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#27300129 - 05/08/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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for the last year or so ive been fantasizing about creating a truly autonomous growing environment, meaning one that would allow me to put a fresh cake in, leave town for two weeks, and come home to a PHAT PHLUSH every time. i am not rolling in dough nor am i mechanically inclined, so i sought to come up with something budget friendly and also idiot proof. i think ive gotten pretty close.

i bought an inkbird humidity controller and a crane humidifier for almost $100 total. the rest of the stuff i already had lying around, namely a tub and a little piece of tubing.

the FAE happens passively. i poked holes every 5 cm, a row at the bottom and a roll at the top. the inkbird is set at 95% with a differential of 5%, meaning as soon as the rh drops below 90% it kicks on for a few minutes. this happens every 1-5 hours depending on ambient conditions. the humidifier is positioned outside the tub so it also contributes to the FAE. originally i had micropore tabe covering the bottom row of holes but i saw that my boys were stretching so i took off half of it. since then its been smooth sailing.

you may have noticed that the tub is upside down, so the lid acts as a tray and the body acts as a dome. i did this because i found it a bit tedious to lift cakes out of the tub and even worse to reach in and pick them out. i was often breaking off baby shrooms that i would have rather let mature. this way i just pull the tube out if its hole, pop the dome off like a fancy waiter, and harvest with ease.

