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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27541285 - 11/13/21 03:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I want to invite the assembled to watch the very satisfying video of a LeMat black powder revolver being loaded and fired. These were the weapons of the 2nd amendment.



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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Asante]
    #27541344 - 11/13/21 05:32 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I want to invite the assembled to watch the very satisfying video of a LeMat black powder revolver being loaded and fired. These were the weapons of the 2nd amendment.






If you are not willing to apply originalism to the entire constitution and bill of rights you can't go applying it to specific amendments.

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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27541352 - 11/13/21 05:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Originalism is dumb. The entire premise is an assumption about intent, because it can’t be anything more since the originals are dead, and it does so without reframing it to modernity. It’s really the worst appeal to authority, and it’s a cheap cop out.


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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: christopera]
    #27541444 - 11/13/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I agree originalism is dumb, but that is what asante was attempting to put forth by saying that muzzle loaders were the guns of the 2nd amendment. I have seen other folks make the same argument. My point is that you can't make that argument on a piecemeal basis, therefore if you believe that the 2nd amendment applies to only muzzle loaders you also have to accept no right to privacy, no right to reproductive choice and in all likelyhood only white, male, landholders would be able to vote as those were the circumstances at the time of drafting.

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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27541732 - 11/13/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If the 2nd is obsolete, there is a process to change it or remove it. That process doesn't involve pretending it means something else.


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    #27543360 - 11/14/21 04:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I want to invite the assembled to watch the very satisfying video of a LeMat black powder revolver being loaded and fired. These were the weapons of the 2nd amendment




    No wonder they agreed to meet on a field and stand within range to shoot at each other .  You would be better off using swords or even archery if everyone moved around and hid behind trees .
    You may have been better off with archery anyway , if your badass.



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