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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27613286 - 01/09/22 06:23 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27613288 - 01/09/22 06:25 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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Sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at.



Ok, maybe you guys know something that I don't, but what I'm saying is that nobody can just 3D scan buildings, almost especially law enforcement because it's not legal. At the very least: Voyeurism


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg] * 1
    #27613367 - 01/09/22 07:13 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

How do you know it's not legal, though? Do you merely think it's illegal, or do know of any precedent that makes it illegal? I for one don't know of any laws that would make using radar to surveil people illegal. It's just too novel. Maybe there are some laws that would imply it's illegal if interpreted the right way, but it would need to be tested in a court.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27613371 - 01/09/22 07:16 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

It's unlawful and unconstitutional. Law enforcement exists to keep you safe yknow. HERESY I know but like murderers, bank robbers, terrorists, child molesters, all those guys suck. I like cops way more than any of those guys. Ok yall now throw feces and rotten fruit at me.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg] * 2
    #27613485 - 01/09/22 09:20 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

So it's illegal because it's illegal?


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27613501 - 01/09/22 09:34 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Hahaha yeah I guess you got me.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27613810 - 01/10/22 07:09 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows.




Best advice I've ever heard: Buy yourself a big safe, and put your stash in the dresser under the safe.

Might have been here, might have been on reddit, some young college entrepreneur was asking about getting a "portable safe" for their stash/cash. Why would you do something like that? It's a several hundred dollar sign that says "steal me".

Just go ahead and assume they have all the information about you. They know you name, they know where you live, they know your favorite flavor of ice cream, and they know what you're gonna do next month because their predictive AI is literally better than your decision making ability.

Now realize that they know that about everyone, and that until they have a reason to, they will not look at you. There is anonymity in a crowd.

Same thing with people that move to a small town for the "privacy". Like seriously? Small towns are the least private places you could ever imagine. Nobody has shit to do but gossip, and if nobody knows you, you're the most popular topic of gossip in the whole damn town. Whereas in a city, I walk down the street, and nobody knows me. Nobody recognizes me. Hell, most of my neighbors don't even recognize me until I say hi, and I've had most of my neighbors over for dinner.

People are too self-absorbed to realize that everyone else is just as self-absorbed as they are.

Side benefit: want people to think you're a super cool and outgoing guy with tons of friends and an active social life? Remember their name. That's all you gotta do. Pretty sure that's how Bill Clinton became president: remembering everybody's name.




A cousin of mine Has schizophrenia rly bad and he moved to a small town
His neighbor was exFBI & tapped his phone JUst Because She Could & was listening to all his incoming/outgoing calls

If u hear a clicking sound when u pick up ur phone Its tapped


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #27613883 - 01/10/22 08:55 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Ofcourse theres cops on here

Who do u think has me blocked ?? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27613939 - 01/10/22 10:09 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't think the original comment suggested RADAR, although they did say reflected signal changes, they might have been talking about responses from devices rather than RF signal reflection.

It's entirely possible theoretically to locate a device to a location in a building based on multiple RSSI readings.  It's difficult though due to multipath interference.



They're talking about detecting the location of a person inside a building. Triangulation of an active radio source is relatively easy to do; you just need to keep adding measurements from different positions until you nail it down. That's how wardriving apps work. You can't do the same for a person, for obvious reasons, and I'm arguing that impossible to do it just using COTS hardware.

A Wi-Fi transceiver is designed to cover the widest area that's possible in its power budget. It just needs to produce a signal that will be visible to its peer, and it specifically should not be able to see its own reflected signal, since then it's just adding to the interference it needs to filter out. Since Wi-Fi passes through walls but is slightly attenuated, it follows that solid objects are mostly transparent to it, so that means only a small fraction of the already wimpy signal gets reflected off a body back to the source.




I totally agree with you on the RADAR bit (not possible using COTS and omni-directional antennae), but Wi-Fi does significantly reflect off building structure and other objects.  The reflected signals create multipath interference, hence the use of MIMO equipment to overcome that.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27614178 - 01/10/22 02:12 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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kreg said:
Ok, maybe you guys know something that I don't, but what I'm saying is that nobody can just 3D scan buildings, almost especially law enforcement because it's not legal. At the very least: Voyeurism




Kyllo v. USA is more relevant, as it explicitly found internal thermal imaging of a home to be a search, and protected by the 4'th Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States

But ya can't seriously make the argument that cops won't do illegal things just because they are illegal.  Cops use illegal methods and techniques ALL THE TIME, so long as they can get away with it.  And even when they get caught, they get away with no personal punishment due to qualified immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity, so there's no incentive to not use illegal methods.  They get promoted by clearing cases.

