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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: pirate-blues]
#27299096 - 05/07/21 06:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for that encouragement.
Yeah- skipping dose #2 seems silly now that I Think about it.
Nice eyes by the way. that IS strange though the different dilation levels.
Do you mean NYE 2019 or NYE 2020?
That would be another confirmation of Covid already running rampant in the USA before December 2019 though. ( if you mean NYE part 2019/2020 that is)
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27299109 - 05/07/21 06:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean NYE 2019-2020, not this past one. And yeah who knows how long it was circulating, it seems to be getting pushed back more and more - and thank you!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: pirate-blues]
#27299119 - 05/07/21 06:27 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes- thank you!
Idiots( probably right wing crazy fanatical Trump supporters) think it's heresy to think that Covid was here in the USA late 2019..... But I've even heard reports as far back as August 2019.
Either way- get your shot people.
Once think I will say about it is that the nurse just came in with a needle.
I asked if I could see the vial the fluid inside came out of . She said no. I said why not? She said " don't worry, it's the Moderna vaccine, by law I can't lie to you"
I was like can I have the empty vial then. she was like "no"
That part did sketch me out a little bit. but I got the shot anyways.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27299474 - 05/07/21 11:28 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fiery said: it's heresy to think that Covid was here in the USA late 2019.....
I find it quite amazing that some people insist it is an impossibility. Seems incredibly arrogant to me to state such a thing, but there you have it; some people gotta know it all rather than account for the fragility and fallibility of the human mind and its tendency towards hubris. Mine does the same thing of course, as I think most of ours do, but then we each have various layers of self/error-checking and self-doubt systems on top of each - some being far, far more layered than others....
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27299496 - 05/08/21 12:04 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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The rate covid spreads from person to person when nobody is using any type of mitigation - which is what would happen when nobody is aware there is a disease circulating - is quite fast. Cases quadruple every week.
Let’s say there were 100 cases in the US the first day of December
December 8 - 400 December 15 - 1600 December 22 - 6400 December 29 - 25600 January 5 - 102,400 January 12 - 409,600 January 19 - 1.6 million January 26 - 6.4 million February 2 - 25.6 million February 16 - 102 million February 23 - everyone.
Even if the growth rate was half that and cases doubled every week, you’re still looking at millions of cases by the end of February. And people would be dying in a noticeable manner. If you look at CDC data, even in NYC mortality was lower than normal until the first week of March, where it was slightly above normal.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27299725 - 05/08/21 06:21 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fiery said: it's heresy to think that Covid was here in the USA late 2019.....
I find it quite amazing that some people insist it is an impossibility. Seems incredibly arrogant to me to state such a thing, but there you have it; some people gotta know it all rather than account for the fragility and fallibility of the human mind and its tendency towards hubris. Mine does the same thing of course, as I think most of ours do, but then we each have various layers of self/error-checking and self-doubt systems on top of each - some being far, far more layered than others....
Good lord! You're the one who's gone off the deep end! Unless it was a very, very different virus IMMEDIATELY before it became widely known it would have been hard to keep under wraps for so long. Let's be clear: this virus shouts its presence.
Why on Earth do you all need to keep these fantasies that you had it? What's the purpose?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker]
#27299743 - 05/08/21 07:01 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to the CDC, 14 U.S. coronavirus cases were noted by public health agencies between January 21 and February 23, 2020; all patients had traveled to China. The first non-travel case was confirmed in California on February 26, and the first U.S. death was reported on February 29.
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The virus, which would spark a pandemic, was first reported in China on December 31, 2019. Halfway across the world, on January 19, a man who had returned home to Snohomish County, Washington near Seattle on January 15, after traveling to Wuhan, checked into an urgent care clinic after seeing reports about the outbreak.
Experiencing a cough, fever, nausea and vomiting, the Centers for Disease Control announced on January 21 that the 35-year-old had tested positive for COVID-19. He was hospitalized, where his condition grew worse and he developed pneumonia. His symptoms abated 10 days later.
Confirmed no covid in 2019 for JSB
Of course people get incredibly delusional about their own experiences. Hence people believing in ghosts and what not.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27299804 - 05/08/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it's possible that there are coronaviruses with the same, or similar enough, protein nubs, which might explain why some people had mild effects.
Maybe.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27300039 - 05/08/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I think it's possible that there are coronaviruses with the same, or similar enough, protein nubs, which might explain why some people had mild effects.
Maybe.
Yup. It's just a big maybe. Given that respiratory infections are ultra-common and ancient while in contrast COVID-19 is this really newfangled thing, there's a clear burden of proof of those who claimed to have gotten it 'before it was cool' to distinguish their illnesses from a garden variety cold.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker]
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker] 1
#27300057 - 05/08/21 11:20 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I think it's possible that there are coronaviruses with the same, or similar enough, protein nubs, which might explain why some people had mild effects.
