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Looking for tips from King Oyster growers
    #27290332 - 05/02/21 12:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I’d really like to grow these regularly to eat and give to friends. I have successfully fruited a couple in jars just as a test but my 5lb mycobags haven’t yet fruited so I’m looking for tips.

I’m using 50/50 HWFP/Soybean Hulls. I colonize at 76F. Beyond that is where I need the help. I got the test  jars to fruit by putting them in my cooler set to 55F and allowing some FAE.

So here are the questions:

Do you move to lower temps at full consolidation or do you wait a while, and if you wait, how long?

What temp do you like to go down to for fruit initiation?

About how long at that temp does it take for you to start seeing fruit?

Do you leave it at that temp after seeing pins or do you raise it a bit? If you raise it, how much?

Do you use a casing layer? If so, do you apply it at full consolidation or do you wait longer?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight]
    #27291023 - 05/02/21 08:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I used 50/50 with success, but use a different mix now, just a different preference.. i struggled with these some months back, but now got a good handle..  make sure you humidity is high.   

I colonized around 76, my fruiting temperature is 60 degrees, i used 55 degrees no problem too, with poorer results noticed when it hit above 65.  once the block is fully colonized i cut the top of the bag all the way open, then put a rubber band on the top, to keep co2 high while allowing fresh air to form.. this will pop the pins:



i wait till pins form very heavy, then i open it up by removing rubber band, i don't usually split the bag up a down until day or two before harvest, i like how it fills out the cap. 



several days later harvest is ready, just harvested a few minutes ago:



100 BE first flush with these, i'll certainly get a second flush by closing up bag with rubberband, then opening it again when pins get large..  casing is not needed, but it helped me when greatly until i dialed my environment in..  i'm fairly new at king oyster but got good results after struggling... so sharing with you.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: trippleblack]
    #27291391 - 05/03/21 03:45 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for the reply, very helpful!

About how long does it take for you to see pins from the time you put them to 60F?

And to confirm, you put them to 60F as soon as you visually see full consolidation?


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27294756 - 05/04/21 09:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i think a little more than ten days..  i wait until the block is visually very colonized and fuzzy on top.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: trippleblack]
    #27294776 - 05/04/21 10:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

For me, I have found that moving the bag to colder temps at full colonization, scratching the top, and letting them start to pin in the bag works the best. usually turns out great with a good culture.



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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: GreenGills]
    #27295497 - 05/05/21 12:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you both. I just found that top-scratch technique on YouTube the other day. I’m giving it a shot. Guy was a commercial grower. He also said to let consolidate 1-2 weeks before moving to cold, for best flushes, which falls with your 10 day suggestion. On this next grow I will wait 10 days after full consolidation, then take your advice and move to cold and scratch top. I was already trying to fruit in the bag so at least I was doing one thing right haha.

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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight]
    #27295544 - 05/05/21 01:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I just wait for pin clusters to form in my sealed bags.. no scratching, no casing.. works every time. You just wait for pins to form (even at 70 degrees mine still form fine) then I fruit them in 60 degrees. Very easy mushroom to pin and fruit if you just keep things simple.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27296256 - 05/05/21 09:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting... have you ever tried pinning at 76F?
Do you change anything at all in conditions from when you inoculate to when pins form?

I can do 73F and 76F room temps, and I can do 50-65F in the cooler. That’s what I’m limited to.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27296549 - 05/06/21 05:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

No I never tried at 76*. I cool my apartment in the summer so I colonize/ pin and fruit at 60*. Was just saying that Ive had pins form just fine at 70* as well. I dont do anything after inoculating, you just leave the bag sealed until you see pins on the top, always comes shortly after 90% colonization. One difference Ive noticed growing Kings though is there is a sharp decline in pin/ fruit production when you go below a 1/2 qt of spawn per 5lb bag of masters mix (or wheat bran). Other oysters you can get away with using very little spawn, but every single time I have tried to go with 1/4 qt per bag they have not produced very well. Somewhere in between 1/4 qt and 1/2 qt is the sweet spot. Some people will tell you the only difference with more spawn is it just colonizes faster but Ive seen very noticeable differences in pin clusters and fruit production when changing spawn ratios for Kings. Some people say its a waste of spawn, but I like to harvest big sets of fruits and not waste my time so I go with 1/2 qt per bag. Spawn is too easy for me to make for me to care.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: sendmehummus] * 1
    #27296561 - 05/06/21 05:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I just wait for pin clusters to form in my sealed bags.. no scratching, no casing.. works every time. You just wait for pins to form (even at 70 degrees mine still form fine) then I fruit them in 60 degrees. Very easy mushroom to pin and fruit if you just keep things simple.





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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Stromrider]
    #27296841 - 05/06/21 10:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Ok thank you for the info. I may be dealing with some sluggish or poor genetics for the Kings I'm currently growing then.

