit on this site. An information site becomes a darknet (clearnet really) site when people use it to sell drugs. This is not the case and that is why shroomery has been going on for 24 years solid. Time is better spent taking down meth labs, not some dorky 19 year old's PF cakes.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#27423729 - 08/11/21 06:15 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Forums are under 0 lea surveillance
They don't give a shit
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RenegadeMycologist] 2
#27423766 - 08/11/21 07:06 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The nsa can't even curtail all the child/human trafficking and domestic terror threats. They give a fuck about the shroomery. People post drugs for sale on Facebook. People post their grow op on Facebook. They have lower hanging fruits of they ever wanted
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27428770 - 08/15/21 05:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crispy224 said: You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they arenβt going to be trying to gain access to your phone.
You are 100% wrong, if you get arrested by a competent police department they will take your phone and ask a judge for a warrant based on probable cause that the phone contains evidence related to the crime. The supreme court has found that they do not need a warrant to seize your phone and hold it while they attempt to attain a warrant due to the potential of evidence destruction. They can hold it for at least several days during which time they are allowed to take steps to preserve the evidence such as disabling automatic locking and encryption and placing the phone in Faraday cages to prevent remote wiping. I know a few people who have gotten DUI and they all had their phone taken and legally searched. A member here in the uk was involved in a fatal car accident and had his phone seized, posted here that he was worried about drug evidence on there and that was his last post.
Just FYI they cannot compel you to give them your password, this is a violation of the 5th amendment right to not self incriminate. They can compel you to unlock your phone with a fingerprint or facial recognition. Because of this, iPhones require you to enter a ten digit password to get back into your phone if you turn it off. This passcode is nearly impossible for a police department to hack. Unless you are involved in some serious serious shit, they will likely not waste their time and money trying to get into the phone and apple is pretty good about not complying with requests to break into a phone for law enforcement.
If you have an iPhone and you turn it off before the police seize it, you probably wonβt have any problem with it being searched.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27428774 - 08/15/21 06:04 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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anon said Well that's fucking eerie lmao
Yeah unfortunately not funny, dude is probably in jail.
People should also realize that police are going after phones and judges are issuing warrants to search phones for suspicion of distracted driving when someone is involved in an auto accident.
At least in the US, if they are looking for evidence of distracted driving then that search is going to be limited to only recent activity. They arenβt going to be able to scroll through everything
Like I said, if you have a phone that requires a password to unlock, a warrant will be meaningless as they will not be able to unlock it.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: koods]
#27428778 - 08/15/21 06:16 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said ...you have an iPhone and you turn it off before the police seize it, you probably wonβt have any problem with it being searched.
Wrong. They have the been shown to have bought the software across the country.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbxxxd/unlock-iphone-ios11-graykey-grayshift-police
Remember they only need a warrant if they plan to use it in court. Gathering your contacts and texts for social network analysis and tracking purposes can be done.
Funny how you pick my posts to dispute koods, are you now propolice state or just trying to flame me?
Either way I plan to take this to our ask a lawyer thread and will post the response.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27428791 - 08/15/21 06:34 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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With all due respect SBC, that aricle is 3 and a half years old. My ios is currently 14.something waay past ios 11.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27428802 - 08/15/21 06:50 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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A 10 digit passcode, the maximum allowed, requires the Graykey an average of 4629 days to unlock
Lol
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: koods]
#27428822 - 08/15/21 07:10 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sugar would look a lot less silly if he read what he posted
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: koods]
#27428826 - 08/15/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is if you turn it off, you going to risk getting shot by a cop to try and turn your phone off?
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: The Thing]
#27428945 - 08/15/21 09:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Sugar would look a lot less silly if he read what he posted 
Still butthurt about being proven wrong about a. muscara I see.
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Technology only accelerates in capability and spread of use.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27428953 - 08/15/21 09:30 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: That is if you turn it off, you going to risk getting shot by a cop to try and turn your phone off?
Most people do it as soon as they see the lights go on if you're waiting til the cop is walking up or at your window you're an idiot
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: bodhisatta]
#27429039 - 08/15/21 10:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: That is if you turn it off, you going to risk getting shot by a cop to try and turn your phone off?
Most people do it as soon as they see the lights go on if you're waiting til the cop is walking up or at your window you're an idiot
Why are you turning off your cell phone, I thought LEO doesn't give a shit about it?
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My experience has been that making movements in response to lights going on behind you will be seen as an attempt to hide something and will result in questioning and or a search. Worse case they will be coming to the window guns drawn, i mean how do they know you aren't rustling around with a firearm to shoot them in the face
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 1
#27435098 - 08/19/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agents are everywhere attempting to save us from ourselves. At least they have good taste in Anime characters.
https://little-witch-academia.fandom.com/wiki/Sucy_Manbavaran
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27435243 - 08/19/21 09:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Considering that the infamous silk road darkweb drug website and its creator were traced back to the shroomery, i would say leo are definately keeping a finger on the pulse of this place. As long as you got nothing to hide though, no big deal i guess.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: The Thing]
#27435291 - 08/19/21 10:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Thing said: As long as you got nothing to hide though, no big deal i guess.
