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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
    #27309073 - 05/14/21 09:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well take away for him was that he no longer has a desire to abuse (or use) any substances. Pretty cool, actually. He says that he's tripped acid many many times but never gone super deep. That was a scary moment for him and he said that he doesn't know why anyone would want to experience something like that. I told him y’all are just freaks lol.

Mushrooms can definitely be more grounding. Shit, I cry almost every time I trip. Is that not normal? πŸ˜…


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27309097 - 05/14/21 10:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If i cry i know its a good trip

I dont blame him, what you describe didnt sound like the typical good type of forgetting who you are sort of thing due to a strong spiritual type of experience, if that makes sense

That shit sounds like a oh fuck wtf did i do i think i fucked up type of deal

Hes doing alright now though?

Disassociate was the word i was looking for

I can see lsd having that potential

I like lsd a lot though, im overdue


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
    #27309525 - 05/15/21 08:31 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

He's doing good now. Focusing on life priorities. New job, family stuff. Yeah he said that his mind had been completely wiped. He lost everything all within a second. The only thing he knew was that he didn't know anything anymore and it was scary. I can't imagine that shit. I've had a few bad trips where I start to worry that im stuck in that trip forever.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27309607 - 05/15/21 09:35 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Glad hes feeling better and focusing on some good areas in life

Hope the job works out well

Yeah its not always smooth sailing, dont think id enjoy an alzheimers experience

Sounds very confusing and anxiety ridden

Try and relax like "haha who am i...?"

MIB style

Hopefully some of it was enjoyable or positive was taken from it

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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
    #27309784 - 05/15/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Well it sounds off and out of the ordinary to me which is why i commented and stated my opinion.





I hear you.

And from my point of view...From reading about and researching psychedelics for well over 10 years now, from reading about hundreds if not thousands of people's experiences/trips reports over the years, as well as based from my own experiences with psychedelics...

....I'd say that having one's identity and "self" wiped away is not unheard of at all. "Losing the plot", forgetting and disconnecting from the "Who, What, Where, When, Why" of what is going on, that is actually a pretty classic and well known aspect of high dose psychedelic experiences. Being reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness with no name or identity can totally happen from high doses of psychedelics :yesnod: . Some people dose high enough just to have that specific type of experience.


I will say, what does sound a bit off and out of the ordinary is that this happened after they took only one single tab! Usually it takes larger doses to catalyze this. No way to put a "#" on it, but I'd say it'd likely take 400mcg to 500mcg+ for this to occur for most folks (having one's identity/self wiped away, "forgetting the plot" entirely). With that said though, I can totally see a dose as small as a "mere" 150mcg causing this to happen in certain individuals.

For myself, when I get to around the 300mcg mark I can easily start dissociating from my body and the external world, basically slipping into an introspective trance where I'm not really responsive to anything "outside" of myself (though my identity/self is still intact around that level). I've never ventured much beyond the 300mcg range but I can totally see just a slightly higher dose being enough for me to be totally "gone" for several hours.

I've briefly "lost the plot" before (unresponsive to my name, unresponsive to instructions, no longer recognizing my surroundings, essentially forgetting all of the "Who, what, when, where, why" of what is going on) from just 150mcg to 200mg. It was only my 2nd or 3rd time tripping on LSD and one of my first dozen trips with psychedelics in general. Granted I did smoke some cannabis shortly before it occurred which no doubt played a big role in catalyzing it, but for about 20 to 30 minutes I was pretty well disconnected from anything outside of "myself".


The 3rd or 4th time I took mushrooms....I took 5 dry grams. Around 45 to 60 minutes after dosing I was laid out entirely, my body remained laying on a bed for the next 4 to 5 hours. I was reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness. I no longer was aware of "I", I no longer had a body, no longer had a name, no longer had any memory of my life or ever existing before or ever being a human, everything about "ME" was wiped away entirely. "I" was reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness. I wasn't unconscious or asleep, I was still totally "aware", but there was no self and no identity involved/attached to the awareness. Every thing was wiped away, there was nothing but a void with intense vibrations running through it/my awareness.

