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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27293546 - 05/04/21 10:15 AM (5 days, 25 minutes ago)

Theres overwhelming evidence that all people alive now have been dead before.

Its a bit absurd to believe that de Dead you were 10 billion years ago, before the solar system, is a different kind of death than the one in 10 billion years from now, when the solar system isnt there too.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27293648 - 05/04/21 11:52 AM (4 days, 22 hours ago)

in a very large cosmic time scale context, one misses all the moment to moment interaction.

it is worth a peak, a poem, a song, but not worth too much dwelling upon.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27293693 - 05/04/21 12:17 PM (4 days, 22 hours ago)

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Theres overwhelming evidence that all people alive now have been dead before.
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Tibetans think reincarnation so obvious they would wonder why you bother to proclaim an opinion.

Western scientists think reincarnation so stupid they would wonder why you bother to proclaim a dogmatic opinion.

But on the Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum we know dogmatism makes the world go 'round!


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27294236 - 05/04/21 05:53 PM (4 days, 16 hours ago)

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laughingdog said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Theres overwhelming evidence that all people alive now have been dead before.
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Tibetans think reincarnation so obvious they would wonder why you bother to proclaim an opinion.

Western scientists think reincarnation so stupid they would wonder why you bother to proclaim a dogmatic opinion.

But on the Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum we know dogmatism makes the world go 'round!




I can accept reincarnation, but I cannot accept being reincarnated. I just do not want to be a human or an animal again. To me its a prison, if I'm reincarnated into another prison/person again then its because I didn't do something right.
I'll do whatever it takes to not be reincarnated again. Nothing here is worth being here again, it's all illusion and games, and I want out.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: userx]
    #27294354 - 05/04/21 07:08 PM (4 days, 15 hours ago)

Existence is suffering


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27294368 - 05/04/21 07:16 PM (4 days, 15 hours ago)

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laughingdog said:
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Asante said:
Theres overwhelming evidence that all people alive now have been dead before.
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Tibetans think reincarnation so obvious they would wonder why you bother to proclaim an opinion.

Western scientists think reincarnation so stupid they would wonder why you bother to proclaim a dogmatic opinion.

But on the Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum we know dogmatism makes the world go 'round!





in science its very straightforward that if you roll dice an infinite number of time, each number comes up an infinite number of times.

So, if you assume that, by quantum tunnelling or otherwise, Big Bangs happen once every so often for all eternity, which is spectacularly likely, you will in effect have a situation wherein every coimbination of circumstances plays out  with every possible outcome for all eternity.

There is nothing dogmatic about that, its the assumption big bangs like everything are repeatable and the rest is pure logic.

Western scientists dont think reincarnation is stupid, western science snobs think so.

Infinite reincarnation in every way of every possible circumstance is one of the very few possible outcomes of the universe and in fact one of the more likely ones, as an irreproducable big bang in a completely reproducuible universe is a bit goofy.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27294382 - 05/04/21 07:25 PM (4 days, 15 hours ago)

Asante, what's your opinion on Rupert Sheldrake morphic resonance theory?


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Big_Dub]
    #27294678 - 05/04/21 11:00 PM (4 days, 11 hours ago)

I think it's valid..

This is the type of something that drugs (psychedelics and dissociatives) teach us/reveal to us.

Everything is interconnected and it's like a concordant (or verdant) crossroads..

The field effect and fresh growing wheat and crops (UFO crop rotation.. travellers of The Men in Black)

Measuring volume is the whole of our science!

And what's going on inside is what counts..


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27294680 - 05/04/21 11:00 PM (4 days, 11 hours ago)

Strings vibrate within the field.. extricate order..

Feelings? 6th sense!


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27297669 - 05/06/21 10:37 PM (2 days, 12 hours ago)

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... There is nothing dogmatic about that, its the assumption big bangs like everything are repeatable and the rest is pure logic. ...






Actually not so, the big bang, is just the current best guess, to explain certain apparent data. See for example:

https://butnowyouknow.net/2009/05/12/the-big-bang-theory-does-not-represent-science/

its worth reading but here's a short quote:

"By the rules of hard science, it’s not even a theory. A theory can be tested in a way that would be sure to fail if it were wrong. This, with the Big Bang, is impossible so far. So it doesn’t qualify. It is a hypothesis."