Well firstly thats just not true, 2ndly thats something a cop would say, 3rdly thats just not true.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Shroomintune]
#27435608 - 08/20/21 06:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://little-witch-academia.fandom.com/wiki/Sucy_Manbavaran

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27497651 - 10/08/21 05:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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If its on the internet assume the 3 lettered agencies have had their paws on it at some point and time. Ppl get busted and their internet activities used against them in court as evidence all the time.
If youre that paranoid about it happening, use cloaking devices regularly or dont post.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27497655 - 10/08/21 05:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The FBI paid hackers to show them how to get into iphones that are locked. I dont agree with it 100% but if youre a terrorist god fuckin luck.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27497801 - 10/08/21 07:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Remember the old saying "If you got 5 its 5-0." lol
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#27511170 - 10/20/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone who thinks that LE is montoring these forums actively is pretty silly. Or super algorithms for combing the entirety of a forums posts and determine which ones have data that MIGHT be credible? Not yet
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: theRealrollforever] 1
#27512050 - 10/21/21 04:47 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess im silly then.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: theRealrollforever]
#27512146 - 10/21/21 07:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: Anyone who thinks that LE is montoring these forums actively is pretty silly. Or super algorithms for combing the entirety of a forums posts and determine which ones have data that MIGHT be credible? Not yet
Rrf i work in data analytics, ai and machine learning. We were mashing up data sources to find tax cheats 15 years ago. State tax returns, federal tax returns, w2s, w4s, customs roles, auction records, llcs, vehicle and boat registrations, credit card records, bank transfers, etc. Caught a bunch of non filers but also caught rich people bringing in art and even John Kerry parking his yaught in rode island.
Like moore's law the technology has exponentially gotten better. If you go to apply for something like the tsa clear program they have a file that includes things like love letters from when your rc shipment got seized along with suspected aliases and group memberships.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27512299 - 10/21/21 10:25 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's hardly impressive. It's all information that was already entered somewhere with the right associations. Correlating information and giving meaning to meaningless data are not anywhere near the same level of complexity.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27512365 - 10/21/21 11:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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InsultingLizard said: That's hardly impressive. It's all information that was already entered somewhere with the right associations. Correlating information and giving meaning to meaningless data are not anywhere near the same level of complexity.
15 years ago it was impressive as these systems didn't talk to each other, mostly old school hierarchical mainframe databases, they didn't even have same data types and formats and some of them did not require ssn. Building a profile and determining the missing pieces was hardly trivial. In that case it was necessary to have high enough accuracy to support audit and prosecution for tax evasion, although most including Kerry just pay up.
Now a days it is easier to tie data together using ip addresses, mac addresses, cell ein, debit/cc, toll passes, facial recognition, proliferation of govt, commercial and personal security cameras, license plate scanners and your phone always scanning for wifi networks. Add in highly parallel processing and data storage systems, ai and ml and the ability to profile the 300+ million usa residents is clearly possible. The chinese do it for 10 times that.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27513221 - 10/22/21 05:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: Anyone who thinks that LE is montoring these forums actively is pretty silly. Or super algorithms for combing the entirety of a forums posts and determine which ones have data that MIGHT be credible? Not yet
Rrf i work in data analytics, ai and machine learning. We were mashing up data sources to find tax cheats 15 years ago. State tax returns, federal tax returns, w2s, w4s, customs roles, auction records, llcs, vehicle and boat registrations, credit card records, bank transfers, etc. Caught a bunch of non filers but also caught rich people bringing in art and even John Kerry parking his yaught in rode island.
Like moore's law the technology has exponentially gotten better. If you go to apply for something like the tsa clear program they have a file that includes things like love letters from when your rc shipment got seized along with suspected aliases and group memberships.
I'm thinking not much of this ever gets acted upon. They always say too much data and not enough analysis. Probably with algorithmic programs there is a level of analysis, but there are too many results, and only causes action when the targets are more specific. At any rate, nothing seems to happen here.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Brian Jones]
#27513292 - 10/22/21 07:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: Anyone who thinks that LE is montoring these forums actively is pretty silly. Or super algorithms for combing the entirety of a forums posts and determine which ones have data that MIGHT be credible? Not yet
Rrf i work in data analytics, ai and machine learning. We were mashing up data sources to find tax cheats 15 years ago. State tax returns, federal tax returns, w2s, w4s, customs roles, auction records, llcs, vehicle and boat registrations, credit card records, bank transfers, etc. Caught a bunch of non filers but also caught rich people bringing in art and even John Kerry parking his yaught in rode island.
Like moore's law the technology has exponentially gotten better. If you go to apply for something like the tsa clear program they have a file that includes things like love letters from when your rc shipment got seized along with suspected aliases and group memberships.
I'm thinking not much of this ever gets acted upon. They always say too much data and not enough analysis. Probably with algorithmic programs there is a level of analysis, but there are too many results, and only causes action when the targets are more specific. At any rate, nothing seems to happen here.