...as I started to come back down 4 to 5 hours later, it was almost like being reborn in a way. Slowly remembering that "this" point of awareness has a body, remembering that the awareness/body that I'm connected to had a name, then aspects/memories of my life slowly started trickling back, remembering family & friends. It was such a trip to be completely wiped away/reduced down to nothing but pure awareness, essentially experiencing the death of one's "self", then slowly coming "back together" and remembering that I had a body, a name, family & friends, an entire life of memories.


"Forgetting the plot" and having one's identity/self wiped away are pretty common aspects/themes of the "death & rebirth" type experiences that people have on psychedelics. Pretty common with high doses.

That type of experience has been pretty well documented over the decades...but yea, I will say that it is pretty out of the ordinary for such to happen after taking just one single tab. That does seem strange, no doubt.





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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind] * 1
    #27309954 - 05/15/21 03:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah i hear ya

For mushrooms i dose alone and lay face first and ive many times felt i was someplace else entirely.

Completely out of touch with my body and only remembered i had one, similar to as you describe i think, hours later when it was like my consciousness was coming back into it and i was regaining function and control

Had that many times with mushrooms experiencing what i would call a vision quest

Had an out of body experience while smoking weed on a comedown past peak before too

But i always knew i was experiencing it and knew who i was even if at the time i wouldnt have been able to speak it or focus enough beyond what i was being shown to fabricate that thought entirely, let alone hold on to it in my mind, if ya know what i mean

I guess i can see that type of thing happening with lsd maybe since i find it more a disassociate

Ive never experienced that type of forgetting, i dont know that i would want to.

That sounds like being completely lost.

I can see that on dmt too

Ive had close to that on dmt or maybe even experienced it a bit

Maybe part of why i dont like it or it scares me type of deal

Im really high atm so might be rambling

I want to work on myself or enjoy this reality or view parts of it in different ways or see new aspects of it type of deal. I dont want to forget who i even am or wtf is even going on. That doesnt exactly sound beneficial or useful.

Is it ?

Even when i was one with all and there was nothing but one. There was still an "I" (me) experiencing it ya know? I didnt forget who i was and other people i knew were even though about (even if i really just thought they were my mind creating them and there is only one consciousness.)

That wasnt exactly enjoyable after that but i knew who i was. I thought i died. But i was still me.


Sounds kinda like this girl i saw at a festival take too much ketamine and get stuck in what people were calling a "k-hole" or something

Didnt look enjoyable

Idk

If i experienced that id betaking a step back to regain composure and reaffirm my grip on things


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
    #27310161 - 05/15/21 05:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You haven't been lost on dmt? Familiar with the term blasting off? I feel like if you haven't been lost on dmt your kinda missing the point.if your still completely understanding where you are, where did you even go? Idk I've been pieced back together from a void on dmt, I disintegrated while evaporating into beyond explanation on dmt. And I mean if that's not lost idk what is. I'm talking so lost you dont even know what lost is. Sometime even losing completely comprehension of what is even means to be a being "experiencing" in general. And completely forgetting who you are, in the since "you" "are" nothing, and all that is IS the experience.

And I've totally taken enough LSD and enough mushrooms to feel this way.

THANK JEEBUS FOR DE SYCHADELICS MANNNNN!!!!

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And I thinks its beneficial. I'm not going to get that into it. Are k holes beneficial? Probably. I think everything really has a purpose somewhere. Even if it's not beneficial to a certain thing at a certain time.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: QM33]
    #27310408 - 05/15/21 09:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You must not have read my post.

Maybe thats the issue with what i feel like op's description is vs what people are interpreting it as and relating it to their own experience

Btw we could experience the exact same thing and i say i wasnt lost and was me and you say you were lost and werent you, do you not get that?

You think its beneficial to have an experience where you dont know who you are or the people around you are and nothing else beneficial comes from?

My deep experiences were things like the story of man and good and evil or healing from trauma

Those are beneficial. Where you learn or grow

I dont see how not knowing who i am on top of nothing being learned etc is beneficial to my journey

Almost sounds like people are saying if you havent had amnesia you havent tripped hard or had a deep experience

Ive tripped over 100 times

Heres one from 200g fresh tea dosed all at once on an empty stomach

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25185976/fpart/all/vc/1


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