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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27295950 - 05/05/21 06:10 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: The vaccine will be a good test. If it makes you feel sick you probably had covid.
Well damn.
I've hung out with people with covid and never gotten it. ( of course I quarantined after)
But if that's the case- if I full out made out with someone found to have covid a few days later do I REALLY need the vax?
I'm about to call the doctor and tell them to send the vax to India on my behalf./
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27295954 - 05/05/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm seeing how likely it is you had covid in December 2019. TBH, I'm more doubtful since you didn't seem to get my question.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker]
#27295962 - 05/05/21 06:14 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lung study tissues from deaths in SEPTEMBER of 2019 already show that the "covid" bag was already opened WAY BEFORE the USA and mainstream media go on the "bandwagon"
Some experts agree that covid was circulating as early as August 2019-
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27295971 - 05/05/21 06:18 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ridic results are the norm. Show me a good study that supports this and I'll eat my words.
The idea that a highly contagious and super obvious disease was circulating without notice is kind of pushing it. I know folks want to believe it, but the burden of proof is massively on the fantasists.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker]
#27295979 - 05/05/21 06:23 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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LeafRaker said: Ridic results are the norm. Show me a good study that supports this and I'll eat my words.
The idea that a highly contagious and super obvious disease was circulating without notice is kind of pushing it. I know folks want to believe it, but the burden of proof is massively on the fantasists.
By the time it reached the level to be even NOTICED as a highly contagious disease the cat had already been out of the bag for months.
Do you think covid just "escaped the lab" or was contracted and immidiately became a worldwide pandemic?
No- just do the math Covid was around wayyyyyy before December 2019. Like I said a medical journal posted a study where covid was found in the lung tissues of someone who died months before December 2019.
I can't find the article- but what does it even matter if I had covid way back in late 2019 or not?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27295982 - 05/05/21 06:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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And of course by the time around mid march 2020 Trump finally took things half asses seriously he had already put millions of lives on the line because of the democratic conspiracy to steal the election because of covid.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27295984 - 05/05/21 06:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oops sorry I'll keep it on topic. I just got excited/upset. Carry on.
Get vaccinated folks- !
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Anonymous] 1
#27296006 - 05/05/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The flu isn't a communicable disease. Covid-19 is right now.
Most people think communicable means transferable. But that's completely wrong. It refers to the fact the disease needs to be communicated to health officials because of it's consequences. Not that it's something that transfers between people. Being more transmissible and deadly than "the flu" means the comparison you made isn't really valid at all.

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Communicable diseases are illnesses caused by viruses or bacteria that people spread to one another through contact with contaminated surfaces, bodily fluids, blood products, insect bites, or through the air. There are many examples of communicable diseases.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Fiery]
#27296039 - 05/05/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Show me the bodies or I'm chalking this up to faith and nothing else.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27296043 - 05/05/21 06:58 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The flu isn't a communicable disease. Covid-19 is right now.
Most people think communicable means transferable. But that's completely wrong. It refers to the fact the disease needs to be communicated to health officials because of it's consequences. Not that it's something that transfers between people. Being more transmissible and deadly than "the flu" means the comparison you made isn't really valid at all.

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Communicable diseases are illnesses caused by viruses or bacteria that people spread to one another through contact with contaminated surfaces, bodily fluids, blood products, insect bites, or through the air. There are many examples of communicable diseases.