I would agree that it doesn't get acted on overtly but I doubt any active member would get past a government clearance background check to work with or for one of the three letter agencies.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27513348 - 10/22/21 08:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now a days it is easier to tie data together using ip addresses, mac addresses, cell ein, debit/cc, toll passes, facial recognition, proliferation of govt, commercial and personal security cameras, license plate scanners and your phone always scanning for wifi networks.
So are we now assuming that governments have direct access to all computers everywhere? Like, MAC addresses? The only one who can see your network interface's MAC address is the computer on the other end of the wire (or every other computer on the segment, if you're connected to a layer 2 switch). The only ones who can see that your phone is looking for Wi-Fi is whatever AP is within about 20 meters.
And, again, all this is meaningless data. Even if you could track the street movements of absolutely everyone, what could be deduced from that?
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Sugabearcrisp said: I would agree that it doesn't get acted on overtly but I doubt any active member would get past a government clearance background check to work with or for one of the three letter agencies.
When I applied for a security clearance they did a 7 year investigation and gave me a stack of documents about myself an inch thick - even though I was a moderator here the whole time, it didn't mention mushrooms. It did say that I hacked into the DMV, which wasn't true.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Brian Jones]
#27514629 - 10/23/21 03:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27523647 - 10/30/21 05:34 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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If itβs being monitored itβs done so using computer algorithms, as is the entire web.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: BuiltToLast]
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So you're saying it's automated so in 50 years the government will forget how to read the manual and not know how to track anything
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: paradoxlost]
#27523756 - 10/30/21 07:29 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are forums on the Shroomery that you can only view if you are logged in as a member and this prevents bots from indexing the contents of those forums
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: paradoxlost]
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Absolutely. But right now apple is trying to do it with their phones in private hands with the searching the devices for child pornography every time thereβs a connection to apples servers for updates and what have you. Granted, Iβm 100% against child porn, exploitation or harm. But someone did show how easily the parameters could be changed, by say a rogue government agent.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: BuiltToLast]
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They arenβt doing it, after they got tons of pushback
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I worked for over 20 years in the wireless service provider space engineering the core Radio Access Network. I recommend the following channel to answer all of your mobile device security concerns and how to bring surveillance to a dead stop. Check out "Rob Braxman Tech" on YT. I have reviewed his claims and am very confident that he knows what he is talking about as I found nothing in conflict with what I know of the core, access edge, and end user mobile device security. If you follow consistent security practices and utilize OS builds developed specifically to avoid surveillance, the police will be left with nothing. Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device. Loading an operating system that is tailored to prevent surveillance and the use of mobile devices specifically built with anti surveillance firmware will leave all alphabet agencies with nothing and will do a true wipe of the phone remotely or triggered by attempts to circumvent such as entering the passphrase incorrectly after x number of attempts. The problem with these phones is that they are not forgiving and will unrecoverably brick the phone if you forget your passphrase.
With these phones you must use a VPN and secure messaging. Never forget that your voice calls can and will be intercepted if you are a target for surveillance through the CALEA appliances that are required by law and integrated into all voice, wireless, and ISP networks. Assume anything not encrypted end to end will be prone to successful surveillance methods. I can reveal that all agencies at the state level share and have access to each others surveillance abilities. I have confirmed that state AG's technical investigations teams all are connected with each other as I have verified this when migrating their network Cisco ASA and SonicWall platforms. Within the configurations they label their connections to other state and federal agencies and also label each surveillance session. I thought they would use a case number to label each surveillance session, but they included the case number and the name of the surveillance target. I cannot name the state AG's office I am referring to for obvious reasons and will only say it is one of the largest cities in the country.
Some of their clever surveillance methods I observed in their office: Parking meters Pole mounted transformers
They actively sweep all wireless communications to include WiFi.
Rob Braxman explains the abilities that the NSA has had for some time now and that lawful intercept firmware is now built into all wireless routers. These routers all transparently mesh with adjacent neighbor routers forming a dense mesh that tracks all internet connected devices within your home and they can associate mobile devices to these networks to track location data even when you are not actively engaged in a user session. Notice that modern cell phones do not have a removeable battery and that is because even when you have powered you phone off, it is still accessible by alphabet agencies and can be "woken up" without you knowing that the camera and mic can be woken up and active, even when your phone is powered down via WiFi and/or cellular connection to the cell tower. This cannot be done and is circumvented on secure phones not running IOS or Android. Samsung, Google, Apple, Zte, Huawei, etc are all compromised. Phones even when turned off must be placed in a Faraday cage or box if you are super paranoid or suspect you are a target of surveillance.
I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:
If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.
Do not forget that now all internet traffic to include source/destination IP address and the payload of every packet is collected by the NSA. Although you may not be a target now, if you ever become a target, they have a history on location data and everything you have done on the internet. I use a VPN and TOR along with GPG. I have not broken down an purchased uncompromised mobile devices and WiFi routers yet, but it is on the list.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
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RedRH said: Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.
