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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291761 - 05/03/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

And when I say "a huge problem plaguing us all" I mean the lack of preciseness in human communication.

People cannot perfectly convey their thoughts and other people cannot receive those thoughts perfectly as well. It allows for a disconnect between peoples.


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Anonymous #22

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291778 - 05/03/21 10:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't read because your multiple posts are annoying.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291779 - 05/03/21 10:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

you said it yourself, yesterday. youre bored and looking for some stimulation. well thats all fine and dandy but it doesnt give you the right to be a dick. im not saying every post was that way, but a lot are. yes, its anonymous here. that means you dont reveal your identity. it doesnt mean you can say stupid shit and expect us to accept it because you are acting "weird". 

:zoneout:


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27291794 - 05/03/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
you said it yourself, yesterday. youre bored and looking for some stimulation. well thats all fine and dandy but it doesnt give you the right to be a dick. im not saying every post was that way, but a lot are. yes, its anonymous here. that means you dont reveal your identity. it doesnt mean you can say stupid shit and expect us to accept it because you are acting "weird". 

:zoneout:





I mean thats valid. But I dont think I was mean to people? Not intentionally or with that as the purpose of a comment.


What comes to mine as things I have said that could have been mean was when I was shocked people were thinking in such a way. Or that we have to first include "being fat is unhealthy" as a precursor to a convo.



I think if anything.... the calling of me as a depressed lonely person.... or someone who doesnt have sex.... or whatever else was said about me.... was the mean stuff. It seems like those were direct attempts to belittle me for no reason other than belittling.


And is that alright? Because I am the pariah here?




But yes I am quite bored and using this as a passtime while I work. I have an unbelievably boring task of 12 hours alone at a desk. My only job is to not let people in and not let people leave. But no one ever comes out or in so I literally do nothing. Lol. Its mind boggling how crazy this job is.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291799 - 05/03/21 10:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
And when I say "a huge problem plaguing us all" I mean the lack of preciseness in human communication.

People cannot perfectly convey their thoughts and other people cannot receive those thoughts perfectly as well. It allows for a disconnect between peoples.




:lolwut:

if english is your native language than it is perfectly understood.
you are not misunderstood, friend.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291800 - 05/03/21 10:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

But I dont get it. WHY does it matter who I am? Lol.


Ive only gotten here because I said losing weight will make your dating life easier.


And then refused to let people bully me into false logic. I truly believe that anyone who disagrees with that statement is living in a fairytale land. I cannot see how it is possible to think that that is not the case. It is made clear time and time again in every area of dating out there. I guess the only part its not made clear in is when a girl or a guy refuses a partner and doesnt clearly state "Its because youre fat." Because youd have to be a fucking monster to say that lol.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291801 - 05/03/21 10:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

your perception is not shared by everyone. just because you dont think your being mean, doesnt mean the person you are being mean to feels the same way. understand?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4] * 1
    #27291804 - 05/03/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
And when I say "a huge problem plaguing us all" I mean the lack of preciseness in human communication.

People cannot perfectly convey their thoughts and other people cannot receive those thoughts perfectly as well. It allows for a disconnect between peoples.




:lolwut:

if english is your native language than it is perfectly understood.
you are not misunderstood, friend.





Dude its totally not perfectly understood.


If I say "Its hard to get a job in America." People can interpret the word "hard" in a million ways for example.


And that kinda shit happens over and over and over in normal communication.



I reckon it would be very difficult to have an argument with someone if both people could perfectly explain their positions.


I wouldnt be surprised if we could end all arguments and just walk around nodding at each other with no conversation needed if we could all do that.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27291806 - 05/03/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

yes, i said mean things directed at you. i will own that.

you dont get a free pass because you didnt think your comments hurt anyone


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27291809 - 05/03/21 10:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
your perception is not shared by everyone. just because you dont think your being mean, doesnt mean the person you are being mean to feels the same way. understand?





I obviously know people think differently. That is not some incredible piece of wisdom that I am not aware of. The whole snowflake metaphor used a billion times.


But there are definitely some factually true statements at least within the scope of human capacity.

And I dont think hiding in the nuance of "what ifs" and things that happen a tiny percentage of the time helps in human discourse or in our advancement.

Generalizations can be useful tools!


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27291810 - 05/03/21 10:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
And when I say "a huge problem plaguing us all" I mean the lack of preciseness in human communication.

People cannot perfectly convey their thoughts and other people cannot receive those thoughts perfectly as well. It allows for a disconnect between peoples.




:lolwut:

if english is your native language than it is perfectly understood.
you are not misunderstood, friend.





Dude its totally not perfectly understood.


If I say "Its hard to get a job in America." People can interpret the word "hard" in a million ways for example.


And that kinda shit happens over and over and over in normal communication.



