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How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? * 1
    #27319449 - 05/23/21 12:37 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts?
Idk if this is a really sensitive topic that I shouldnt bring up because none of us are doing anything wrong in the first place. The fact I even have to be worried about something like if I want to grow mushrooms for myself or discuss mycology online is total bullshit and I hope it changes soon.

Im also curious if there has ever been any high profile busts from the site?
Is using a VPN and a throw away email with no IDing info and pics being stripped of their metadata enough to keep my real life ID safe? Or should I constantly be using tails and TOR, PGP encrypting every PM and never using my home wifi for connection to the site?
How paranoid should I be on here?
If I was getting nervous at any point whats the best way to flush my shroomery profile or is that evidence forever?

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27319467 - 05/23/21 01:14 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts?




I don't believe there's ever been a bust as a direct result of posting on the shroomery. I'm sure there have been some mushroom lab busts from users acting stupid as a result of their bad behavior in real life situations, but I don't think the site itself directly resulted in a user getting busted. Somebody could correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly confident in saying it's unheard of.

If you're just doing a personal grow or even growing a few ounces, I'd put the chances of a bust at 0%. Just don't make it convenient for them to bust you. Law enforcement is generally lazy. They're not going to bust you unless you hand yourself over on a silver platter, like literally post your address, the weight of your crop, your face and finger prints, and a hand-written note saying "please bust me", and even then I'd say your chances are pretty good. Just use common sense.

I'm assuming you live in a country that has similar laws (and law enforcement) to the US.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 3
    #27323326 - 05/26/21 01:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think the government cares at all about people who have drugs on the internet.  They also aren't very interested in mushrooms because there's not much money in them and they don't cause people serious problems like hard drugs do.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #27323340 - 05/26/21 01:34 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Just curious how much yall think the pigs and their associates actually try and find out members real world IDs and do busts?




Most pigs and their associates can barely operate a computer.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: stubb]
    #27323887 - 05/26/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I suspect that the forum is one of many websites and social media platforms that are either glanced at for big / easy busts or have analytical software combing the data. I doubt there is a DEA agent watching the Shroomery day and night but that isn't out of the question. This is a big and popular site and it's a goldmine for information. If someone is already under investigation then checking the Shroomery, Nook, Growery, etc, for incriminating evidence would be a no-brainer.

One should never freely give information and posting info to the internet should be strictly weighed and limited.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
    #27330269 - 05/31/21 11:24 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I mean honestly if I was onsome sort of drug task force. Would be prowling these forums, making post asking questions and all that. Then trying to get someone to send me a liquid culture or some sort of drugs.
Cause it’s busts like that, that make the paper which leads to promotions.

I imagine if you don’t try to sell or trade anything blatantly illegal your risk is pretty low.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Crispy224] * 1
    #27331235 - 06/01/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm guessing every single DEA chemist has either browsed or posted on these forums.

The doorkickers probably don't. There's that old saying: A cop only has one crevice in their brain, and that's from their cap.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #27331287 - 06/01/21 10:12 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I would be concerned about having history and or an active cookie on your device if you got busted. Cops are consistently confiscating devices these days and while they may not do the forensics themselves someone else will be doing it in most cases.
For example you get arrested for dui/oui/dwi, they will take your phone and send it off so someone can look and see if you have pictures from earlier that show you drinking, they will check ur fb to establish a party lifestyle. If they open the browser and see you are logged into shroomery and/or have drug photos they could use that to get a warrant for your residence and use your posts in court as evidence by tying your account to you through your device.

Vpn is helpful if they went to your isp to see dns logs but incognito mode and full deletion of pictures is probably more important.

Also don't use fingerprint or facial unlock, supreme court said cops can unlock your phone by these methods even if you are in custody and nonconsenting. They cannot force you to give up a passcode.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27334347 - 06/03/21 08:05 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they aren’t going to be trying to gain access to your phone.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Crispy224]
    #27334771 - 06/04/21 05:07 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they aren’t going to be trying to gain access to your phone.




You are 100% wrong, if you get arrested by a competent police department they will take your phone and ask a judge for a warrant based on probable cause that the phone contains evidence related to the crime.  The supreme court has found that they do not need a warrant to seize your phone and hold it while they attempt to attain a warrant due to the potential of evidence destruction. They can hold it for at least several days during which time they are allowed to take steps to preserve the evidence such as disabling automatic locking and encryption and placing the phone in Faraday cages to prevent remote wiping.
I know a few people who have gotten DUI and they all had their phone taken and legally searched. A member here in the uk was involved in a fatal car accident and had his phone seized, posted here that he was worried about drug evidence on there and that was his last post.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27335034 - 06/04/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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You would have to be arrested for some sort of drug crime, or cyber crime for them to get a warrant for your phone. If you get a random dui, or something like assault they aren’t going to be trying to gain access to your phone.