How would they do that?
I did a Google search and couldn't find any evidence that the data is still present after a phone is wiped.
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Rob Braxman explains the abilities that the NSA has had for some time now and that lawful intercept firmware is now built into all wireless routers.
Which video talks about this?
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Notice that modern cell phones do not have a removeable battery and that is because even when you have powered you phone off, it is still accessible by alphabet agencies and can be "woken up" without you knowing that the camera and mic can be woken up and active, even when your phone is powered down via WiFi and/or cellular connection to the cell tower.
I suppose, but it would need to be told to wake up at a certain time, because it would be obvious if it was communicating when it was off by monitoring with a spectrum analyzer or RF field strength meter. It would also drain the battery a lot of it was receiving radio signals when it was off.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
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I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:
If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.
Complete bullshit. Both human bodies and walls are mostly transparent to radio. I'll believe someone can construct a makeshift radar for humans out of commercial access points when I see it. This is like saying you could count the hotdogs on your plate by screaming at it. Actually that sounds much more plausible.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:
If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.
Complete bullshit. Both human bodies and walls are mostly transparent to radio. I'll believe someone can construct a makeshift radar for humans out of commercial access points when I see it. This is like saying you could count the hotdogs on your plate by screaming at it. Actually that sounds much more plausible.
I think he is saying that your wireless routers know you are home because they see the MAC address of your cell phone appear. Whether they transmit this data to anyone I doubt however - unless it's an Apple or Google branded router. Linksys or any other router manufacturer has no incentive to share which devices it can see with anyone.
I also doubt that most routers transparently mesh with all the other devices around them. There is no reason for them to do that.
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I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:
If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.
Complete bullshit. Both human bodies and walls are mostly transparent to radio. I'll believe someone can construct a makeshift radar for humans out of commercial access points when I see it. This is like saying you could count the hotdogs on your plate by screaming at it. Actually that sounds much more plausible.
I have a degree in physics. Radio waves are the R in radar and you can most certainly see things like birds and humans with radar. Likewise you can see weather systems with radar and they are mostly water just like the human body. Also you only need a small amount of scatter back radiation to see objects.
If you have any further doubt as to the veracity of this claim by RedRH here is a video from the AP about researchers at MIT using wifi to see people through walls
You guys might be brilliant mycologist but you are not physicist or technologists.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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If you're a scientist then you should understand the importance of reading the source papers instead of relying on second-hand reports in media: https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/see-through-walls-with-wifi/ TL;DR: they're indeed using Wi-Fi, but likely only to get around FCC regulations. They're not using a COTS AP or client transciever, they built a device that scans the environment and listens for the signal bounces. I.e. it's a radar that operates in the Wi-Fi band. The novel part is that they're using ML to filter-out bounces from walls and other static objects.
A radar and an antenna* are not the same thing. It's like saying that because you can etch metal with a laser you should be able to do it with a candle, since they're both just visible light.
EDIT: Obviously I'm referring to omnidirectional antennas as used almost universally in Wi-Fi. Of course the emitters of radar beams are antennas too.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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I don't think the original comment suggested RADAR, although they did say reflected signal changes, they might have been talking about responses from devices rather than RF signal reflection.
It's entirely possible theoretically to locate a device to a location in a building based on multiple RSSI readings. It's difficult though due to multipath interference.
If all devices mesh and report RSS, it becomes easier (multiple signal strength readings to fingerprint a location) but computationally more difficult.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Guy1980]
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I was actually assuming some members of the mod team may even be LEO. I mean Enlil he's cool he's here helps people and he works in the law world right, not a mod sure whatever but I think you can follow my logos. I keep seeing lots of medical worker bros around, super mad respect for that. I remember once I was shroomin alone once when I was super new to dosing and I panicked and called for a paramedic to check my vitals at one point, and the responder I talked to was so cool Ill never forget me telling him how I was feeling and him replying "damn, sounds like you got some good shit dude."
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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A radar and an antenna* are not the same thing. It's like saying that because you can etch metal with a laser you should be able to do it with a candle, since they're both just visible light.
EDIT: Obviously I'm referring to omnidirectional antennas as used almost universally in Wi-Fi. Of course the emitters of radar beams are antennas too.
I was dumbing it down for you. You can use omnidirectional antena when you have more than one physically separated. You can argue pedentic points all you want but if MIT is publishing a capability you can bet darpa has a more advanced capability.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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I was dumbing it down for you.
You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe that.
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You can use omnidirectional antena when you have more than one physically separated.
Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.
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You can argue pedentic points all you want
The distinction between a COTS AP and a specially designed radio emitter is pedantic to you?
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but if MIT is publishing a capability you can bet darpa has a more advanced capability.
Pure speculation. Was that video all you had to back up your claim?
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It's entirely possible theoretically to locate a device to a location in a building based on multiple RSSI readings. It's difficult though due to multipath interference.
They're talking about detecting the location of a person inside a building. Triangulation of an active radio source is relatively easy to do; you just need to keep adding measurements from different positions until you nail it down. That's how wardriving apps work. You can't do the same for a person, for obvious reasons, and I'm arguing that impossible to do it just using COTS hardware.
