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OfflineBuckomcdoogle
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Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. * 2
    #27302853 - 05/10/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Electric cars are impractical.
I could see them working well for Europe just because of how much smaller it is geographically than the U.S

Imagine your tesla breaks down in some bumfuck town, you really think there's going to be someone who can work on your rolling computer?
Even if there was, I'm almost certain the local autozone carries almost 0 parts that are compatible with your car.

Not to mention if you are in some small town with a car like that you immediately come off as an ignorant city slicker with way too much money.

They aren't rugged enough to be relied on and you basically need a tech degree to work on them.
The infrastructure isn't there for the charging stations unless you live on the western most part of the west coast.
Anyone who owns a tesla seems like kind of a sucker to me.
Tesla has a horrible reputation for customer service, Ive heard multiple accounts where someone's vehicle broke down and getting it fixed was such a pain in the ass tesla just tries to incentivize you to buy a new one.

I think in a lot of ways trying to computerize cars is like trying to computerize firearms.
Tried and true machinery made overly complicated by technology, that ultimately makes reliability suffer.

A few weeks ago I saw an ad for an electric generator.... Like really? lots of use that will be if the power ever goes out long term.
We as humans we already way too reliant on technology, a move further in that direction just makes us more vulnerable to adversity.


New study explains why nearly 20 percent of electric car owners return to gas
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/energy/551207-new-study-explains-why-nearly-20-percent-of-electric


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Edited by Buckomcdoogle (05/10/21 11:04 AM)


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #27302864 - 05/10/21 11:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've had exactly the same thoughts. It would take an astronomically huge investment to have charging networks match, say, the cell phone network, which after twenty years of struggle is mostly pretty good. Maybe such an expenditure is in Biden's infrastructure plan, I don't know.

And your further point about breakdowns is spot on. Auto zones and garages themselves are not equipped, nor will they be for many years, to repair a conked out Tesla. What the hell is one supposed to do?


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27302926 - 05/10/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

We’re reaching a point where there’s no longer a choice whether we transition to electric or not. Global warming isn’t a conspiracy, it’s real and it’s happening. I don’t own an electric car myself. I just read that by 2027 electric vehicles will be cheaper to produce than gasoline vehicles. I have no idea how they figure that, and it’s probably not as simple as the headline made it sound. It will probably entail even more tax dollars being pumped into corporations like Tesla and the existing American brands which have traditionally produced gas cars. It’s not going to end well


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: GnashingGnosis]
    #27302944 - 05/10/21 12:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It will definitely be a bumpy road. And we must remember that electric vehicles are dependent on the grid, and the grid is making a huge carbon footprint. The grid is not green. I've often wondered why people overlook this.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27302951 - 05/10/21 12:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You’re right. And neither is the manufacture or mining of components for the electronics and batteries. I read a scary thing earlier today that 60% of the planet’s population will be forced into large cities within a few decades


Edited by GnashingGnosis (05/10/21 12:20 PM)


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: GnashingGnosis]
    #27303305 - 05/10/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, the processes and materials they use for the components, especially the batteries, are filthy. The same is true of solar panel disposal. There just aren't many good answers.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #27304010 - 05/11/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If you're buying a tesla, you're probably buying the home charging station.

The range of new teslas is around 400 miles.  The average US commute is under 30.  Electric cars are more than sufficient to meet the majority of people's needs.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: badchad]
    #27304798 - 05/11/21 07:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

But they're still no good if components break, or for road trips.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27305200 - 05/12/21 04:35 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Point taken.  I know nothing about car components or how abundant the charging stations are.  I googled "tesla charging stations in kansas" and there's a handful (15-20).  With some planning you could probably deal with the range issue.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: badchad] * 2
    #27340813 - 06/08/21 08:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Most everyday commuters will probably go electric in the coming years, but I can't see commercial vehicles doing the same. It's not efficient for a working vehicle to run off of electricity. Not to mention maintenance costs once all these 1200 lb batteries start giving out.
Also fuck Tesla, and fuck Elon Musk


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: shockplague0]
    #27378502 - 07/08/21 01:21 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe if the cars could use wind energy to keep them going and then have solar along with a plug in source to use for overnight/starting up, it would work a little better.

Instead of gas stations they would have plug-in stations.

It would be cool to be able to write code for your own car to personalize it. Is that like raspberry pi or whatever it’s called?


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Sleepingstar]
    #27380673 - 07/09/21 02:35 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You are correct. Electric cars are impractical.

The energy density of batteries is nothing compared to fuel. Biofuels also don't have the energy cap of batteries/solar, you have wayy more play. I do like nuclear for static infrastructure.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27380682 - 07/09/21 02:43 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I think its funny how in parts of California they are raising taxes on gas to "incentivize" people to go electric.

Its literally just a tax on poor people....
What low paid worker wants to spend 20-30k on a car that can only be driven through very small chunks of the country.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #27381075 - 07/09/21 07:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The ugly thing is, is that Tesla is undeniably and 100% necessary 10 years ago. We can't keep doing business with Saudi Arabia


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27381081 - 07/09/21 07:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Their oil is the only thing that backs the dollar internationally.

Too many people make too much money from Saudi - U.S relations.
They are also one of our strongest allies in the middle east.


Edited by Buckomcdoogle (07/09/21 07:38 PM)


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #27381140 - 07/09/21 09:00 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I know they do a decent job killing those pesky journalists.

And idk, there's more then one way to make money. People not wanting to figure out a better way just sounds like laziness too me.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27382129 - 07/10/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

"The powers that be want business to continue as usual."


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #27398625 - 07/22/21 11:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

unfortunately you could probably make more money different ways of business. its not that they're greedy, they're lazy


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: paradoxlost] * 2
    #27403023 - 07/26/21 04:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

AutoZone already exists. They can carry new parts.
Mechanics can learn too.

Dotting the entire US with gas stations a hundred years ago was already a bigger endeavor than adding charging stations to an already electrified country.

We went from horses to cars and im sure people had the same unfounded concerns about how much money it would be and how unreliable cars could be compared to a trusty horse. What if there's no paved road, what if there's no gas station, no mechanic or parts store. That's the advent of cars and yet it happened.

Electric cars need quite little infrastructure change.
20% of buyers return to gas sounds a lot like 80% of electric owners figured it out.


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Re: Electric cars are impractical. Change my mind. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27403776 - 07/27/21 02:26 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

what do you do with waste batteries


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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