So great, now they use their unofficial Iphone-mounted FLIR imager to find a hothouse they want to investigate, or buy some wifi hack tool from a shady foreign company, https://knowtechie.com/local-police-departments-in-all-50-states-use-hacking-tool-to-unlock-smartphones/ then make up some BS excuse to enter, like "I saw a door was ajar and determined a burglary in progress" or whatever.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Shroomintune]
    #27616057 - 01/12/22 11:00 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Yup that's how it's gonna go down.  No sarcasm here either.  This is baaaad but whaddya gonna do?  Cops are looking for new toys like fuckin kids on a schoolyard


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27616108 - 01/12/22 11:47 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Im just not worried. I cant be. Ive done everything in my power to protect myself, worrying isnt going to do shit. Worrying doesnt solve anything anywhere. Ill worry a little when Veggie makes a news post saying all the TCs, and mike & ythan got rounded up and the sites about to go down :shrug: like if there really are leos here, I guess they kinda are looking out for us and not the contrast or like this place would not be where it is today. Lots of TC folk constantly posting pounds of dicks have been here over 10 years


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27616113 - 01/12/22 11:50 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Start with person of interest then use flir to identify the grow house then trash pull, then warrant based on evidence from trash pull which may or may not be planted. If questioned in court cop says CI or anonymous tip led to trash pull. 4th amendment violated but you are still going to jail.

If the trash pull comes up empty it could be a traffic stop instead where the cops word and expert opinion will be used to justify why you were pulled over and why they have cause for a search.

Flir and stingray devices have been deployed in the field. Social media is being leveraged as well. Raman spectrometry is being deployed at customs and can detect molecular signatures of drugs without opening the package.

We can pretend to not be concerned because shroomery is just not a priority, but that is not worrying aboug the bear in the room because it has plenty eat atm.


Edited by Sugabearcrisp (01/13/22 06:06 AM)


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27616116 - 01/12/22 11:52 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

:facepalm: yeah man, theyre coming to get all of us, right now. Everybody, quick, flush all your shit and delete all your posts!


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27616125 - 01/12/22 11:58 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

This isn't about worrying or flushing your shit, it is about whether or not the site is under survialence and I say there is no doubt a copy being stored by the feds somewhere.

It is all fun and games but the drug pendulium could swing the other way and we find ourselves in a different situation. Probably before your time but the feds busted a lot of people based on simply buying grow equipment or seeds under operation Green Merchant.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27616495 - 01/12/22 05:57 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Truth.  All it takes is a change in administration and an Attorney General with a hardon, or a Congress Critter who finds his kid's grow closet, to bring the hammer down.  Ref: Operation Pipe Dreams.  John Ashcroft wanted to hump Tommy Chong, so he fabricated evidence and created a crime where one didn't even exist.

"Nice Dreams had a policy in place for refusing to sell bongs to states where the statute was being enforced. Federal agents, disguised as head-shop owners, pressured Paris Chong to sell them his pipes and deliver them through the mail to a fictitious shop in the Pittsburgh suburb of Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania. When Paris persistently refused, agents went to the place of business in person and ordered a massive quantity of out of stock merchandise. The merchandise was crafted but not picked up and sat idle in the warehouse as federal agents again pressured Paris to ship it. To get the merchandise out of his warehouse, DEA agents became employees and shipped the merchandise."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pipe_Dreams

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/operation-pipe-dream-10-y_b_2745740


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Shroomintune]
    #27616524 - 01/12/22 06:29 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Im still reading through the green merchant deal. Yeah shit man sounds awful but I have instinctively went into this paranoid about this exact shit. For weeks the guys running my local hydro shop thought I was a theif because I was so afraid to speak up and ask honest questions. Took me months to see they had a banner for their HEMP FARM just upstate.. There would be a cop sitting across the street OFTEN and Id freak thinking about something like green merchant. Haha cop never bothered me. Maybe its where I am. Its actually not even legal here, but as the shop guys reemed into my head ; "they just have more important shit to worry about" The cop across the street apparently was mostly watching for drunk drivers and people speeding which was totally reasonable it was a shitty road somedays.. shop guy said he has cops that come in the store all the time, he says "not all cops are douchebags". I once bought pot off a guy who said he grew it, more likely his friend that he met behind the building before I pulled in did, but regardless shit was fresh and STANK, guy tells me "oh my best buddy whos a cop is coming over" were hanging out in his work place while they are open making sales (my dealer guy was the cashier running the place for the shift, small package store yknow) cop comes in wer all talking joking throwing piss talking about getting haggard drunk. The entire time I cant help but notice my fucking pocket is on fire and my nose is bleeding. The cop did not say jack shit, I didnt mention shit either but I easily could have arrested that day and many others and somehow it hasnt happened.
>inb4 what race are you
that factor makes zero difference here in this equation surprisingly enough in fact the folk i see buying the most and biggest stuff at the hydro shop typically black.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27616941 - 01/13/22 05:14 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

