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Tea Question (low potentcy shroomies.)
    #2730594 - 05/26/04 01:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Would it be possible if a had a very large amount of Panaeolus foenisecci (Also called Haymakers Mushroom) and slow boiled it for an hour then drank the resulting tea it would have any psychedelic potency or is it almost impossible to have a decent trip off them? Answer appreciated.


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Re: Tea Question (low potentcy shroomies.) [Re: StonedSkwurl]
    #2730663 - 05/26/04 02:12 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

they aren't active at all. and even if they were, an hour of boiling would probably kill most of the magic.


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Re: Tea Question (low potentcy shroomies.) [Re: starfungi]
    #2732730 - 05/26/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

slow boil. aka simmer wont realy hurt shrooms at least in my experiance


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Re: Tea Question (low potentcy shroomies.) [Re: StonedSkwurl]
    #2732883 - 05/26/04 05:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

some foenisecii specimens have been found to contain trace amounts of psilocybin, but most specimens are completely void of it. People have been hospitilized from eating this mushroom. Do not ingest it!


I'm suprised to see laycaeum listing it as a psilocybin containing mushroom. I used to have a great document saved on my computer all about foenisecii, I'll see if I can find it.


Edited by Smoker For Peace (05/26/04 05:08 PM)


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Re: Tea Question (low potentcy shroomies.) [Re: StonedSkwurl]
    #2732918 - 05/26/04 05:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Taken from mushroom john's site:
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/panaeolina1.htm

In the past, as noted above, numerous mycologists had listed this species as edible, but not desirable; while most recent mycological publications refer to this mushroom as poisonous and/or hallucinogenic.


The question of the suspected psychoactive properties of P. foenisecii, which allegedly caused hallucinations in three young children (described above), three teen-agers (Cooles 1980), and two elderly ladies (Allen 1988b), is confused by conflicting observations of mycologists and other investigators who have studied this species. There is some mycological disagreement regarding the natural production and presence of psilocybin and psilocin in Panaeolina foenisecii. Some have even referred to the suspected appearance of these alkaloids in this species as sporadic (Ola'h 1970).



Panaeolina foenisecii was first investigated for the presence of indole compounds by Tyler and Smith (1963). They detected no psilocybin or psilocin in the specimens they analyzed, but did report the occurrence of 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin), along with 5-hydroxytryptophan, and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid. Two years later, Holden (1965) reported a suspected poisoning in a young English boy who became ill with tachycardia and mydriasis after allegedly consuming Panaeolina foenisecii). Specimens of the fungus collected in England and examined by Holden in 1969, contained no detectable psilocybin or psilocin (Mantle & Waight 1969).



Ola'h (1968a; 1968b; 1969; 1970) studied this species and described it as being 'latent psilocybian' (i.e., only producing these compounds sporadically). Robbers et al. (1969), reported detection of psilocybin in two collections of P. foenisecii, ?? one from Lafayette, Indiana, and another from Quebec, Canada. A third collection of the fungus, from Seattle, Washington, did not contain psilocybin.



In 1972 Fiusello and Ceruti?Scurti reported analysis of an Italian collection of P. foenisecii and found psilocybin present in one of two samples. Specimens collected during the spring of 1972 in Seattle, Washington tested negative (Enos 1972; Brolyn 1990). Later that same year, Miller (1972) commented on a case of poisoning that occurred earlier in 1966, in which this fungus was eaten by a four year old boy who "...was rendered comatose for a short time." Two years later, Southcott (1974) reported the above cited Australian case.


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