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Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device
#27307908 - 05/14/21 06:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I replied this in a Pub thread about there being a bleach shortage as people hoard it due to the pandemic.
Because of the subject matter, independently producing your own desinfectant, its also interesting for the Mush Cult forum
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Asante said: Not chlorine, sodium hypochlorite, bleach. (sorry, I'm a chem nerd )
The Chinese are way ahead of you, lookie:
Ever since the start of COVID they market products like this one.
A spray bottle. You put water in. You put a little scoop of salt in. You hook it up to USB. You turn it on It switches off. You now have a bleach spray bottle.
Thats right, salt water to bleach desinfectant in a simple USB device.
NaCl + H2O --> NaOCl + H2
The Chinese aren't running out of desinfectant in the pandemic, they use their brain and decentralize bleach production to your home.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: Asante]
#27307960 - 05/14/21 07:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very interesting. It might be nicer if they had a unit that did this stand alone then you could fill a bottle..? Have you seen that water bottle that's basically a humidifier ha? Pulls water out the air.?
What I'm wondering tho is if it's just sodium hypochlorite and most bleaches contain chlorine or h202,would this still be as effective? Also those other additives that are commonly put into the bleaches seem to give it its stability? I'm also assuming that "big bleach" isn't electrically charging their solutions, because it seems to lose its construction?
Would this work, probably right. Would it be as effective as what you would buy at a store? Do they have bottles of just sodium hypochlorite?
I might be more inclined to build a distillation unit before playing into Chinas bullshit. How does sodium hypochlorite compare to ethenol?
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27308353 - 05/14/21 12:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The chemical called bleach or chlorine bleach, is Sodium hypochlorite.
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Very interesting. It might be nicer if they had a unit that did this stand alone then you could fill a bottle..?
Theres several types of units, some basic, some elaborate.
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I'm also assuming that "big bleach" isn't electrically charging their solutions, because it seems to lose its construction?
Big Bleach indeed either electrifies salt water or electrifies molten salt, then combines the sodiumk hydroxide and chlorine to form sodium hypochlorite.
Sodium hypochlorite is the "chlorine" of pools. Its one of the strongest antiseptics in common use, used in hospitals and slaughterhouses alike.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: Asante]
#27308371 - 05/14/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would they add lye And chlorine after electrifying the salt mixture if it's already sodium hypochlorite, "bleach".
I've seen "natural" bleaches that are only h2o2
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27308385 - 05/14/21 01:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is really neat. I dont use bleach for cult work, but I really dig the homemade bleach gizmo.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27309326 - 05/15/21 04:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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QM33 said: Why would they add lye And chlorine after electrifying the salt mixture if it's already sodium hypochlorite, "bleach".
It is more energy efficient.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27309387 - 05/15/21 06:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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QM33 said: Why would they add lye And chlorine after electrifying the salt mixture if it's already sodium hypochlorite, "bleach".
I've seen "natural" bleaches that are only h2o2
H2O2 is peroxide not bleach. Bleach is always NaOCl
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: bodhisatta]
#27309465 - 05/15/21 07:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I knew that. Just more of an example I guess how the term "bleach" is thrown around.
But if its always naoci which is achieved simply by electrifying a salt water mixture, what is the point of adding chlorine and lye? And wouldn't that change it from naoci? And if it were just naoci what keeps it stable?
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27309539 - 05/15/21 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buffering the solution so it works longer or better.
They are bleaching agents, lye, chlorine, peroxides they can work on their own in a similar way to bleach or added to bleach increase performance
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: QM33]
#27309857 - 05/15/21 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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QM33 said:
And if it were just naoci what keeps it stable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hypochlorite#Packaging_and_sale
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Sodium hydroxide is usually added in small amounts to household bleach to slow down the decomposition of NaClO
sodium hydroxide is lye, aka caustic soda. When you get that horrible soapy feel on your skin if you contacted bleach I think it is the lye causing it.
Homebrew beer makers will mix household clear bleach with vinegar to neutralise the lye and make a very potent sanitiser. They call it a "no rinse sanitiser" as you can just use a dilute solution in beer bottles and not bother rinsing it out.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: blackout]
#27310148 - 05/15/21 05:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. Thanks guys ha! Truly enjoy trying to understand this stuff.
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: Asante]
#27310751 - 05/16/21 06:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And I have now purchased my own electrolyzing device lol. Thanks!
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Re: Making your own bleach desinfectant from salt + water with a simple Chinese USB device [Re: GoldRush]
#27315139 - 05/19/21 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have to sterilize surfaces a lot, its nice to have!
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