I reckon it would be very difficult to have an argument with someone if both people could perfectly explain their positions.


I wouldnt be surprised if we could end all arguments and just walk around nodding at each other with no conversation needed if we could all do that.





and thats another thing.. i guess it is hard to "understand" you when you are constantly going of on tangents of random, speculative thoughts.

its exhausting


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27291892 - 05/03/21 11:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
And when I say "a huge problem plaguing us all" I mean the lack of preciseness in human communication.

People cannot perfectly convey their thoughts and other people cannot receive those thoughts perfectly as well. It allows for a disconnect between peoples.




:lolwut:

if english is your native language than it is perfectly understood.
you are not misunderstood, friend.





Dude its totally not perfectly understood.


If I say "Its hard to get a job in America." People can interpret the word "hard" in a million ways for example.


And that kinda shit happens over and over and over in normal communication.



I reckon it would be very difficult to have an argument with someone if both people could perfectly explain their positions.


I wouldnt be surprised if we could end all arguments and just walk around nodding at each other with no conversation needed if we could all do that.





and thats another thing.. i guess it is hard to "understand" you when you are constantly going of on tangents of random, speculative thoughts.

its exhausting





Yeah I feel that brother. I'm sure I'm not joy to read.


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Anonymous #22

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292136 - 05/03/21 02:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What's funny is I don't even disagree with some of the things you were saying. I just thought the statement about starving with millions of pigs roaming the streets was funny and then you started trying to attack vegans and vegetarians out of nowhere. And that kind of unnecessary arguing and confrontation is the baseline of why you're having such a difficult time communicating and getting your main points across.

Just my two cents but I'm not saying it's accurate either. I don't know you.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #22]
    #27292150 - 05/03/21 02:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #22 said:
What's funny is I don't even disagree with some of the things you were saying. I just thought the statement about starving with millions of pigs roaming the streets was funny and then you started trying to attack vegans and vegetarians out of nowhere. And that kind of unnecessary arguing and confrontation is the baseline of why you're having such a difficult time communicating and getting your main points across.

Just my two cents but I'm not saying it's accurate either. I don't know you.





Some pretty valid thinking there. Sounds like youre trying to be accurate. I dig it.


I will say though I'm not attacking vegans. I got no issue with em. I just think its an interesting thought experiment for a vegan to realize that pigs need to be killed in order for the human race to thrive. Life would be extremely difficult for humans if we stopped killing animals.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292176 - 05/03/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
I think its an interesting thought experiment for a vegan to realize that pigs need to be killed in order for the human race to thrive.




please, in your own words, explain how this is true. no youtube links

Quote:

Life would be extremely difficult for humans if we stopped killing animals.




im interested to hear how this is possible. please, in your own words.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27292212 - 05/03/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
I think its an interesting thought experiment for a vegan to realize that pigs need to be killed in order for the human race to thrive.




please, in your own words, explain how this is true. no youtube links

Quote:

Life would be extremely difficult for humans if we stopped killing animals.




im interested to hear how this is possible. please, in your own words.





Hmm? They breed very quickly. And they destroy everything they touch. Stuff doesnt regrow easily after they forage it. They go around in massive packs and clear-out huge swaths of land.

If left to themselves they'd just keep increasing in numbers. They are pretty much held back through culling.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292221 - 05/03/21 02:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

And theres other animals that need to be killed. For example in South Texas you have a massive deer population. They are responsible for the deaths of many drivers. They also cause problems with farmland because they forage as well.

If they arent killed through hunting seasons they too would cause serious problems to human life.




The problem is natural predators arent around anymore in the numbers they used to be at. Humans have removed them for the most part. So theres not enough things killing these wild animals.


Plus I would imagine humans not hunting very often is a problem as well. I wonder what kind of numbers humans killed animals in before modern civilization. Of course there was less human population back then so it could be more hunting done nowadays.



Either way... theres too many pigs and too many deer. Lots of animals theres too many of.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292235 - 05/03/21 02:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I believe that if humans stopped killing all wildlife.... pigs would conquer any country without a land predator. Australia for example would be nothing but pigs and crocodiles. And then all the pigs would die out as the food sources ran out. And then the crocodiles? Or maybe they'd eat fish.


In countries with a land predator the pigs would increase in size and so too would the land predators. The land predators would increase in size enough to hold back the growth of pigs and probably allow for a balance in the ecosystem. But man the amount of land predators needed to fix that pig imbalance would be NUTS. There'd be fucking mountain lions everywhere.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292246 - 05/03/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

And when I say "increase in size" I mean the numbers would increase. Not the physical bodies of the animals.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Heavy-sized women - am I an asshole or just myself? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27292323 - 05/03/21 03:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

okay i see. now can you tell us how youve reached this conclusion? which studies are you referencing that led you to believe this to be true?


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