so there ya have it. interested in anyones questions, comments, suggestions, tiddy pics, comparable projects, whatever. i throw myself at the mercy of the court.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27300135 - 05/08/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd bet you'd get the same results with the upside tub idea and no humidifier.
Tub n holes.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: mushboy]
#27300841 - 05/08/21 09:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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but then how would the tub stay humid?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings] 1
#27300847 - 05/08/21 09:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Probably from the hydrated substrate.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27300918 - 05/08/21 11:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301153 - 05/09/21 06:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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well yeah, for a while, but then the substrate dehydrates, and you have to spray it
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings] 2
#27301234 - 05/09/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This idea of an "automated" terrarium has been brought up by nearly every single person who has ever begun the mush journey, it's definitely not a new idea. I had the same idea when I was new.
The thing is that mono tubs are already automated terrariums. The hydrated substrate does an absolutely amazing job of creating the humid environment necessary for growing very robust flushes.
The holes provide passive air exchange, its pure genius.
If you know how to properly hydrate your substrate and you introduce clean spawn, you should not have to do anything else other than add a top layer of coir/verm. Spraying is seldom necessary unless you have a lot of ac/heater action in your room.
When you get enough tubs under your belt you see just how unnecessary electrical humidity devices really are.
Even with one of these devices attached to a tub your substrate will still shrink and lose water when you harvest mushrooms. Your water is being transported from the substrate to the fruits, the more the better as this is the metric for measuring your cultures efficiency. It has nothing to do with humidity.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301591 - 05/09/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This idea of an "automated" terrarium has been brought up by nearly every single person who has ever begun the mush journey, it's definitely not a new idea. I had the same idea when I was new.
i didnt say it was a new idea. im just documenting my method and results for whoever might be interested.
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mono tubs are already automated terrariums. Spraying is seldom necessary
a setup that "seldom" requires input is not autonomous. i wanted to build something that required zero monitoring or interaction except at harvest. since i grow in a space where ambient conditions are variable, this seemed like a good way to go.
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When you get enough tubs under your belt you see just how unnecessary electrical humidity devices really are.
once again, didnt say they were necessary. most of my growing has been done without one. personally i found this setup to be very fun and user friendly, which is why i posted it.
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Even with one of these devices attached to a tub your substrate will still shrink and lose water when you harvest mushrooms. Your water is being transported from the substrate to the fruits, the more the better as this is the metric for measuring your cultures efficiency. It has nothing to do with humidity.
not sure what point youre trying to make here. yes the mycelium transports water to the fruits and then needs to be rehydrated, which is why people soak. in this case the mycelium is kept hydrated by the humidifier and theres no harvest/soak/harvest cycle. i just pick off the mature fruits as they come, and the cake keeps churning out mushrooms until its spent.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301598 - 05/09/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go ahead and waste your time to try to prove us wrong man. This has been tried and found ineffective hundreds of times.
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AK1000 said: I have 40+ tubs running simultaneously right now and I just did my first flush harvest on all of them this week. I never once misted or fanned them. They just have pasty's ez dialed holes in them and THAT'S IT. The whole point of the monotub is to set and forget. I see so many posts of people constantly checking their tub. Just let them be, guys. No need to open the lids everyday and disturp the microclimate. All I did was make sure the room wasn't too hot on any warm day. I saw the first pins in 8-9 days and picked the last of the fruits last night at 18 days in. Everything happened with zero babysitting on my part. Just trust the process. That is all I wanted to say.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: tiptrippy]
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301614 - 05/09/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bakedbeings said: in this case the mycelium is kept hydrated by the humidifier and theres no harvest/soak/harvest cycle. i just pick off the mature fruits as they come, and the cake keeps churning out mushrooms until its spent.
I don't soak or spray between flushes, I rarely have room on my sub to have a second flush in most cases but even when I have a shitty flush I still don't soak or mist
Filthyknees has a thread about this, I'd look it up but I don't think it would matter anyways.
I realize that you're not using a full tub, but still. Glad that it worked for you but as mushboy said earlier, you will get the exact same results without the contraption.
Also keep in mind that we're not commenting for your sake alone, but for any new grower that reads this thread.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301717 - 05/09/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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you will get the exact same results without the contraption
well well...this all has me very curious. every tek ive ever read has involved soaking and spraying, but if you say you dont do either i guess i believe you. i just spawned some new cakes today, i guess i could do a side by side comparison - one in the autobot and one fending for itself, no spraying or soaking, and then compare total harvest...any input on how to set up the second cake?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301741 - 05/09/21 03:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why don't you do 50, because one isn't much of a sample.
We grow lots of mushrooms in these parts, we have no reason to lie to you.
The TC/mod up there that originally answered you literally has a massive ongoing thread about shoeboxes. Check it out, see for yourself.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: mushboy]
#27301782 - 05/09/21 03:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd bet you'd you will get the same results with the upside tub idea and no humidifier.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301797 - 05/09/21 03:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Why don't you do 50, because one isn't much of a sample.
We grow lots of mushrooms in these parts, we have no reason to lie to you.
The TC/mod up there that originally answered you literally has a massive ongoing thread about shoeboxes. Check it out, see for yourself.
not accusing anyone of lying, im just surprised to hear that you dont do anything to rehydrate your cakes. until building this contraption ive been following (more or less) bod's unbodified tek and he says "you may have to mist twice a day or once every few days or even not at all. I will sometimes bottom water by pouring water down the sides of the tub after the pins are in, and as always only mist if the surface needs it" so thats what ive been doing. it gets hot and dry here sometimes so i found myself misting quite often.
i have a chronic condition that ocassionally makes it difficult to get out of bed and tend to my tubs, so i built this thing. but if youre saying i dont need it, im intrigued.
im familiar with mushboys shoebox thread but i only read his OP about how he sets them up. i didnt see anything about not misting them. just to clarify: if i unplug the box and dont touch anything i will still see the same results? i dont need to modify it at all?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301822 - 05/09/21 04:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ah ok i see mushboys reply. well here goes nothing
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: tiptrippy]
#27301864 - 05/09/21 05:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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tiptrippy said: Go ahead and waste your time to try to prove us wrong man. This has been tried and found ineffective hundreds of times
i might well be wasting my time but im definitely not trying to prove anyone wrong. i like my setup but if everyone on this thread is telling me its dumb im down to try it their way and see what happens
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301886 - 05/09/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It may be less work for you in the long run to run a full size tub, have you considered it?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301907 - 05/09/21 05:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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when i first started bulk i was doing bigger tubs, but my quadriparesis made handling big batches of substrate a pain in the ass, so i started a little shoebox routine. i keep 4 jars going, use 3 to spawn a tub, and 1 to knock up the next 3. that means i usually have 2 or 3 shoeboxes fruiting, so i put them in 1 big tub
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301921 - 05/09/21 06:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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it went fine for a while but then we started getting some dry weather and i was misting a LOT, so i taped up some of the holes. but then the fruits started stretching so i took the tape back off and went back to regular misting. idk if i come off as defensive about my autobox but its the first time all year ive been able to sit back and chill until harvest. but i will be moving into a bigger place soon and want to expand my grow so im very keen on learning more
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27301941 - 05/09/21 06:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well if its easier for you then it's easier. We have a lot of able bodied people coming up with crack pot ideas. If you already have it dialed in and you're happy with it then whatever, just go with it.
You don't strike me as the sort of person that needs a bunch anyways.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27301982 - 05/09/21 06:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If your rig works for you then right on man. Aint no skin off anyone elses nose. Add semen to your petris if it makes you hot.
However, if you get proficient with your cultures and your space then you can run set-it & forget-it batches utilizing a multitude of setups.
Ive found dub tubs/shoe boxes are good for "spawn it and fuck off till harvest" style. A 66qt tub might take a bit longer to dial in.
Dnt let this rowdy buncha mongrols get to ya.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27302052 - 05/09/21 07:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol youre right that i dont need that much, but i enjoy sharing them and would always like to grow more, so i would like to try transcending the humidifier, OR plugging it into a bigger environment like a martha.
and you were still right to correct me because you told me something i didnt know and if you hadnt i might have gone and recommended this equipment to someone who didnt need it. now that im sharing my shrooms lots of people want to learn...until i start explaining pf tek and their eyes glaze over
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#27302056 - 05/09/21 07:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your best bet is a pasty tub. This will get you the most bang for your buck without too much effort. You could always get yourself a trusted helper for the heavy lifting ; )
Larger tubs equals more water which means more mushrooms, and less attention to maintenance. Just spawn your tub and walk away.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27302093 - 05/09/21 08:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk about this weird set up OP has here, but I follow a mycologist dude documenting his journey on Instagram and hes set up this killer automisting contraption and independent fae pump for some thiccc canopoys on some massive bulk subs.
The lad is an animal.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Nimpo]
#27302133 - 05/09/21 09:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you have a chronic condition and you are happy with the results you are getting because you can't tend to your grows that is priceless for your situation.
For relevance sake those that don't or haven't expressed a similar condition people are able to modify their tubs with either holes/micropore tape/flipping the lid the humidifier is not necessary.
Do whatever works for you! If you want to increase your yeild let us know what your limitations are and we can try to best assist you. You might already be maxing your growth with your given conditions.
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shroom cultivation isnt exactly crossfit - i can do most teks without a problem, but i found my way to this one by following the path of least resistance. shoeboxes are a bit easier than monotubs, hooking up this rig was a bit easier than misting, etcetera.
but that doesnt mean i cant try new shit or that ive maxed out my grow. now that i have a reliable supply of fruits, im free to explore other teks alongside it and compare. thanks for the tip about the pastybox, i hadnt seen it before. looks right up my alley. i havent read the whole thread but ill assume i wont be the first to fill it with shoeboxes instead of spawning it monotub style
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27302573 - 05/10/21 07:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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They make great fruiting chambers, I've used them for that application many times. They obviously make great tubs as well.
I've even used small mini mono sweater box's as a fruiting chamber for individual shoeboxes.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27316837 - 05/20/21 07:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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i turned the humidifier off 10 days ago. rh% floated between 70 and 85, with myc looking very happy. yesterday the weather changed and the rh% started to dip into the 60's. today i saw the edges looking dry so i turned it back on.