You are 100% wrong, if you get arrested by a competent police department they will take your phone and ask a judge for a warrant based on probable cause that the phone contains evidence related to the crime.  The supreme court has found that they do not need a warrant to seize your phone and hold it while they attempt to attain a warrant due to the potential of evidence destruction. They can hold it for at least several days during which time they are allowed to take steps to preserve the evidence such as disabling automatic locking and encryption and placing the phone in Faraday cages to prevent remote wiping.
I know a few people who have gotten DUI and they all had their phone taken and legally searched. A member here in the uk was involved in a fatal car accident and had his phone seized, posted here that he was worried about drug evidence on there and that was his last post.




Well that's fucking eerie lmao

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27335108 - 06/04/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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anon said Well that's fucking eerie lmao




Yeah unfortunately not funny, dude is probably in jail.

People should also realize that police are going after phones and judges are issuing warrants to search phones for suspicion of distracted driving when someone is involved in an auto accident.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27367353 - 06/29/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I use Qubes OS / Whonix on my computer and Graphene OS on my phone. Try cracking AES256 with a strong passphrase...


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: BSUUF2]
    #27368369 - 06/29/21 10:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: paradoxlost] * 1
    #27376595 - 07/06/21 04:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden





Did Snowden mention Shroomery, or anything that would affect Shroomery users?

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27376628 - 07/06/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Constant. Doesn't anyone remember Edward Snowden





Did Snowden mention Shroomery, or anything that would affect Shroomery users?



Snowden described an infrastructure that hoovers everything up electronic, one must assume that includes shroomery. Artificial inteliegence and machine learning can make sense of these vast unstructured data oceans, creating presumeded profiles and networks. It is without doubt that a 3 letter agency has profiles on every digital and real person with confidence levels, connections and online/real aliases.

None of it is admissible but it may be used to direct attention.

It is beyond acceptable that we have had 3 party changes and still the patriot act is renewed.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #27376799 - 07/06/21 07:05 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Snowden described an infrastructure that hoovers everything up electronic, one must assume that includes shroomery. Artificial inteliegence and machine learning can make sense of these vast unstructured data oceans, creating presumeded profiles and networks. It is without doubt that a 3 letter agency has profiles on every digital and real person with confidence levels, connections and online/real aliases.

None of it is admissible but it may be used to direct attention.

It is beyond acceptable that we have had 3 party changes and still the patriot act is renewed.





I agree, though Snowden didn't say anything about SSL being cracked.    Hoovering up all that metadata might be able to tell them which people are using Shroomery, but it wouldn't tell them your username or what you were doing on the site.  All that metadata might not tell them even that much because a lot of people use more secure DNS settings by default and a lot of sites are on the same IP address, so the metadata wouldn't necessarily give them anything useful.

I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows. 

I think growing psilocybin mushrooms will be legalized before anyone gets busted for posting on Shroomery.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #27376841 - 07/06/21 07:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Two points;

I am not talking about metadata, i am talking about intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles.

The dpr/sr history which may have put shroomery on a permanent watch

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 4
    #27376849 - 07/06/21 07:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I also don't think the government cares who is using Shroomery - there's no big fish here, and even the DEA cares very little about small home grows.




Best advice I've ever heard: Buy yourself a big safe, and put your stash in the dresser under the safe.

Might have been here, might have been on reddit, some young college entrepreneur was asking about getting a "portable safe" for their stash/cash. Why would you do something like that? It's a several hundred dollar sign that says "steal me".

Just go ahead and assume they have all the information about you. They know you name, they know where you live, they know your favorite flavor of ice cream, and they know what you're gonna do next month because their predictive AI is literally better than your decision making ability.

Now realize that they know that about everyone, and that until they have a reason to, they will not look at you. There is anonymity in a crowd.

Same thing with people that move to a small town for the "privacy". Like seriously? Small towns are the least private places you could ever imagine. Nobody has shit to do but gossip, and if nobody knows you, you're the most popular topic of gossip in the whole damn town. Whereas in a city, I walk down the street, and nobody knows me. Nobody recognizes me. Hell, most of my neighbors don't even recognize me until I say hi, and I've had most of my neighbors over for dinner.

People are too self-absorbed to realize that everyone else is just as self-absorbed as they are.

Side benefit: want people to think you're a super cool and outgoing guy with tons of friends and an active social life? Remember their name. That's all you gotta do. Pretty sure that's how Bill Clinton became president: remembering everybody's name.

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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27390387 - 07/16/21 01:52 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles



I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them?
Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.


*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.

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