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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27334032 - 06/03/21 04:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Because laws concerning knives are typically held to intermediate scrutiny or higher, that means there's a constitutional right involved.
Are they?
(That's a serious question, I have no idea if they are, or how to find out if they are)
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Kryptos]
#27334295 - 06/03/21 07:17 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, they generally are, but keep in mind that the SCOTUS hasn't taken up the issue yet. That leaves many courts across the country coming up with different and often conflicting standards. The bottom line here is that there is no real support for your claim that the 2nd doesn't apply to non-firearm weapons, and there is some support to the contrary. Is it an open question? Yes. That's why I have an issue with your certainty.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27334558 - 06/03/21 11:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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A cop once asked me if I had any weapons in the car and I said "I just have my tools and my work blade".
He said he didn't care about that. Then he impounded my truck but let me get most of my tools out first.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: ballsalsa]
#27336177 - 06/05/21 10:14 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Back in the 90s when I was 19 , I was driving around in the desert high as fuck in NM on my birthday with a brand new 20ga Remington 870 my mom gave me . Anyway I was in the middle of nowhere on a dirt road so I decided to hop out of my truck and start blasting away at some logs and bushes on the side of the road . Just wanted to shoot the thing . I had no idea a game warden was watching me from a hill about a mile away . He drives over gets out of his suv and starts accusing me of shooting at birds . He said he saw me trying to kill a flock of small birds and I was like no I was just shooting at some bushes . Of course that sounds stupid and he didn't believe me so he said " I'm going to walk out there and if I find one dead bird , snake , lizard or anything your going to jail . " This giant pissed off redneck goes walking around searching all through the bushes and the prickly pears really carefully , and I start to get scared as fuck . I started thinking what if I shot something on accident he's going to search my truck and find my drugs . After 20 mins or so he gave up and spent another 20 min lecturing me about firearm safety , for fun I think . It was super awkward .
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Psilynut2]
#27336186 - 06/05/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your mom gave you a shotgun while she was high on meth?
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27336210 - 06/05/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ya I see what your saying , the high on meth part works better at the beginning of the sentence . No my mom was a dickoholic , shitty boyfriends looking to take advantage of a girl with a good job was her problem .
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27336537 - 06/05/21 04:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Your mom gave you a shotgun while she was high on meth?
Nothing wrong with that. 2nd amendment remember?
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Psilynut2]
#27336644 - 06/05/21 06:42 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The edit fixed the problem, but I would lose the second "birthday."
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27336714 - 06/05/21 07:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Completely agree , thanks for the free editing advice . I was trying to convey one of the few joys to be had living in the desert as an irresponsible young man , receiving a free gun while higher than a giraffes ass on your birthday .
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Patlal]
#27336746 - 06/05/21 08:31 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with that. 2nd amendment remember?
You would think , but I already had a 12 gauge her ex husband gave me that I still have . I also had a drug problem that she knew about . Not your typical one though , I usually had a job and I was sober most of the time , I didn't and still don't really drink . But I sold allot of drugs and I had allot of friends that sold drugs too and eventually I would find myself doing drugs with them because it's super hard to resist free shit all the time , especially when girls are involved . All of my baller friends had guns and all of the people we sold drugs to rich and poor had guns also and most of those guns were given to everyone by other people . I have way more guns that were given to me as gifts than I have purchased . It's seems stupid , I live in a country that has so many guns in circulation people get tired of owning them and give them away like used baby stuff .
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Psilynut2]
#27336883 - 06/05/21 11:44 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Well, they generally are, but keep in mind that the SCOTUS hasn't taken up the issue yet. That leaves many courts across the country coming up with different and often conflicting standards. The bottom line here is that there is no real support for your claim that the 2nd doesn't apply to non-firearm weapons, and there is some support to the contrary. Is it an open question? Yes. That's why I have an issue with your certainty.
Alright, but is it even worth legalizing knives? I can make money off a shooting by selling someone a bullet, but how do I make money off a stabbing?
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Kryptos]
#27336906 - 06/06/21 12:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what you mean by "legalizing knives." Knives aren't illegal.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Enlil]
#27336952 - 06/06/21 01:15 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Legalizing knives to thew point of guns. Like, minimally restricted open carry type thing.
It's still illegal as fuck for me to walk around with my machete on my hip.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Kryptos]
#27337177 - 06/06/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Knives are way less regulated than guns, though. At least in the U.S.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Kryptos]
#27337194 - 06/06/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's still illegal as fuck for me to walk around with my machete on my hip.
I could be wrong but I think machetes are classified as agricultural tools and aren't subject to the same laws that regulate knives and swords . You may be able to walk around with it .
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Psilynut2]
#27337326 - 06/06/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wear a mini-machete when I'm in the woods and hills. I forgot to take it off and didn't notice until I was inside a dispensary. Nobody gave a flying fuck. Once I was fishing and a couple of park rangers snuck up on me. I stood and turned with my hand on my knife handle and they didn't even bat an eyelash. They just wanted to let me know that despite the fence line, I was on private property and while they didn't care, if the owner called the sheriff, the sheriff would come fuck with me. It matters where you are. The state of california requires that daggers be carried exposed while Los Angeles county requires that daggers be carried concealed. Very strange contradiction. I've never really been certain which law supercedes which.
As far as the ag tool argument goes, I think any knife can be a work tool. It depends a lot on what you say. If you admit that you carry a machete for self defense, it may become a dangerous weapon or whatever whereas if you claim it's a tool for work, the burden of proof lies on your accusers to prove otherwise. I could easily be wrong about that though.