im not shocked because i made the tub to coexist with the humidifier. it had a LOT of air holes and a lot of extra space (so id always have room for another cake if it was ready). but im happy to see that it kinda worked for a bit and im thinking ill try this again with a smaller tub with less holes.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
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Bakedbeings said: for the last year or so ive been fantasizing about creating a truly autonomous growing environment, meaning one that would allow me to put a fresh cake in, leave town for two weeks, and come home to a PHAT PHLUSH every time.
Isn't this basically a monotub?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Con]
#27317153 - 05/21/21 06:33 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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can be. read the thread.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27317190 - 05/21/21 07:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have you ever got a phat flush doing this?
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bodhisatta]
#27317310 - 05/21/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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i suppose phat is subjective but by my rookie standards, sure. april was my first time running this iteration of the box (there have been a few), and in that time i harvested about 5.5 oz from about 2.25L of spawn (those are rough numbers...i suck at documenting)


heres what i currently have leftover from that batch. as you can see i flip flopped on how to harvest. sometimes i just picked the ripest fruits and sometimes i cleaned off the whole cake at one time, babies and all. idk whats better but im leaning towards the former
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bodhisatta]
#27317395 - 05/21/21 11:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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i should add that when i first started buying this stuff it was my hope to eventually get a greenhouse going. i was watching a bunch of the astro way videos on youtube. now im torn between having one big grow environment like a martha and a bunch of individual ones
hmmmmm....
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27318103 - 05/21/21 10:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Greenhouses or Martha's are legit, however for cubes they aren't needed. They do t require the large amount of fae pans, oysters ect need so a monotub is ideal. The reason people discourage it especially for newbies is that it adds an unneeded layer of complicationand can be counter productive.
Yours looks good it's basically a standard Martha setup inside a tub. That being said you should try it side.by side with a standard mono I think you would like the results the mono gives, the chamber you built could them be used for oysters or lionsmaine or even pans.
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
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Bakedbeings said: i should add that when i first started buying this stuff it was my hope to eventually get a greenhouse going. i was watching a bunch of the astro way videos on youtube. now im torn between having one big grow environment like a martha and a bunch of individual ones
hmmmmm....

I kind of do a mix of both with mine and ive got to say so far the ones ive just left alone, left the lids on and didnt mess with at all til I saw fruits ready for harvest have done much better than the ones ive tried to fuck with or what have u. The ones ive been leaving the lids off of have been doing better since my martha has actually been full of shoeboxes rather than just 2 or 3 at a time so I think it really depends on what volume youre working with because the more mycel you have the more of their own conditions they make
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: Ashtray161]
#27318433 - 05/22/21 07:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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right now i have the tub sorta 'semi unplugged' by which i mean the humidifier only kicks on if the RH goes below 60. with these two cakes in there thats barely happening, maybe every couple days. once i put in a third cake it might not happen at all
this thread is funny because im simultaneously learning how unecessary humidifiers are AND appreciating mine more and more for these two reasons: my shroom box sits right next to my wide open balcony and ambient conditions are changing drastically but my little cakes are blissfully unaware, and theres no myc:tub volume ratio i have to maintain for this to work. one cake is just as happy as three because the RH will never escape a set range
having said that, i have plans to go wireless and i already know what i want to try first, its just going to be a while because i have to order stuff and also start a new grain master and also procrastinate
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Re: autonomous terrarium concept [Re: bakedbeings]
#27318443 - 05/22/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're using a automated humidifier you might have as well fruit the cubes open air without a fruiting chamber. It's easy to grow cubes on a table with no fruiting chamber at all if you can mist them 4-6 times a day but most people work. If you just put a bag over it with some holes for the 8+ hours youre gone and also while you sleep you can grow cubes on your countertops
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