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Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure
    #27316847 - 05/20/21 07:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hey all, first post.
I read a grow log here where a guy used rabbit poop to successfully cultivate Ps. cubensis and it’s recommended as a fertilizer for your garden. It got me wondering if panaeolus cyanescens would also take to rabbit litter(about 10% is hay scraps) after it has been rinsed and pasteurized.  A rabbit with the recommended healthy diet of unlimited Timothy hay(hay is more for keeping their teeth healthy and digestive system working properly)and fresh leafy vegetables means most of its waste will be hay. The pan cyan teks I’ve read through all call for manure and straw. I looked up the NPK numbers on rabbit manure and it has 4 to 5 times more nitrogen, around 5 to 7 times more phosphorus, and roughly the same potassium as horse/cow manure. This is  something I have no idea about when it comes to fungi. Has anyone else tried this? I’ve tried searching and haven’t been able to find much.
My idea is to do a little science. Inoculate 6 jars, 2 of the standard pan manure mix, 2 using only the rabbit poop/hay scraps, and 2 using a 50/50 mix of rabbit and horse/cow manure. Then keep a grow log to see 1. if it works and 2. If there is a difference in colonization speeds etc. if anyone with experience growing pan cyans has any input, it would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27317069 - 05/21/21 02:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

What benefit would there be to rabbit poo unless you can get it much cheaper than hpoo or straw?

Most often rabbits eat hay as well as part of their feed regime which is not ideal for cubes.
Give it a go for experimentation sake but you'll find the common mediums are popular for a reason.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27317427 - 05/21/21 11:32 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the reply! I have a rabbit so I have plenty of access to rabbit shit that also includes scraps of uneaten Timothy and oat hay lol. I don’t plan on using it for cubes, i already have my groove going with them. I was just noting someone has successfully done it with cubes and am drawing a slight inference that it might work for other dung loving species. I’m specifically wondering about panaeolus cyanescens and I guess by extension tropicalis etc. I’m going to have to science it up lol.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27317606 - 05/21/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I tried using my rabbit's poo with cubes no pasteurization, they fully colonized in a couple weekes but an aggressive inky cap eventually took over when I transferred to coir.  Theyre out in the yard now.


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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: schmutzen]
    #27317800 - 05/21/21 05:00 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Let us know how it goes! I've started using rabbit manure as well around my yard, a neighbour with rabbits gives it to me.

So of course I started wondering about Pan Cyans. :cool:

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: hidyn]
    #27325174 - 05/27/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Inoculating wbs today, then doing 3 shoeboxes as described above. Straight rabbit manure and hay scraps, horse manure and a 50/50 mix. Then taking a daily grow log. I’ll message you once I get everything up and going

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27327193 - 05/28/21 08:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

😉 great minds and a-holes think alike.

Just got my bonus and unexpected pan spores (bonus from a vendor) and am attempting this this weekend. 5 meat rabbits making tons of poo. So I figured it must be fate.

Maybe we can compare notes as it goes.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Giminicrckt]
    #27327561 - 05/29/21 05:44 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds awesome man, I don’t have meat rabbits. Just a pet Jersey Wooly, but man with a healthy diet they crank out their little Cocoa Puffs non stop. I’m thinking after rinsing the hay scraps and poop, throwing some into a substrate bag to sterilize. I’m also planning on doing a wbs/rabbit poop hay mix mix in a couple of half pint jars. Just need to get a few more shoe boxes, some peat for casing and horse/cow manure for the control and mix bins. Today I’m going to go over my notes and teks for pan cyans to work out the details on spawn and substrate. I’m excited since this will be my first attempt at cyans after getting my cube groove going. 2 mono tubs(I spaced one out) and a shoebox of PE6 that have vigorously aggressive  mycelium. MSS to WBS fully colonized quarts took ~10 days. Spawn run to fruiting conditions took 6 days. Definitely going to clone some of those bad boys since they kicked Z-strains ass when in came to spawning times.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27330063 - 05/31/21 07:58 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Slight change in plans. PC’d a bunch of wbs jars yesterday and ended up with more wbs than jars. Plan on inoculating some half pint jars with pan cyan. I threw the leftover WBS along with a 5050 mix of cow manure and rabbit poop/oat hay blend in a spawn bag. Once the half pint jars colonize, I’m going to PC 3 spawn bags as described: manure, rabbit poop/hay, and a 5050 mix of the two for the substrate and log the colonization speed, spawn run, time it takes each to meet fruiting conditions and finally the fruit quality/size and flush sizes.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27330683 - 05/31/21 07:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Well I'm way behind 😅 just put spores to agar. 5 plates pan cyan to start then I nocked up some Pf cakes for shits and giggles.

