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psihlo
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Cleaning products
#27262600 - 03/20/21 10:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey everyone. I’m new to the forum and figured some of the experts could help me out with a contamination problem I’m having. So I’ve tried growing a few times and even have a nice little modified shelving set up with plastic liner around so no air can get in now. Even with all the precautions I’m still having contam problems. My question is what cleaning products do you use? I’ve seen bleach solution but is there anything better? I just took off the liner that was on it and am replacing I want to hit every surface with a solid cleaning and would like to avoid bleach if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: psihlo] 1
#27262609 - 03/20/21 10:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Home depot sells a product called "incide" that is great for growing. It's ammonia based, my contam rates have gone way way down since I started using it.
Also, being a new grower, examine your technique to ensure that's not where your contamination is coming from.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Justweed] 1
#27262612 - 03/20/21 10:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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iso and bleach not really anything else need except some water.
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psihlo
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: kanemush]
#27262618 - 03/20/21 11:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’ll go pick some of that up thanks for the tip
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: psihlo]
#27262653 - 03/21/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jst make sure you dilute it way the fuck down. Not only is it horribly acidic, but it's actually a mix of a powder w/water. Which (at least in my mind) points out the greater possibility of there being residue left behind. And i knw for a fact it can be a bitch to get it all off plastic.
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If you're using bleach and getting contamination I'd reexamine your process. That stuff is kryptonite to anything organic. Personally if I get any contamination it's either from a syringe or transfer.
You said a modified shelving setup. Any pictures or a better description? Are you saying you think air is the issue? What tek e.g tubs, shoeboxes? Do they have lids on them? When are contaminants showing themselves? Did you use agar? Isolate mycelium? Vectors of contamination are you, air, water, spores, and tools. We need more info to narrow down your problem.
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It might be the pressure cooker I was using cuz I left water in there and some mold grew (I cleaned it the best I could but there was some calcification or something). Anyway I just got a new one that gets to the proper psi so that might eliminate it. I turn the fan off for a while before inoculating or anything and I’m trying the popcorn method. I’m making a new glove box right now and redid the plastic on the shelves. Hopefully that got rid of any mold hanging around. Can i just use isopropyl in a spray bottle instead of bleach? Bleach just lingers in the air for a long time and left crusty shit all over my work area id rather use iso if i can get the same results. Heres the new set up I sealed it up better.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: psihlo] 1
#27272622 - 03/28/21 04:52 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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psihlo said: I’m making a new glove box right now and redid the plastic on the shelves...
Glove box could be the problem. Lose the gloves and make it a SAB, much more effective.
The gloves create air currents inside the box and disturb contams. With a SAB still air let's gravity take contams to the SAB floor and you keep the work area contam free with proper technique and careful movements.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Zakkery]
#27272623 - 03/28/21 04:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushrooms need air to grow.
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psihlo
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Are you referring to the enclosure?
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Zakkery]
#27273272 - 03/28/21 02:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right on I’ll give it a try, thanks
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: psihlo]
#27276794 - 03/31/21 07:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said: Jst make sure you dilute it way the fuck down. Not only is it horribly acidic, but it's actually a mix of a powder w/water. Which (at least in my mind) points out the greater possibility of there being residue left behind. And i knw for a fact it can be a bitch to get it all off plastic.
Are you talking about incide? Incide comes as a liquid, you don't dilute it according to the label, and the only residue I've noticed is it leaves kind of a soapy residue that wipes off with a paper towel.
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psihlo said: It might be the pressure cooker I was using cuz I left water in there and some mold grew (I cleaned it the best I could but there was some calcification or something). Anyway I just got a new one that gets to the proper psi so that might eliminate it. I turn the fan off for a while before inoculating or anything and I’m trying the popcorn method. I’m making a new glove box right now and redid the plastic on the shelves. Hopefully that got rid of any mold hanging around. Can i just use isopropyl in a spray bottle instead of bleach? Bleach just lingers in the air for a long time and left crusty shit all over my work area id rather use iso if i can get the same results. Heres the new set up I sealed it up better.
You had mold grow in your PC with just water in there? That's not really a thing as long as your water wasn't from a puddle and you boiled it for 10 minutes or so. It's possible you saw some metal/calcium floating on top of the water. That box is way too big...The bigger your box, the more contam spores are hanging out in it on the walls/top. Most people use a 30-40 gallon clear tote for a SAB. Also, rubbing alcohol needs rubbing for it to work well. You gotta spray then wipe it. Not the case with bleach.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Justweed]
#27276935 - 03/31/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Justweed said: Also, rubbing alcohol needs rubbing for it to work well. You gotta spray then wipe it. Not the case with bleach.
Sorry man, I'm gonna call you out on that one! It's called rubbing alcohol because it was used for massages when it first came out. It kills by dehydrating (it has a high affinity for water) and is very effective on bacteria, etc... because it penetrates the cell membrane and just sucks the life out of 'em. No rubbing needed, just a little time. It isn't as effective against endospores due to the fact that spores have a hardened coat and already have very little water.
You can watch it in action under a microscope. Add just a drop of alcohol to whatever living sample you are viewing and you can watch the cells just shrivel up and fall apart.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Justweed]
#27297045 - 05/06/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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No that is just the area I keep the jars and now shoebox mono tub. The glove box is just big enough for grain jars and a little room to move things around. I finally got 2 jars to fully colonize and now have them in small mono tubs looking pretty good so far.
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Re: Cleaning products [Re: Zakkery]
#27297054 - 05/06/21 01:39 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zakkery said:
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psihlo said: I’m making a new glove box right now and redid the plastic on the shelves...
Glove box could be the problem. Lose the gloves and make it a SAB, much more effective.
The gloves create air currents inside the box and disturb contams. With a SAB still air let's gravity take contams to the SAB floor and you keep the work area contam free with proper technique and careful movements.

Glove boxes are more trouble than theyre worth w cubes. I couldnt get a clean plate w a glove box, since I switched to a SAB (im still having problems mind you, a SAB doesnt fix me being a newb) ive had WAY less contams.
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I use Lysol spray can and 70% isopropyl alcohol to gas my SAB and spray a towel underneath wire racks with Palmolive dissolved in water to keep everything clean in there.
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Shakedown Street said: gas my SAB
its a still air box not a gas chamber. some people have turned their sabs into bombs that explode because of the vapor buildup and red hot tools/open flames.
sterile work is achieved from STILL air not clean air. still air box. not lysoled air box.
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#27297696 - 05/06/21 08:52 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Shakedown Street said: gas my SAB
its a still air box not a gas chamber. some people have turned their sabs into bombs that explode because of the vapor buildup and red hot tools/open flames.
sterile work is achieved from STILL air not clean air. still air box. not lysoled air box.
I actually had a stupid inflatable glove box explode on me (it was more of a....fire ball pop?) from this very thing. Ruined all the grain bags I was about to knck up. I was about to put spores stra8 to grain thou so likely woulda been trash either way
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Okay, to mist my SAB.... before getting naked and taking a shower to get myself clean.
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