Yes, you can see living beings in radar, but radar uses a fairly strong, shaped beam of radio. Radars are designed to cover the furthest distance possible and to spot the smallest objects possible, regardless of how much power needs to be pumped into the antenna. A Wi-Fi transceiver is designed to cover the widest area that's possible in its power budget. It just needs to produce a signal that will be visible to its peer, and it specifically should not be able to see its own reflected signal, since then it's just adding to the interference it needs to filter out. Since Wi-Fi passes through walls but is slightly attenuated, it follows that solid objects are mostly transparent to it, so that means only a small fraction of the already wimpy signal gets reflected off a body back to the source. If the argument is that it's possible to pick this out of the noise floor in a typical environment, which is already full of extraneous Wi-Fi noise, using just off-the-shelf equipment and just software modifications, then I won't accept it until I see it demonstrated.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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May sound absurd but Id like to point out it would be very unconstitutional and illegal for law enforcenent or anyone really to just scan buildings for people, for lack of better words. Furthermore, you know about children, right? What youre implying would mean law enforcement potentially viewing naked children illegally, there is no investigation that makes that ok. I imagine even in CP investigations those guys wish they could rip their own eyes out. The only type of group that could do something like this would have to be a white hat group of advanced tech criminals trying to aid the alphabet boys. And on that note, such an organization could only be funded via black budget because of the illegal nature of their business and then because of that, none of anything they find would be valid for court of law. Evidence obtained illegally is void.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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Ignoring the tinfoil-hat-worthy hypothesis of radar-capable APs, what article of the constitution would be violated by using a device such as the one MIT is experimenting with? The operator would just be sitting outside, sending EM radiation at a building and recording what comes back. That's no different from, say, taking a flash photograph. Besides, LEO in the US are already allowed to look through uncovered windows without a warrant, and anything they see by that method is admissible as evidence (at least to get an actual warrant). IMO that's much more invasive than merely trying to determine how many people are in a building and where they are.
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Well, it would be possible to see at best the silhouettes of naked children. Probably more like a blobby shape that could only be distinguished from an adult by its relative size.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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Just use your mind's eye and play the scenes youve drawn here in your head a little bit. You're saying there are LEOs inadvertently watching minors on the toilet wiping their ass. Or is that a heroin kingpin creating a little deadly drug pack to hand out to a customer!? Better zoom in and enhance!
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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Sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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InsultingLizard said: Sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at.
Ok, maybe you guys know something that I don't, but what I'm saying is that nobody can just 3D scan buildings, almost especially law enforcement because it's not legal. At the very least: Voyeurism
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How do you know it's not legal, though? Do you merely think it's illegal, or do know of any precedent that makes it illegal? I for one don't know of any laws that would make using radar to surveil people illegal. It's just too novel. Maybe there are some laws that would imply it's illegal if interpreted the right way, but it would need to be tested in a court.
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It's unlawful and unconstitutional. Law enforcement exists to keep you safe yknow. HERESY I know but like murderers, bank robbers, terrorists, child molesters, all those guys suck. I like cops way more than any of those guys. Ok yall now throw feces and rotten fruit at me.
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So it's illegal because it's illegal?
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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Hahaha yeah I guess you got me.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Kryptos]
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Alan Rockefeller said: I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows.
Best advice I've ever heard: Buy yourself a big safe, and put your stash in the dresser under the safe.
Might have been here, might have been on reddit, some young college entrepreneur was asking about getting a "portable safe" for their stash/cash. Why would you do something like that? It's a several hundred dollar sign that says "steal me".
Just go ahead and assume they have all the information about you. They know you name, they know where you live, they know your favorite flavor of ice cream, and they know what you're gonna do next month because their predictive AI is literally better than your decision making ability.
Now realize that they know that about everyone, and that until they have a reason to, they will not look at you. There is anonymity in a crowd.
Same thing with people that move to a small town for the "privacy". Like seriously? Small towns are the least private places you could ever imagine. Nobody has shit to do but gossip, and if nobody knows you, you're the most popular topic of gossip in the whole damn town. Whereas in a city, I walk down the street, and nobody knows me. Nobody recognizes me. Hell, most of my neighbors don't even recognize me until I say hi, and I've had most of my neighbors over for dinner.
People are too self-absorbed to realize that everyone else is just as self-absorbed as they are.
Side benefit: want people to think you're a super cool and outgoing guy with tons of friends and an active social life? Remember their name. That's all you gotta do. Pretty sure that's how Bill Clinton became president: remembering everybody's name.
A cousin of mine Has schizophrenia rly bad and he moved to a small town His neighbor was exFBI & tapped his phone JUst Because She Could & was listening to all his incoming/outgoing calls
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Ofcourse theres cops on here
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
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Guy1980 said: I don't think the original comment suggested RADAR, although they did say reflected signal changes, they might have been talking about responses from devices rather than RF signal reflection.