Non-communicable diseases are things like cancer and other conditions without an infectious agent. There are multiple ways to get an infectious agent, like foodborne, airbone, sexually transmitted, etc., but nothing like that exists for say, testicular cancer.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker] 2
#27296046 - 05/05/21 06:59 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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That post by bodhisatta mysteriously disappeared.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27296049 - 05/05/21 07:02 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably a good thing. Maybe he actually *is* on the path to Buddhahood???
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27296050 - 05/05/21 07:02 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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He’s thinking of reportable diseases
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods] 1
#27296058 - 05/05/21 07:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I actually heard some epidemiologist or doctor on NPR say the same thing he said yesterday, that the term communicable was created in the midst of early 20th century epidemics to refer to symptoms you were supposed to communicate with health authorities, since there was no mechanism for testing. I has always assumed it meant contagious disease. To be fair, I did not fact check that claim from NPR, but I definitely heard the same claim he made. Now that I look it up it seems that either that person on NPR was pulling shit out of their ass or that the meaning has shifted over time, since the kinds of diseases considered "communicable" under the definition "should be communicated to health authorities" are inevitably the kinds of diseases that are contagious.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27296064 - 05/05/21 07:09 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I actually heard some epidemiologist or doctor on NPR say the same thing he said yesterday, that the term communicable was created in the midst early 20th century epidemics to refer to symptoms you were supposed to communicate with health authorities, since there was no mechanism for testing. I has always assumed it meant contagious disease. To be fair, I did not fact check that claim from NPR, but I definitely heard the same claim he made.
Interesting. It's worth noting that major news media are almost never the ultimate authority on anything.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: LeafRaker]
#27296070 - 05/05/21 07:15 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I actually heard some epidemiologist or doctor on NPR say the same thing he said yesterday, that the term communicable was created in the midst early 20th century epidemics to refer to symptoms you were supposed to communicate with health authorities, since there was no mechanism for testing. I has always assumed it meant contagious disease. To be fair, I did not fact check that claim from NPR, but I definitely heard the same claim he made.
Interesting. It's worth noting that major news media are almost never the ultimate authority on anything.
Of course not. I do tend to trust media that is primarily supported by donors rather than marketers more in general, though.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27296071 - 05/05/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Happy birthday, koods.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse] 1
#27296078 - 05/05/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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communicable disease noun Save Word To save this word, you'll need to log in. Log In plural communicable diseases Definition of communicable disease : an infectious disease (such as cholera, hepatitis, influenza, malaria, measles, or tuberculosis) that is transmissible by contact with infected individuals or their bodily discharges or fluids (such as respiratory droplets, blood, or semen), by contact with contaminated surfaces or objects, by ingestion of contaminated food or water, or by direct or indirect contact with disease vectors (such as mosquitoes, fleas, or mice) NOTE: The terms communicable disease and contagious disease are often used interchangeably. However, communicable diseases such as malaria or schistosomiasis that are spread by contact with disease vectors are not typically considered to be "contagious" diseases since they cannot be spread from direct contact with another person. First Known Use of communicable disease 1785, in the meaning defined above
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27296085 - 05/05/21 07:27 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah I mean I looked it up just now too, but I'd be lying if I said I might not have potentially made the same mistaken claim based solely on having heard it made by an organization I tend to trust
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: ManianFH]
#27296260 - 05/05/21 10:02 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psion said: yes?
So, I was actually expecting a no here, so I could then judge you for, well you know being such a stickler for one vaccine but not getting another.
Instead of admitting this is a full backfire I am just going to, um,..

lol
to be fair, the flu vaccines are less effective as a whole due to the sheer number of variants, the flu is less deadly and infectious than covid, and just as important a factor... it costs money if you don't have insurance. not a ton of money, no, but when you're flat out broke like much of america, even 20-40$ is very unaffordable when you're typically living paycheck to paycheck with less than 1$ in your bank account after bills are accounted for - and these are costs that are needed to be done once a year for the uninsured. obamacare really helps address this issue, of course, which includes myself - but it doesn't address other issues, such as the cost of transportation getting to the doctor, or making time for seeing them when poor people often work multiple jobs, or finding/paying someone to take care of the kids while they get their shot at the doctor. my doctor thankfully is able and willing to just give the shot while doing a general wellness check, so it's something that's just another two minutes added onto a visit i already am doing anyways.
so flu shots are a bit more forgivable on wiggle room for skipping for the general population for various reasons, because of their lower efficacy, the burden of cost to the poor, and the overall lower deadliness of the disease - but if there was a flu vaccine invented that worked on all flu viruses with extreme efficiency, and provided at no cost to the population with extremely low chances of serious side effects (like pretty much all vaccines?)? yeah, i'd say that would be unethical for people to skip it unless they had seriously good reasons not to, such as compromised immune systems that wouldn't build antibodies if given the shot, or some strange genetic mutation that would cause a serious allergic reaction if given the shot.
it's not like ethics is a black and white picture, or even shades of grey after all. theres entire dimensions and colors to it, including those you can't even perceive yet must accept exist.
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