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 Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be.   2
#27296728 - 05/06/21 08:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Its well known that if you drink too much alcohol for too long, in many cases there are personality changes. People tend to become more selfish, more criminal, more responsibility dodging, more inappropriately emotional, and increasimngly unable to hold their lives together.
I'm seeing this up close with someone whos been a friend for almost 3 decades.
Its painful, you just see him sliding down, losing GF after GF basically over booze and the associated lifestyle..
Its really sad to see.
They say speed kills but alcohol straight up demolishes people.
They don't tell you that, that if you drink too much its fine in your teens, ok in your 20s, not so cool in your 30s and straight up fucked in your 40s and beyond.
It takes you apart, it literally deconstructs your body and mind.
He has GI pain because of the alcohol irritation chronically fucking with his stomach and intestines.
The way he reacts to alcohol, changes.
He drinks 4-8 half liters and gets straight up bonkers or even has a blackout. He is a lifelong drinker and I a lifelong almost nondrinker and I've drank him into a blackout before where I was nicely messed up and he was -gone-, -blotto-.
His focus kind of comes apart. When he drinks lots sometimes he has an almost lightly psychotic vibe to him, he is really inching towards getting deliriums.
His body suffers, his mind suffers, his social life suffers, he quit his job basically.
This sucks. Very much.
Who can relate?
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296733 - 05/06/21 08:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Well I guess it's the path I'll be taking if I don't stop drinking.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Patlal]
#27296739 - 05/06/21 08:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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hefty dose of LSD-25 will correct that wholeheartedly
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296742 - 05/06/21 08:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have a friend who's been going in this direction for years. He entered rehab at one point, but he's fallen back into it...he's not the guy I used to know.
I'll go over to see him sometimes, and you'd think 2 friends who don't see each other often would wanna engage...but every time I arrive, he's already got the same TV shows on, and the same big ass mug he's drinking beer from in his hand. He'll greet me, we'll do the "how've you been"...but anything beyond that is met with a head nod, or a "yes/no". Then he goes right back to staring at the TV...
I dislike that I avoid hanging out with him, but I can't sit through that...I've done it way too many times. I've told him all of this several times...but he doesn't seem to care.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Kinko] 1
#27296748 - 05/06/21 08:43 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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hefty dose of LSD-25 will correct that wholeheartedly
It didnt. People need to want to quit.
1234go  thats further down that sad road.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Kinko]
#27296753 - 05/06/21 08:46 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I can't relate to that extent of alcoholism but I have never seen alcohol truly help any situation especially when I go through periods of drinking all the time. It truly is a vicious cycle with horrible withdrawal symptoms, the lesser ones include not being able to sleep, feeling incredibly anxious all the time, and being incredibly jittery and almost manic. Then even when you stop you don't stop really wanting a drink
People are often surprised when I tell them that I think alcohol is by far the worst drug, because it's always a poison no matter how much you drink. Other drugs have some kind of medical purpose even if they're addictive, and sometimes it's just the lifestyle/lengths people will go to get their fix that kills them rather than the drug itself. With alcohol it is a slow painful death. It wrecks your fucking body/organs too
terrible that it is legal. turns you into a moron too that feels like a suave motherfucker but is really just embarrassing. of course sometimes it actually does make one more likable but that has diminishing returns the deeper you get. some places have laws that you have to buy x amount of alcohol in order to buy any, like at least 80 ounces or something rather than just a couple cans. undoubtably a scheme to keep poor ppl drunk and buying more, I cannot think of a different reason for that.
I think LSD can help but it is kind of like getting arrested or going to rehab or therapy or something. it really does torture you and make you realize whether you want to or not how much time you've wasted and how important/valuable that time really was. definitely scares you into wanting to change, but after the LSD has worn off it is still just as difficult and requires unconditional love and a shit ton of effort to get out of it
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: jdawg333]
#27296775 - 05/06/21 09:04 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I used to drink nonstop in highschool and early college years.. but now, just occassionally. I fucked up my guts because of it and a still suffer to this day. But now my GERD and acid reflux disorder has become manageable unlike before. Yes people need to wanna quit to quit.
How about lace them booze with some ergot. Or psilocybin extracts. Mehehehe
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: pablokabute]
#27296794 - 05/06/21 09:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Does he have spiritual inclination? If there is some awakening it may battle against the damage. As said though, some bottom may have to be hit, a final reckoning of the pain in death, or renewal.
I also think of the drug therapy out that apparently stops the effect of alcohol, making it much easier to quit. Has anyone had experience with it?
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296805 - 05/06/21 09:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Going through your history, I see that you were a chronic drug abuser. Do you ever wonder what that’s done to your personality?
As people get older they become less willing to humor others. Interactions seem less worthwhile and personal beliefs have calcified to the point where listening to others elicits more frustration than anything else. Maybe your friends just want to be left alone?
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: syncro] 1
#27296818 - 05/06/21 09:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ya people need to.want to quit. And it's hard to make someone want to. What I've seen,you can suggestthis or that.the only thing,YOUcan give to someone struggling with substance abuse is love. And hopefully that will help them make the right choices.