Dogmatism is precisely not bothering to question, or to be critical in one's thinking and analysis.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27297927 - 05/07/21 02:07 AM (2 days, 8 hours ago)

You can't see gravity dude, and you don't know what the sun's made of, have you been there?

We can't say how old rocks are if we weren't around when they were made, no one actually knows the general range of how old the earth is, and if manatees have the most human like genitalia, how do we know they aren't what sailors called mermaids?

Hmmmmmmm? :yesnod:


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: sudly]
    #27298035 - 05/07/21 05:12 AM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

Is gravity a type of material?

Or is it just perfectly abstract?


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27298036 - 05/07/21 05:12 AM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

Space time curvature as gravity.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27298037 - 05/07/21 05:14 AM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

G as the constant.

Gravity/geometry as constant..


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27298038 - 05/07/21 05:16 AM (2 days, 5 hours ago)

Field gravity? Dimensions of experience..

How can one be without experience?

How can matter exist without an experiencer..

Observation IS experience!

Satan Honolulu.

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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27298048 - 05/07/21 05:46 AM (2 days, 4 hours ago)

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the big bang, is just the current best guess





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the assumption big bangs like everything are repeatable





Assuming the current best guess is part of an infinitely repeating cycle.

You can do that. Assumption is not dry science.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27298049 - 05/07/21 05:53 AM (2 days, 4 hours ago)

The infinite cycle would be after the big bang, and there's not much consensus on the inevitable fate of the universe, whether it's heat death or some kind of cosmic snap back.

It kind of seems like a straw man to bring up something that doesn't even have consensus, when you're meant to be talking about the big bang, something there is relatively more consensus on.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: sudly]
    #27298125 - 05/07/21 08:17 AM (2 days, 2 hours ago)

I care about celestial scale events that could affect us for the next million years, so that means we have to explore and develop consensual understandings for things that are happening which we cannot see.

Quantum investigations reveal essential relationships that are mirrored in astronomic observations (not an area I am versed in).

Scientific instruments enable us to see gravity in some instances, and radioactive composition can tell us about the age of rocks.

"We" cannot all look at this directly, but some individuals work with the equipment and can declare facts that are not sensed directly by the herd.

there is no conspiracy here. more education is needed, and it is worth the money.


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: Asante]
    #27298372 - 05/07/21 11:09 AM (1 day, 23 hours ago)

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Asante said:
Theres overwhelming evidence that all people alive now have been dead before.

Its a bit absurd to believe that de Dead you were 10 billion years ago, before the solar system, is a different kind of death than the one in 10 billion years from now, when the solar system isnt there too.




Where lol?


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Re: Where's Waldo? [Re: sudly]
    #27298650 - 05/07/21 02:58 PM (1 day, 19 hours ago)

.  IMO a scientific mindset is one that welcomes differences & counter arguments;

and a dogmatic, religious, etc. mindset craves to convince others to agree, and is little interested in wether this is achieved by logic, evidence, or controlled experiments or on the other hand, by an appeal to emotion or rhetorical devices; as it simply wants its own beliefs propped up by consensus.

.  There are good reasons why string "theory" is not considered a theory, by most scientists. I know of at least 2:  1) it's not testable, & 2) there are many different versions of it.
.  It is popular because to do the math shows you have a high IQ and 2ndly because it's a way for smart folks to get a lot of grant money, (these days as the foundations with the money don't know much about science), & money really helps when you're an academic type.

.    Reincarnation and "the big bang" are both also hypotheses only, as they are not testable, it's that simple.
.    Also as we all know 'Reincarnation' is indeed in origin a religious idea, that justified the caste system, in India, thousands of years ago, which was & most likely still is a horrible system, similar to slavery in many ways, which Gandhi worked hard to get Indians to overcome,( along with liberating India from the British Empire).

.  Historically the big bang theory is also rooted in religion: "The theory itself was originally formalised by Belgian Catholic priest, mathematician, astronomer, and professor of physics Georges Lemaître."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Big_Bang_theory
and is strangely similar to genesis in the bible: and "Let there be light" ...
and wow it just happened! -- Before there was no time, but suddenly time began---that this is even more unimaginable than 'virgin birth'---gets ignored! -- wow again!

.  And again, this is also worth reading:
https://butnowyouknow.net/2009/05/12/the-big-bang-theory-does-not-represent-science/


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