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Jailbird420]
#27348720 - 06/15/21 03:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone seems to have this odd idea of what the 2nd Amendment is for. This was done on purpose by weapons manufacturers and given a voice through the NRA.
(NO) sorry NRA was not around when the second was written) and Everyone.... is kinda wrong too as everyone doesn't even agree with the color of the sky... and weapons manufacturers..were not back in those days either as they were usually a custom gunsmith type shop..not a factory.. Remington was the first and earliest U.S. gun maker... so again you are mistaken..
and read the quote stop at each comma and try to understand what it says.. IE.. the people is the key word and the other stuff is secondary..
Quote: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This one sentence is talking about the citizens' right to form a well-regulated Militia.
(NO) again you are wrong... the people don't form a a Militia.. they are the Militia.. they have no right to form anything they just have the right to arms...
It was designed for the citizens to form a militia to protect the state from invaders. Nope it give the people in the states the tools to protect their States from any dangers, invaders or criminals crooked cops native tribes overreaching gov.. etc
Since we had no standing army at the time, everyone was expected to participate in the militia. half true (only men) white land owners to be exact.. no women no blacks etc..
Well, fast-forward 200 years and we have a standing National Militia, a State Militia, and local militia in the form of police. You are free to join those if you have the need/desire to play with the big guns.
again Lots of people can't join those groups because they don't qualify... too fat, too old, too broken, too young,, don't want to do those jobs,,you're not saying all those people should be barred the ability to defend their family property and so forth..
If you’re not a part of a well-regulated militia, you have no need for any kind of semi-automatic weapon. You have no need for a car either you can walk or bike to work.. Why is a semi auto so problematic..I can shoot a pump just as fast as a semi or close enough to not make a difference to the target.. even a revolver can be shot extremely fast..just watch Jery Mitchlack.. and a Lever action can sling lead with semi auto speed too... someone is being brainwashed by the media....
Keep all the muskets and muzzleloaders your feeble little frame can carry for all I care.
You care about what GUNS are in the hands of good people, ya better wanta keep the second..since if we didn't have it, only the criminals police and the military would have guns...
You do not have a need for a semi-automatic weapon. some folks need them.. but need is not for you to decide..
As it stands now you can lose your right to arm yourself if the state so chooses. That proves that, as things are now, gun ownership is a privilege.
It just proved the state doesn't care about your human right and the right to defend your life with the most effective tools avai.
Our laws around weapons need a MAJOR overhaul.
No not really there are too many laws already and most are unenforceable anyway..do some research and you will see...
Here is my proposal that doesn’t violate the 2nd Amendment in any way:
All citizens can own, with little to no training; bows and cross-bows, muzzleloaders, single-shot shotguns, single-shot bolt-action rifles up to a caliber of ~.306 (the size of this caliber can be debated). The ability to own these weapons cannot be infringed unless you are convicted of a violent criminal offense. (as it stands now anyone convicted of any felony loses their gun rights)
Sorry..ain't ever gonna happen.. there are well over 650 million guns in the hands of Americans and they can be 3D printed and or welded and or machined out.. in hour's..the genie can't be put back in the bottle.. not to mention the Black market guns,,smuggled across the border along with the dope...and those ain't gonna be semi auto only..
All other weapons (especially semi-automatic ones) should be heavily regulated, and only those well trained to use them should be able to get the needed license to own them. Most people in an active militia can own most of these semi-automatic weapons, but once they are no longer in service they must turn their weapons in.
Sorry ain't gonna work.. maybe in Canada (but it didn't work there either since they scraped the registry..after spending a Billion dollars on it...LOL...
There are simple, common-sense ways to address our gun laws in the U.S. and still honor the 2nd Amendment. I agree,,and it's already in place...thousand of gun laws on the books and they keep pushing more..
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Re: Taking a new look at the 2nd [Re: Jailbird420]
#27348745 - 06/15/21 04:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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First off the 2nd amendment predates the first american firearms maker by 25 years so the idea it was written by weapons manufacturers is false.
Second I need a semiautomatic weapon because we have bears, coyotes and wild hogs and stopping to reload a musket while one is charging is stupid. I know it is hard for citybois to believe but there are large portions of the country where a gun is needed.
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It would be a lot more interesting if you had to reload a musket though.
I grew up in the country about 7 miles from the nearest "town" and I can't think of a single time where I needed a gun, as in, truly needed it. We had/have lots of them, but there wasn't a single time where a gun was more useful than the microwave. Sure the microwave is a lot less masculine, it's pretty hard to jerk off to, but when I needed warm food that microwave sure came through.
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Second I need a semiautomatic weapon because we have bears, coyotes and wild hogs and stopping to reload a musket while one is charging is stupid. I
Mmm coyotes ? I caught one in my yard trying to eat my chickens and I handled it with a hunting bow . Never felt like I needed a firearm for those things , a big stick will work . I've read a few studies that say bear spray is a better deterrent than a gun and after having one really close encounter with a large bear I think that's true . It may not feel like it , but bears move so fast if you don't kill it or scare it off on the first shot you probably won't get a second one , unless you have an auto of course . I wouldn't want an automatic firearm for bears though , I would prefer a revolver , something you know will work , you don't have to fuck around with a safety , autos just don't make sense for wildlife encounters . Anything besides a 223 is to heavy to lug around and that's not a very good bear bullet .
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