I've lost and almost lost alot of people in my life because of substance abuse, I almost lost myself. Hiking, rehab, meditation, art, nonewill do a person good if they haven't found the reason to change for. The love to change for. Now this could be a thing,in my opinion,but in my experience, it's usually a person or a relationship.
and the wheel just keeps turning really, my uncle just got out of rehab for alcohol,everyone's worried about him. And luckily in a way my dad was a dope head and I got into drugs young, I was able to help my dada lot with substanceabusecause we've always been pretty open in my family. My uncle's kids,who area bit oldereven, were always little more sheltered,and in a house where you just dont talk about drugs,you dont talk about pot, you dont even talk about your real problems, and you would never dare question your parents drinking habits.
And honestly idk if my dad would have made it if me and my siblings weren't there to help him,with wholehearted andunderstaning.
Much unlike my grandparents who would love to turn a blind eye, were iggnorantin there own rights as far as substances go, and truly have no understanding of substances in general.
I think to often people in recovery percieveinwardstowardstheyre own group thought patterns,which can be super detrimental. But even just by looking at root causes and the ripples that follow, substance abuse is alot more simple than people thwith depression. Also alot more common, whether that bealcohol, perscriptions,heroin, mdmaor nitrous. Usually goes hand and hand withdepression.
No one WANTS to live a life enslaved to a mind, enslaved to substances. The substances change your brains chemistry. And alot of people use for fun, then use to stay normal.thays where the problems arise
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296823 - 05/06/21 09:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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it's a tragic reality many people face, both the imbiber and the associate.
I wish there was an answer.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: GnashingGnosis]
#27296837 - 05/06/21 10:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Going through your history, I see that you were a chronic drug abuser. Do you ever wonder what that’s done to your personality?
Welcome back.
Yes I know what my use of drugs has done to my psyche. The good things and the bad things.
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As people get older they become less willing to humor others. Interactions seem less worthwhile and personal beliefs have calcified to the point where listening to others elicits more frustration than anything else. Maybe your friends just want to be left alone?
He's welcome to fuck off at this point. If that's what he wants I won't even argue and even hold the door open for him.
If his increasing antisocial deterioration has reached the point he's no longer interested in being friends he can fuck. right. off.
Theres always been a discrepancy in what I did for him and what he did for me. Not just wasn't my generosity met with generosity in kind, he deteriorated from passive mooching to active mooching.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296846 - 05/06/21 10:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Going through your history, I see that you were a chronic drug abuser. Do you ever wonder what that’s done to your personality?
Welcome back.
Yes I know what my use of drugs has done to my psyche. The good things and the bad things.
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As people get older they become less willing to humor others. Interactions seem less worthwhile and personal beliefs have calcified to the point where listening to others elicits more frustration than anything else. Maybe your friends just want to be left alone?
He's welcome to fuck off at this point. If that's what he wants I won't even argue and even hold the door open for him.
If his increasing antisocial deterioration has reached the point he's no longer interested in being friends he can fuck. right. off.
Theres always been a discrepancy in what I did for him and what he did for me. Not just wasn't my generosity met with generosity in kind, he deteriorated from passive mooching to active mooching.
be honest, try again. you could be the one to save him.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante]
#27296851 - 05/06/21 10:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said:
He's welcome to fuck off at this point. If that's what he wants I won't even argue and even hold the door open for him.
If his increasing antisocial deterioration has reached the point he's no longer interested in being friends he can fuck. right. off.
Theres always been a discrepancy in what I did for him and what he did for me. Not just wasn't my generosity met with generosity in kind, he deteriorated from passive mooching to active mooching.
I think that’s a perfectly reasonable response. I wouldn’t take it so personal if I were you. Like you’ve acknowledged, physiological changes have probably occurred that changed your friend.
We are meat not spirit. The scars are real and everlasting.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Asante] 2
#27296856 - 05/06/21 10:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said:
He's welcome to fuck off at this point. If that's what he wants I won't even argue and even hold the door open for him.
If his increasing antisocial deterioration has reached the point he's no longer interested in being friends he can fuck. right. off.
Theres always been a discrepancy in what I did for him and what he did for me. Not just wasn't my generosity met with generosity in kind, he deteriorated from passive mooching to active mooching.
You know I had a friend who wouldn't quit coke. Even after I lwt him stay at my house because he had nowhere to go,because of coke, until he moved back home. But eventually he came back to town,after promising me to quit,then continues to do it in front of me like nothing,pressurethose around me to do it, and ask for weed andfavors constantly because he would spend his money on coke.
At one point I had to cut him off, like alot of my old friends. All I was foing wasplaying into his shit,like everything's fine. You know I've always thought it's a little different with friends,and maybe I've gotten lucky with my family,they seem to hearmore,but they're older too idk. But it's like what do you do whenitsyourparents or kids? Can you give up? What about when it's a friend you've had for a decade or more..?
I had to cut it off.i felt like I enabled more then he listened. As if me checking on him,like normal,made him feel like the wrong things he was doing was normal.
Not only was I feeling disrespected,and like I was losing my friends,but in a sad reality,I was losing interesting who he was becoming.