It's entirely possible theoretically to locate a device to a location in a building based on multiple RSSI readings. It's difficult though due to multipath interference.
They're talking about detecting the location of a person inside a building. Triangulation of an active radio source is relatively easy to do; you just need to keep adding measurements from different positions until you nail it down. That's how wardriving apps work. You can't do the same for a person, for obvious reasons, and I'm arguing that impossible to do it just using COTS hardware.
A Wi-Fi transceiver is designed to cover the widest area that's possible in its power budget. It just needs to produce a signal that will be visible to its peer, and it specifically should not be able to see its own reflected signal, since then it's just adding to the interference it needs to filter out. Since Wi-Fi passes through walls but is slightly attenuated, it follows that solid objects are mostly transparent to it, so that means only a small fraction of the already wimpy signal gets reflected off a body back to the source.
I totally agree with you on the RADAR bit (not possible using COTS and omni-directional antennae), but Wi-Fi does significantly reflect off building structure and other objects. The reflected signals create multipath interference, hence the use of MIMO equipment to overcome that.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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kreg said: Ok, maybe you guys know something that I don't, but what I'm saying is that nobody can just 3D scan buildings, almost especially law enforcement because it's not legal. At the very least: Voyeurism
Kyllo v. USA is more relevant, as it explicitly found internal thermal imaging of a home to be a search, and protected by the 4'th Amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
But ya can't seriously make the argument that cops won't do illegal things just because they are illegal. Cops use illegal methods and techniques ALL THE TIME, so long as they can get away with it. And even when they get caught, they get away with no personal punishment due to qualified immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity, so there's no incentive to not use illegal methods. They get promoted by clearing cases.
So great, now they use their unofficial Iphone-mounted FLIR imager to find a hothouse they want to investigate, or buy some wifi hack tool from a shady foreign company, https://knowtechie.com/local-police-departments-in-all-50-states-use-hacking-tool-to-unlock-smartphones/ then make up some BS excuse to enter, like "I saw a door was ajar and determined a burglary in progress" or whatever.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Shroomintune]
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Yup that's how it's gonna go down. No sarcasm here either. This is baaaad but whaddya gonna do? Cops are looking for new toys like fuckin kids on a schoolyard
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: theRealrollforever]
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Im just not worried. I cant be. Ive done everything in my power to protect myself, worrying isnt going to do shit. Worrying doesnt solve anything anywhere. Ill worry a little when Veggie makes a news post saying all the TCs, and mike & ythan got rounded up and the sites about to go down like if there really are leos here, I guess they kinda are looking out for us and not the contrast or like this place would not be where it is today. Lots of TC folk constantly posting pounds of dicks have been here over 10 years
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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Start with person of interest then use flir to identify the grow house then trash pull, then warrant based on evidence from trash pull which may or may not be planted. If questioned in court cop says CI or anonymous tip led to trash pull. 4th amendment violated but you are still going to jail.
If the trash pull comes up empty it could be a traffic stop instead where the cops word and expert opinion will be used to justify why you were pulled over and why they have cause for a search.
Flir and stingray devices have been deployed in the field. Social media is being leveraged as well. Raman spectrometry is being deployed at customs and can detect molecular signatures of drugs without opening the package.
We can pretend to not be concerned because shroomery is just not a priority, but that is not worrying aboug the bear in the room because it has plenty eat atm.
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yeah man, theyre coming to get all of us, right now. Everybody, quick, flush all your shit and delete all your posts!
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
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This isn't about worrying or flushing your shit, it is about whether or not the site is under survialence and I say there is no doubt a copy being stored by the feds somewhere.
It is all fun and games but the drug pendulium could swing the other way and we find ourselves in a different situation. Probably before your time but the feds busted a lot of people based on simply buying grow equipment or seeds under operation Green Merchant.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27616495 - 01/12/22 05:57 PM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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Truth. All it takes is a change in administration and an Attorney General with a hardon, or a Congress Critter who finds his kid's grow closet, to bring the hammer down. Ref: Operation Pipe Dreams. John Ashcroft wanted to hump Tommy Chong, so he fabricated evidence and created a crime where one didn't even exist.