As for spawn, I have tried a variety of ratios but have been mostly doing 1 full quart of spawn for a 5lb gab. As an experiment, I tried 1/2cup of spawn for a 5lb bag and it isn't even really colonizing at all except in isolated patches so will definitely keep going with the higher ratio.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight]
    #27297065 - 05/06/21 01:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hard to tell without pics what your issue is. Sounds like youre doing too much fluctuating and moving around though. Next round just simply wait for pins after colonization then cut the top of the bag off then fruit at 50*-60*.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27297228 - 05/06/21 03:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I noticed the same thing hummus. Low spawn rate leads to low yields. But 1/2 to a full quart per bag can yield nearly 100% BE on the first flush. :thumbup:


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: deadmandave]
    #27297256 - 05/06/21 04:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I wont go under 1/2 qt anymore. All of my 1/4 qt bags produced lousy pin clusters compared to my 1/2 bags. With blues, pearls and white elm oysters I can get away with way less. Its like Kings just do better when those hyphae connections are fast and strong. It confuses me though bc the 1/4 qt bags become just as consolidated as the 1/2 qt bags over time.. there must be a way to get the same pinsets if both blocks are at the same %colonization.. I just havnt discovered it yet.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27297382 - 05/06/21 05:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm I was assuming it was a nutrient thing but I really don't know.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: deadmandave]
    #27298123 - 05/07/21 06:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What's your supp rate hummus?


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Farm3r]
    #27298132 - 05/07/21 06:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I run masters mix, so 50/50 soy hulls and hwfp.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27298535 - 05/07/21 11:24 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks again for the replies. So per your request, here are some photos.


This is my latest attempt. I wanted to do it in a really deep tub so that I could experiment with a LOT of C02 and regulating it with holes/vents, and I'd prefer not using bags but it's not a huge deal. This is 5lbs of substrate and a full quart of grains. It consolidated fully in under a week. It almost looks like its starting to from some primordia? I've left this one alone, in a 76F room. I mixed the grains to the substrate two weeks ago. 50/50 HWFP/SoyHulls








This is the first bag I did. I used a full quart of spawn in it as well, and the same 50/50 mix. But I did move it in and out of three different rooms to test different temps (55, 76, and 73). I've left it alone in the cooler at 55 for the last 7 days though. Note the corner is open a bit for some FAE. I did case this one with 50/50 peat/verm and some lime. I made this bag one full month ago.






This last  bag I did with HWFP, wheat bran, and gypsum. Uncased. It colonized MUCH slower than the 50/50 grows. I did scratch the surface of this one a week ago as a test, and it has no casing. It too has been in the cooler for a week at 55F.



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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27301055 - 05/09/21 03:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Hindsight said:
I’d really like to grow these regularly to eat and give to friends. I have successfully fruited a couple in jars just as a test but my 5lb mycobags haven’t yet fruited so I’m looking for tips.

I’m using 50/50 HWFP/Soybean Hulls. I colonize at 76F. Beyond that is where I need the help. I got the test  jars to fruit by putting them in my cooler set to 55F and allowing some FAE.

So here are the questions:

Do you move to lower temps at full consolidation or do you wait a while, and if you wait, how long?

What temp do you like to go down to for fruit initiation?

About how long at that temp does it take for you to start seeing fruit?

Do you leave it at that temp after seeing pins or do you raise it a bit? If you raise it, how much?

Do you use a casing layer? If so, do you apply it at full consolidation or do you wait longer?

Thanks in advance!




I colonized around 72F with no problems but my best fruits came from 53F fruiting. I always scratched through the bag but always waited for pins to form before cutting the bag open. Also- if in an FC with other edibles I always left most of the bag on to refuse FAE for them. If I got super prolific pinning- I'd wait a day or two and remove the smaller pins as IME Kings like to over pin and abort- culling some of the pins prior to them abouting tended to lead to larger fruits    . No casing layer is needed as long as your FC is dialed in and they honestly need less rH (humidity) than regular blue oysters but I still found a fluctuation in rH to be helpful for them.


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Re: Looking for tips from King Oyster growers [Re: TravelAgency]
    #27302747 - 05/10/21 09:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I colonized around 72F with no problems but my best fruits came from 53F fruiting. I always scratched through the bag but always waited for pins to form before cutting the bag open. Also- if in an FC with other edibles I always left most of the bag on to refuse FAE for them. If I got super prolific pinning- I'd wait a day or two and remove the smaller pins as IME Kings like to over pin and abort- culling some of the pins prior to them abouting tended to lead to larger fruits    . No casing layer is needed as long as your FC is dialed in and they honestly need less rH (humidity) than regular blue oysters but I still found a fluctuation in rH to be helpful for them.




Thanks for the info. When you say your best fruits came from 53F fruiting, are you saying you let pins form at 72F and then move to 53F after that, or that you move it to 53F before pins form?


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