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What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised?
#27312603 - 05/17/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is the benefit of breaking up a jar at the 30% stage?
I realize that it creates more inoculation points but are there other benefits, like making the mycelium stronger as a result of being broken up?
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: GermanShaman]
#27312606 - 05/17/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just distribution for faster colonization.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: Goatrider]
#27312607 - 05/17/21 01:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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also to check the recovery. if you shake and nothing happens then your spawn was fucked..
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: mushboy]
#27312635 - 05/17/21 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you
I'm guessing you guys shake (gently) just enough to break the bigger colonized area into roughly inch sized pieces?
Or should we shake it up a bunch like when spawning to bulk?
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: Atomsplit]
#27312638 - 05/17/21 02:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The later, break up as good as possible. the better you break it up the more inoculation points you get.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: mushboy]
#27313276 - 05/18/21 05:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, that makes sense. That would also explain why I had some grows that failed when I went to bulk, despite looking fully colonised in the jars.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: GermanShaman]
#27313510 - 05/18/21 09:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No you want to completely break it all up when you shake.
If it’s a decent clean culture it’ll explode after you shake it. If you just leave it without shaking it’ll easily take three times longer to colonize.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: A.k.a]
#27313549 - 05/18/21 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That would also explain why I had some grows that failed when I went to bulk, despite looking fully colonised in the jars.

I'm not following your logic here.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: verum subsequentis]
#27313556 - 05/18/21 09:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess OP had some jars visibly colonized on the outside, with a hidden contam inside, or not fully colonized. He didn`t shake up a single time, so just sent it to bulk without recovery control.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: Goatrider]
#27313571 - 05/18/21 09:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah, yes. I see. Well, that could indeed lead to problems.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: verum subsequentis]
#27313583 - 05/18/21 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Minor hijack because it's relevant and I don't want to start a whole thread to ask: if growth is healthy, how long does it usually take for cube myc to grow to 30%? If the growth is slow (but not stalled) what might that indicate?
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: Benson]
#27313601 - 05/18/21 10:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If growth is slow, i`d shake earlier to hopefully speed it up. Maybe a competitor, maybe genetics. Usually i shake if i see myc growth in dimension of my fist. I really don`t care if it`s 20,30,40 or 50%, that can vary. But i like it early on.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: Goatrider]
#27313930 - 05/18/21 03:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Goatrider said: I guess OP had some jars visibly colonized on the outside, with a hidden contam inside, or not fully colonized. He didn`t shake up a single time, so just sent it to bulk without recovery control.

That's true. I have had mixed success with some grows. I was not shaking at all and just letting the whole jar colonize and then going to bulk. Some of those jars fruited after going to bulk. But then again, some of the jars looked fine with no signs of contam and then did not colonise the bulk substrate.
So now I am trying some grows by shaking at 30% allowing the myc to recover and then take them to bulk. Lets see how that works out.
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Re: What is the benefit/point of breaking up grain spawn when its 30% colonised? [Re: GermanShaman]
#27313984 - 05/18/21 03:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the way. Walk in it.
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