"Nice Dreams had a policy in place for refusing to sell bongs to states where the statute was being enforced. Federal agents, disguised as head-shop owners, pressured Paris Chong to sell them his pipes and deliver them through the mail to a fictitious shop in the Pittsburgh suburb of Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania. When Paris persistently refused, agents went to the place of business in person and ordered a massive quantity of out of stock merchandise. The merchandise was crafted but not picked up and sat idle in the warehouse as federal agents again pressured Paris to ship it. To get the merchandise out of his warehouse, DEA agents became employees and shipped the merchandise."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pipe_Dreams
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/operation-pipe-dream-10-y_b_2745740
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Shroomintune]
#27616524 - 01/12/22 06:29 PM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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Im still reading through the green merchant deal. Yeah shit man sounds awful but I have instinctively went into this paranoid about this exact shit. For weeks the guys running my local hydro shop thought I was a theif because I was so afraid to speak up and ask honest questions. Took me months to see they had a banner for their HEMP FARM just upstate.. There would be a cop sitting across the street OFTEN and Id freak thinking about something like green merchant. Haha cop never bothered me. Maybe its where I am. Its actually not even legal here, but as the shop guys reemed into my head ; "they just have more important shit to worry about" The cop across the street apparently was mostly watching for drunk drivers and people speeding which was totally reasonable it was a shitty road somedays.. shop guy said he has cops that come in the store all the time, he says "not all cops are douchebags". I once bought pot off a guy who said he grew it, more likely his friend that he met behind the building before I pulled in did, but regardless shit was fresh and STANK, guy tells me "oh my best buddy whos a cop is coming over" were hanging out in his work place while they are open making sales (my dealer guy was the cashier running the place for the shift, small package store yknow) cop comes in wer all talking joking throwing piss talking about getting haggard drunk. The entire time I cant help but notice my fucking pocket is on fire and my nose is bleeding. The cop did not say jack shit, I didnt mention shit either but I easily could have arrested that day and many others and somehow it hasnt happened. >inb4 what race are you that factor makes zero difference here in this equation surprisingly enough in fact the folk i see buying the most and biggest stuff at the hydro shop typically black.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
#27616941 - 01/13/22 05:14 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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kreg said: Im still reading through the green merchant deal. Yeah shit man sounds awful but I have instinctively went into this paranoid about this exact shit. For weeks the guys running my local hydro shop thought I was a theif because I was so afraid to speak up and ask honest questions. Took me months to see they had a banner for their HEMP FARM just upstate.. There would be a cop sitting across the street OFTEN and Id freak thinking about something like green merchant. Haha cop never bothered me. Maybe its where I am. Its actually not even legal here, but as the shop guys reemed into my head ; "they just have more important shit to worry about" The cop across the street apparently was mostly watching for drunk drivers and people speeding which was totally reasonable it was a shitty road somedays.. shop guy said he has cops that come in the store all the time, he says "not all cops are douchebags". I once bought pot off a guy who said he grew it, more likely his friend that he met behind the building before I pulled in did, but regardless shit was fresh and STANK, guy tells me "oh my best buddy whos a cop is coming over" were hanging out in his work place while they are open making sales (my dealer guy was the cashier running the place for the shift, small package store yknow) cop comes in wer all talking joking throwing piss talking about getting haggard drunk. The entire time I cant help but notice my fucking pocket is on fire and my nose is bleeding. The cop did not say jack shit, I didnt mention shit either but I easily could have arrested that day and many others and somehow it hasnt happened. >inb4 what race are you that factor makes zero difference here in this equation surprisingly enough in fact the folk i see buying the most and biggest stuff at the hydro shop typically black.
Ur paranoia is justified I have a friend who was big into Glass art & the feds hasseled him abt it to the point where he doesnt touch anything glass that isnt a legit Vase So if they will go ater ARTISTS thry will go after everyone They sent him some phony glass for him to fix once Nothing added up abt where it came, what to fix They just said Do it (But all artists Know that A,BC and the spooks only cared abt X,Y, X) He put it on the back burner & they disappeared almost as fast as they appeared The address came from MT but he was sitting pretty in MD. YOU do the math on that ππ£π
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27616944 - 01/13/22 05:18 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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They gotta shop in TX where they can mimic ppls packages (right down to stamps/tape they use) The CIA uses it to f w terrorists/drug dealers (its mostly to f w wholesalers) But occasionally the feds use it to mess w randoms
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27618231 - 01/14/22 08:30 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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RedRH said: Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.
How would they do that?
Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason.
I did a Google search and couldn't find any evidence that the data is still present after a phone is wiped.
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Rob Braxman explains the abilities that the NSA has had for some time now and that lawful intercept firmware is now built into all wireless routers.
Which video talks about this?
It should be under his videos regarding WiFi router security. Evidence of meshed WiFi is easy to verify: If you are on Xfinity or Cox, they allow you to use any Xfinity or Cox connected WiFi network. Since you are a customer, their servers know where your devices are in the network. The NSA has the ability to track targets by their account associated devices on any WiFi network in the US. They have access to ALL provider data networks through CALEA devices that give them monitoring and intercept capabilities. Review Rob's videos. They are scary.
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Notice that modern cell phones do not have a removeable battery and that is because even when you have powered you phone off, it is still accessible by alphabet agencies and can be "woken up" without you knowing that the camera and mic can be woken up and active, even when your phone is powered down via WiFi and/or cellular connection to the cell tower.
I suppose, but it would need to be told to wake up at a certain time, because it would be obvious if it was communicating when it was off by monitoring with a spectrum analyzer or RF field strength meter. It would also drain the battery a lot of it was receiving radio signals when it was off.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/nsa-remotely-turn-on-phones,news-18854.html
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27618237 - 01/14/22 08:37 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:
If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.
Complete bullshit. Both human bodies and walls are mostly transparent to radio. I'll believe someone can construct a makeshift radar for humans out of commercial access points when I see it. This is like saying you could count the hotdogs on your plate by screaming at it. Actually that sounds much more plausible.