Maybe.
Yup. It's just a big maybe. Given that respiratory infections are ultra-common and ancient while in contrast COVID-19 is this really newfangled thing, there's a clear burden of proof of those who claimed to have gotten it 'before it was cool' to distinguish their illnesses from a garden variety cold.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27300110 - 05/08/21 12:02 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Of course people get incredibly delusional about their own experiences. Hence people believing in ghosts and what not.
Thanks for the incredibly condescending remark.
So you believe that there could be no cases before the initial ones were reported and identified as novel?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27300137 - 05/08/21 12:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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People would have ended up on ventilators being highly contagious by an infectious disease that tests positive for being a SARS variant.
It would take one patient like that and the CDC would send in the suits.
No chance.
It would have been treated like a major outbreak and would have become one fast, just like in Wuhan.
The only reason its not exploding is because of the ppe and measures being taken. In India they didnt do that and they are running out of firewood to cremate the dead on in some areas.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27300155 - 05/08/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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But what % of people who get COVID need ventilators? What % of people that get it are able to write it off as being very sick and so just stay at home to convalesce?
I don't believe that there were 0 cases in any country before it was first reported in said country, at the very start of the outbreak.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27300180 - 05/08/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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It has to begin somewhere. Realistically one would expect the place where it broke out to be hit hard the first. This was the case in Wuhan. All crematoria ran 24/7 without services, just trying to keep up with the backlog. Corpses were brought in in body bags, stacked up in refrigerated trucks.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#27300469 - 05/08/21 05:11 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: But what % of people who get COVID need ventilators? What % of people that get it are able to write it off as being very sick and so just stay at home to convalesce?
I don't believe that there were 0 cases in any country before it was first reported in said country, at the very start of the outbreak.
Whether or not someone "needs" a ventilator is a little bit of grey area. When COVID first came out, my understanding is that only like 1/3 of people in ICU were mechanically ventilated (MV). Because it was a new disease with a strange presentation wherein a lot of people die from sudden cardiac arrest despite having decent-ish oxygen saturation, which isnt typically the case with pneumonia, I think in the beginning it was really easy to second guess any kind of treatment, just simply because if one thing follows another our intuition is to connect them. back in the beginning they werent taking people to ICU nearly early enough. by the time a COVID patient's vitals truly start to crash (compared against the vitals you'd expect from other pneumonias), it's often too late. I imagine in the beginning they were rushing people up into ICU and putting them on MV when death was already inevitable and likely to happen soon. So a lot of clinicians were wondering in the beginning whether ventilating was actually doing more harm than good.
Done right, current practice is that it's almost always advisable to ventilate COVID patients in the ICU, if you can. Around here at least 80-85% of COVID patients in the ICU receive MV. It's hard to know what the percentage of all COVID-positive people who require ICU admission is because of so many mild or asymptomatic cases that remain undiagnosed, but at 25-33% of people admitted to the hospital for COVID treatment end up in the ICU, so that would mean at least 1 in 5 hospitalized COVID patients "requires" MV.
educated guess based on all of that: I would not be surprised if the first case of COVID in the USA happened, say, 15 days or so prior to the officially recorded one, but I would be very shocked to discover that we had COVID-positive people in the USA going back to early December or late November, like Wuhan.
there was some AI program in Canada that detected that there seemed to a new infectious disease spreading based solely on sifting through news stories, and it originally picked up the signal in Wuhan based on articles about sudden spikes in pneumonia cases with an unknown cause.
If we had had a sudden spike of pneumonia with an unknown cause there would have been something published on it in this country, too, and the program would have picked up that signal first. Almost certainly
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#27300475 - 05/08/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: But what % of people who get COVID need ventilators? What % of people that get it are able to write it off as being very sick and so just stay at home to convalesce?
I don't believe that there were 0 cases in any country before it was first reported in said country, at the very start of the outbreak.
I never said there were zero cases. There were certainly early cases that flew under the radar. But they e weren’t many, because if there were a lot of cases flying under the radar then it would only be a few weeks before the hospitals filled up
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27301146 - 05/09/21 05:48 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't believe that there were 0 cases in any country before it was first reported in said country, at the very start of the outbreak.
Im sure everyone thinks the same. We just don't think you're one of the dozen people that may have had it before the first report
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27302143 - 05/09/21 09:13 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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241 deaths reported today in the US, the lowest number since March 23, 2020. 22,000 cases, the lowest number since July 2020
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27302162 - 05/09/21 09:35 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: 241 deaths reported today in the US, the lowest number since March 23, 2020. 22,000 cases, the lowest number since July 2020
It just doesnt make sense to me. Herd immunity due to vaccinations don't happen THAT FAST_
just like the virus was in the USA pre August 2019- those numbers are false.
Getting vaccinated helped- MAYBE but it was massive herd immunity.
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