Some azuresense and a really old unknown cube spore print. As well as some wild lions mane and rishi tissue samples went onto agar. so I'm gonna have my work cut out for me.

How would you recommend I pasteurize the B-poo ?

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Giminicrckt]
    #27331146 - 06/01/21 07:08 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I PC’d it In a spawn bag after a few good rinses. Could probably load it into jars as well or do a bucket style tek. I picked up a small one of those igloo water dispensers football players use at goodwill for like $5 since it’s insulated, seals pretty tightly  and retains heat for over 12 hours. I’ve never had a problem with coir or coir + verm pasteurized like that.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27331296 - 06/01/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

All right that doesn't sound like a bad idea with the igloo water dispenser cooler thing. Maybe I'll try it a couple of different ways. Thank you.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Shroomal]
    #27332270 - 06/02/21 07:39 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Shroomal said:
I PC’d it In a spawn bag after a few good rinses. Could probably load it into jars as well or do a bucket style tek. I picked up a small one of those igloo water dispensers football players use at goodwill for like $5 since it’s insulated, seals pretty tightly  and retains heat for over 12 hours. I’ve never had a problem with coir or coir + verm pasteurized like that.





I also use an insulated water jug cooler - i have a big 10 gallon version and do my cvg "bucket tek" in it - It can easily handle double batches and at that volume it stays hot for a very long time.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: MikeRodose]
    #27332449 - 06/02/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a plumber... And this got me thinking. I can get a basic water heater to 165+. A 10 gallon Insulated water jug, a pump and a heat exchanger (simple as a coil of copper) may actually be just the ticket.

If I can get a tiny 120v electric point of use water heater up to the right temp it could be an all in one unit.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Giminicrckt]
    #27333452 - 06/03/21 05:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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All right that doesn't sound like a bad idea with the igloo water dispenser cooler thing. Maybe I'll try it a couple of different ways. Thank you.




The igloo water dispenser has been great for me so far, I’m sure a regular cooler would work too, which would hold more volume. My only word of caution is it stays HOT! When you open it, open away from your face, because steam scalding. I made the mistake once and burned the hell out of my hands lol. So maybe do it like the day before you plan to spawn to bulk.

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: Giminicrckt]
    #27333460 - 06/03/21 05:48 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Giminicrckt said:
I'm a plumber... And this got me thinking. I can get a basic water heater to 165+. A 10 gallon Insulated water jug, a pump and a heat exchanger (simple as a coil of copper) may actually be just the ticket.

If I can get a tiny 120v electric point of use water heater up to the right temp it could be an all in one unit.




That’s pretty genius. I’m not a plumber, but i’m actually planning on changing careers to HVAC. I’m picturing basically a water heater feeding into a coiled copper pipe that basically recycles the water back to the heater almost like a condenser coil?

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Re: Pan Cyan Experiment - rabbit manure [Re: MikeRodose]
    #27333464 - 06/03/21 05:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I also use an insulated water jug cooler - i have a big 10 gallon version and do my cvg "bucket tek" in it - It can easily handle double batches and at that volume it stays hot for a very long time.




They’re great and you can almost always find one or a regular insulated cooler at a thrift store for extremely cheap. My GF laughs at me because anytime we are out shopping at a dollar store or goodwill, I’m always looking for things i can use for my mycology projects.

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