I haven't hung out with people who haven't appreciated me or myself in a few years almost now,and I hang put with alot less people,and do a bit less in general, but I've never been happier. And I think it was huge for me. I knew the people I has grown to love so much, and I watched them go,and triedeverything I could to help.
You can lead a horse to water,you can't make him drink.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: QM33]
#27296878 - 05/06/21 11:00 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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You know I had a friend who wouldn't quit coke. Even after I lwt him stay at my house because he had nowhere to go,because of coke, until he moved back home. But eventually he came back to town,after promising me to quit,then continues to do it in front of me like nothing,pressurethose around me to do it, and ask for weed andfavors constantly because he would spend his money on coke.
At one point I had to cut him off, like alot of my old friends. All I was foing wasplaying into his shit,like everything's fine. You know I've always thought it's a little different with friends,and maybe I've gotten lucky with my family,they seem to hearmore,but they're older too idk. But it's like what do you do whenitsyourparents or kids? Can you give up? What about when it's a friend you've had for a decade or more..?
I had to cut it off.i felt like I enabled more then he listened. As if me checking on him,like normal,made him feel like the wrong things he was doing was normal.
Not only was I feeling disrespected,and like I was losing my friends,but in a sad reality,I was losing interesting who he was becoming.
I haven't hung out with people who haven't appreciated me or myself in a few years almost now,and I hang put with alot less people,and do a bit less in general, but I've never been happier. And I think it was huge for me. I knew the people I has grown to love so much, and I watched them go,and triedeverything I could to help.
You can lead a horse to water,you can't make him drink.
Great post. +1
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: QM33]
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Asante said:
He's welcome to fuck off at this point. If that's what he wants I won't even argue and even hold the door open for him.
If his increasing antisocial deterioration has reached the point he's no longer interested in being friends he can fuck. right. off.
Theres always been a discrepancy in what I did for him and what he did for me. Not just wasn't my generosity met with generosity in kind, he deteriorated from passive mooching to active mooching.
You can lead a horse to water,you can't make him drink.
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: 1234go]
#27298215 - 05/07/21 07:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have a friend who's been going in this direction for years. He entered rehab at one point, but he's fallen back into it...he's not the guy I used to know.
I'll go over to see him sometimes, and you'd think 2 friends who don't see each other often would wanna engage...but every time I arrive, he's already got the same TV shows on, and the same big ass mug he's drinking beer from in his hand. He'll greet me, we'll do the "how've you been"...but anything beyond that is met with a head nod, or a "yes/no". Then he goes right back to staring at the TV...
I dislike that I avoid hanging out with him, but I can't sit through that...I've done it way too many times. I've told him all of this several times...but he doesn't seem to care.
Follow up:
This friend of mine messaged me last night, and asked if I had plans, and if I wanted to hang this weekend...which translates to "wanna come over to my house and watch tv"
Anyway, I said I was considering camping, but if he wanted to get some beers, and head to the park for a few hours...I'd be down. Or maybe an overnight camping thing...
Silence, no response...I know for a fact if I would've just said "yes" he would've responded immediately. He won't leave his house. 
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: 1234go]
#27298221 - 05/07/21 07:54 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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1234go said:
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1234go said:
I have a friend who's been going in this direction for years. He entered rehab at one point, but he's fallen back into it...he's not the guy I used to know.
I'll go over to see him sometimes, and you'd think 2 friends who don't see each other often would wanna engage...but every time I arrive, he's already got the same TV shows on, and the same big ass mug he's drinking beer from in his hand. He'll greet me, we'll do the "how've you been"...but anything beyond that is met with a head nod, or a "yes/no". Then he goes right back to staring at the TV...
I dislike that I avoid hanging out with him, but I can't sit through that...I've done it way too many times. I've told him all of this several times...but he doesn't seem to care.
Follow up:
This friend of mine messaged me last night, and asked if I had plans, and if I wanted to hang this weekend...which translates to "wanna come over to my house and watch tv"
Anyway, I said I was considering camping, but if he wanted to get some beers, and head to the park for a few hours...I'd be down. Or maybe an overnight camping thing...
Silence, no response...I know for a fact if I would've just said "yes" he would've responded immediately. He won't leave his house.
So when you do drop by to kick it with him...what does he watch on TV?
Shows on Netflix or Hulu or something? Movies? Maury Povich? The View?
Inquiring minds would like to know, because perhaps one day I would like to go over to his place of residence and consume alcohol beverages and watch his television
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Re: Chronic alcohol abuse turning friends into sad remnants of who they used to be. [Re: Niffla]
#27298234 - 05/07/21 08:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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For the most part, he watches a lot of the same stuff I do, but he watches them again, and again, and again...and again...
Star Wars (including all the cartoons like clone wars, and rebels - which I don't really enjoy)
Dragonball Z
Stand up comedy
For a while he went through a comedy bang bang/chris gethard show phase...which I really enjoyed...the first 18 times I saw them.
If he plays music, it's only Turbonegro or CKY...
Turbonegro is alright, they're fun...but once again. He beats everything to death.
90% of the time it's gonna be dragonball z or starwars rebels...the same 2 or 3 episodes
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