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Im still reading through the green merchant deal. Yeah shit man sounds awful but I have instinctively went into this paranoid about this exact shit. For weeks the guys running my local hydro shop thought I was a theif because I was so afraid to speak up and ask honest questions. Took me months to see they had a banner for their HEMP FARM just upstate.. There would be a cop sitting across the street OFTEN and Id freak thinking about something like green merchant. Haha cop never bothered me. Maybe its where I am. Its actually not even legal here, but as the shop guys reemed into my head ; "they just have more important shit to worry about" The cop across the street apparently was mostly watching for drunk drivers and people speeding which was totally reasonable it was a shitty road somedays.. shop guy said he has cops that come in the store all the time, he says "not all cops are douchebags". I once bought pot off a guy who said he grew it, more likely his friend that he met behind the building before I pulled in did, but regardless shit was fresh and STANK, guy tells me "oh my best buddy whos a cop is coming over" were hanging out in his work place while they are open making sales (my dealer guy was the cashier running the place for the shift, small package store yknow) cop comes in wer all talking joking throwing piss talking about getting haggard drunk. The entire time I cant help but notice my fucking pocket is on fire and my nose is bleeding. The cop did not say jack shit, I didnt mention shit either but I easily could have arrested that day and many others and somehow it hasnt happened.
>inb4 what race are you
that factor makes zero difference here in this equation surprisingly enough in fact the folk i see buying the most and biggest stuff at the hydro shop typically black.



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kreg said:
Im still reading through the green merchant deal. Yeah shit man sounds awful but I have instinctively went into this paranoid about this exact shit. For weeks the guys running my local hydro shop thought I was a theif because I was so afraid to speak up and ask honest questions. Took me months to see they had a banner for their HEMP FARM just upstate.. There would be a cop sitting across the street OFTEN and Id freak thinking about something like green merchant. Haha cop never bothered me. Maybe its where I am. Its actually not even legal here, but as the shop guys reemed into my head ; "they just have more important shit to worry about" The cop across the street apparently was mostly watching for drunk drivers and people speeding which was totally reasonable it was a shitty road somedays.. shop guy said he has cops that come in the store all the time, he says "not all cops are douchebags". I once bought pot off a guy who said he grew it, more likely his friend that he met behind the building before I pulled in did, but regardless shit was fresh and STANK, guy tells me "oh my best buddy whos a cop is coming over" were hanging out in his work place while they are open making sales (my dealer guy was the cashier running the place for the shift, small package store yknow) cop comes in wer all talking joking throwing piss talking about getting haggard drunk. The entire time I cant help but notice my fucking pocket is on fire and my nose is bleeding. The cop did not say jack shit, I didnt mention shit either but I easily could have arrested that day and many others and somehow it hasnt happened.
>inb4 what race are you
that factor makes zero difference here in this equation surprisingly enough in fact the folk i see buying the most and biggest stuff at the hydro shop typically black.




Ur paranoia is justified
I have a friend who was big into Glass art & the feds hasseled him abt it to the point where he doesnt touch anything glass that isnt a legit Vase
So if they will go ater ARTISTS thry will go after everyone
They sent him some phony glass for him to fix once Nothing added up abt where it came, what to fix They just said Do it (But all artists Know that A,BC and the spooks only cared abt X,Y, X)
He put it on the back burner & they disappeared almost as fast as they appeared
The address came from MT but he was sitting pretty in MD.
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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27616944 - 01/13/22 05:18 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

They gotta shop in TX where they can mimic ppls packages (right down to stamps/tape they use)
The CIA uses it to f w terrorists/drug dealers (its mostly to f w wholesalers) But occasionally the feds use it to mess w randoms


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27618231 - 01/14/22 08:30 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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RedRH said:
Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.




How would they do that?

Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason. 

I did a Google search and couldn't find any evidence that the data is still present after a phone is wiped.


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Rob Braxman explains the abilities that the NSA has had for some time now and that lawful intercept firmware is now built into all wireless routers.




Which video talks about this?

It should be under his videos regarding WiFi router security. Evidence of meshed WiFi is easy to verify: If you are on Xfinity or Cox, they allow you to use any Xfinity or Cox connected WiFi network. Since you are a customer, their servers know where your devices are in the network. The NSA has the ability to track targets by their account associated devices on any WiFi network in the US. They have access to ALL provider data networks through CALEA devices that give them monitoring and intercept capabilities. Review Rob's videos. They are scary.



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Notice that modern cell phones do not have a removeable battery and that is because even when you have powered you phone off, it is still accessible by alphabet agencies and can be "woken up" without you knowing that the camera and mic can be woken up and active, even when your phone is powered down via WiFi and/or cellular connection to the cell tower.




I suppose, but it would need to be told to wake up at a certain time, because it would be obvious if it was communicating when it was off by monitoring with a spectrum analyzer or RF field strength meter.  It would also drain the battery a lot of it was receiving radio signals when it was off.




https://www.tomsguide.com/us/nsa-remotely-turn-on-phones,news-18854.html


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