Here is just ONE of multiple sources:
https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/28/9625636/rf-capture-mit-wifi-tracking-surveillance-technology
If the tech exists, would it not be rational and likely it is being used? You can bet it is.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27618264 - 01/14/22 08:57 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles
I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them? Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.
*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.
Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:
Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.
I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.
Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
#27618394 - 01/14/22 10:49 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles
I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them? Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.
*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.
Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:
Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.
I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.
Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.
Interesting abt the buildings How many NDAs have they made you sign?
Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint
Banks use it
Which banks I cant say
NDAs & such ππ¨π€
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
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Interesting abt the buildings How many NDAs have they made you sign?
Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint
Banks use it
Ok this girl's kinda hot
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
#27618452 - 01/14/22 11:36 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Interesting abt the buildings How many NDAs have they made you sign?
Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint
Banks use it
Ok this girl's kinda hot
That's uh, that's a weird thing to say lol xD
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27618472 - 01/14/22 11:52 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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what? am I wrong?  Hahahaha dont listen to me Im gay and pscyhoschizo from eating so many APEs
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH] 1
#27620339 - 01/15/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 12 days ago) |
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RedRH said: Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.
How would they do that?
Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason.
That used to be true 20 years ago, but with modern hard drives the bits are so tiny that wiping them once is enough to make them unreadable, even to the NSA.
This technology used a TEM, which is very expensive and would be a very time consuming process and wouldn't work on solid state drives.
"Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using an electron microscope are negligible. Even speculating on the possible recovery of an old drive, there is no likelihood that any data would be recoverable from the drive. ... The fallacy that data can be forensically recovered using an electron microscope or related means needs to be put to rest."
-- https://www.sans.org/blog/overwriting-hard-drive-data/
See also https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/26132/is-data-remanence-a-myth
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27620370 - 01/15/22 09:57 PM (2 years, 12 days ago) |
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I just got the intel back..... Ythan and Geokills are cops you guise
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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RedRH said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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RedRH said: Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.
How would they do that?
Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason.
That used to be true 20 years ago, but with modern hard drives the bits are so tiny that wiping them once is enough to make them unreadable, even to the NSA.
This technology used a TEM, which is very expensive and would be a very time consuming process and wouldn't work on solid state drives.
"Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using an electron microscope are negligible. Even speculating on the possible recovery of an old drive, there is no likelihood that any data would be recoverable from the drive. ... The fallacy that data can be forensically recovered using an electron microscope or related means needs to be put to rest."
-- https://www.sans.org/blog/overwriting-hard-drive-data/
See also https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/26132/is-data-remanence-a-myth
The fact the DoD 5220.22-M three pass standard exists is probably the root of all these myths.
I also think that a true wipe, whether 1, 10 or 32 times, is not something most people know how to do and they may think a quick format or reinstall of the os is a wipe. In those cases when a file is deleted they are fairly easily recovered. Plenty of info out there but I will provide a link for those who might want to wipe stuff.
https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-wipe-your-hard-drive
Wiping your android phone is much harder with a standard factory reset not doing much.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/the-best-way-to-completely-wipe-your-android-device/
Apple has a built in utility to erase data but I can't tell if it actually does an wipe.
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/erase-iphone-iph7a2a9399b/ios
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https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner ^ This works wonders !
Thats how they recorved the data off of Adam lanzas HD even though he took an axe to it.
they recovered the packets of his comp connections thru his ISP records then mirrored what they could from the HD after splicing together the pieces Ofcourse if he was looking at kiddie porn then thry already Were watching him, just not in the capacity/urgency that they should have....
And kreg ,all LEO has to do is submit a request for info logs for "TARGET PERSON " & by law they have to comply so in a really backwards mixed up kinda way they are.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
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And all I have to do is be a good christian and share all the golden info about gods gardening with people if and when I get incarcerated. Because you can lock up people but you cant lock up an idea.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
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Sugabearcrisp said: intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles
I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them? Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.
*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.
Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:
Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.
I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.
Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.
Interesting abt the buildings How many NDAs have they made you sign?
Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint
Banks use it
Which banks I cant say
NDAs & such ππ¨π€
It uses the same properties as Invisible ink
I have signed literally hundreds over my career on every classified and even unclas projects both in and out of the DoD. I can freely post about what has already been made public and officially commented on, without fear of ruffling feathers to this point, although I can say that all DoD classified projects that are made public due to leaks, cannot be confirmed or denied unless they are officially declassified.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
#27625265 - 01/20/22 01:29 AM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Mine was 74 pgs long
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27627052 - 01/21/22 11:55 AM (2 years, 6 days ago) |
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A little birdy just informed me it's actually not much of a joke on this site if you think a member is law enforcement. Even if you are just goofing around saying dumb shit about someone randomly on OTD for instance. Like it is something that should be reported immediately. So there is that
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
#27627141 - 01/21/22 01:24 PM (2 years, 6 days ago) |
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Well theyre now watching CT420. So theres that.
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