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Water flooding jars during PC
    #27288445 - 04/30/21 10:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, ive always had this issue show up from time to time. I most certainly dnt understand it.
What the fuck is up with all this fucking water in my jars post pc? Them corns were dry when they were jarred. Thers a fucking pool of water in every one.
Pc'd this corn for 2.5hrs cuz it was kinda under-done. Didnt use more that 3qts water in pc. Let pressure drop naturally, etc...wtf!?


Lids werent even loose when i opened the pc. Wrapped foil tightly around top. Ive had this problem with sfd stickers, siliconed sfd, and polyfil.
I dried this shit pretty damn good, too.

Why is water getting in my jars?

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm] * 1
    #27288477 - 04/30/21 10:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I can only guess. I haven't used corn and don't know enough about your prep. If you hadn't said what you said I'd have guessed that you overhydrated the and or didn't let them dry well enough. But you did say what you said so....

My advice would be to get some wheat, rye or birdseed and follow an established prep.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288484 - 04/30/21 11:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm...  Well, it happens no matter the grain/seed or method of gas exchange. I cant find anything unstandard in my prep. If water isnt getting in, then there is of course too much water in the grain/seed to begin with.

Grain/seed has a fan on high directly at it sitting on bare counter. I turn it periodically. Dries for at least 90min or so. Guess i can get a batch "super dry" and see how that works.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288486 - 04/30/21 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmmm. I wish i could help. If you use some rye wheat or wbs I'd be glad to stick with you through the prep and see what happens. Other than that though, I'm not sure.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288501 - 04/30/21 11:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I always ended up with water in corn jars like that.. I just shook them after the pc to distribute the water.. but I think it’s one of the reasons corn isn’t as popular; it doesn’t do well with slightly bacterial inoculate. 

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288514 - 04/30/21 11:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

before shroomery, i use to do corn and no matter what ever you do popcorn will always do this thing i mean you can bone dry surface of corn it will still come out wet, why it does that? i never got answer why yellow corn does that.

all old teks recommend using white corn.

the only cure i found was undercook corn like put water in pan put corn bring it to simmer and shut down total time 20 minutes, dry corn and jar it pc and take out jars shake them while hot and that worked and still had condensation.

after shroomery learned a lot and been using millet.

fooman prep works just at last step where he pour water skip that and take pastywhyte advice let millet steam dry it self and cool down before putting in jar.

Edited by pesa (04/30/21 11:47 PM)

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27288517 - 04/30/21 11:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OK. I've never used corn but now two folks have said corn does that. But op says it happens no matter the grain or filter. Hmmmmmmmmm

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    #27288530 - 05/01/21 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh you fucker... Well than this is really gonna twitch your sphincter.


Nxt time i have something other than fucking corn do it then i'll be like HA!!, and yall will tell me i didnt dry my grain enough, and your prolly correct. Last time i was cultivating my mind was disintegrating from a vitamin deficiency, but i have that under control now. So this shit will stick.

Thnx for yalls help.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288532 - 05/01/21 12:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’d pass my inspector.. lol.  Maybe just let them sit out for a few days before you inoculate.. probably dry up :shrug:

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    #27288540 - 05/01/21 12:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

imo to be honest without a tek its going to be watery grains, i ruined a lot of grains just to move on from pf tek(aquarium equipment, perlite, incubation of pf tek jars all that old crap)

yellow corn is like 10 out 5 jar will get bacillus bacteria and then all TC telling not to use it. in all old posts they are using WHITE CORN its more forgiving than yellow corn ime.

i was still getting water in millet and after searching a lot found pastywhyte advice and a lot of other TC saying "let it steam dry" thats a grain saving advice.

also op if you are getting too much water in all types of grain

maybe take 100g of grain and play with them, boil them, try fooman tek or any other proven tek

fox tail millet it does not work with fooman if you are in another country(brazil)

fox tail millet (common millet)


the mositure content of this millet is below 10% for long term storage grain mills lower it down because it gets fungus and bacteria infection too easily.


this is millet millet have no idea what's it call in english



moisture content is above 25|% and its more cheaper longer shelf life less processing for grain mills and fooman tek works on it.

if you are outside USA better check what type of grain you are getting, took me long time to understand what is pre moisture level of grain and how to put it through shroomery teks.


summer jar under hydrated



for winter i can leave grain in longer like fooman said depends how much water you want in grain.

TC are best university but they are not wrong neither their tek, its the grain we are getting,

USA race horse brand oats everyone use that because at some point some grower play with brand to know enough to make tek out of it.

you change brand of grain mf moisture becomes a new problem, either you are getting well moist grains that never went through any oven or you are over hydrating them

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: fahtster]
    #27288542 - 05/01/21 12:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. I didnt time the drying of the corn but i feel like i dried the wheat for longer. However i am starting to see the issues with corn.

Really dont feel comfortable advising another on something ive never experienced cause i knw i dnt understand it. So it's good i try it.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288550 - 05/01/21 12:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i use hairdryer to dry millet if it feels too wet lol and its from old shroomery post, hairdryer use to be a thing and TC should bring it back, i can not find original post anymore.

wheat looks nice give it a shake now and then and test it.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27288551 - 05/01/21 12:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't bust out a hair dryer unless I was in a big big hurry and had no other grain to prep.

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    #27288556 - 05/01/21 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i will keep that in mind but lol, pre made hot air device right in your drawer imo better than fan drying if needed or oven drying :facepalm3:

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    #27288566 - 05/01/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe if I lived in a very damp environment and I overcooked some shit. Otherwise I'd just let it sit and dry. Also, I can whip up a batch of WBS in less time than I could blow dry a batch dry. Maybe not if it were a small batch but I do a bag at a time.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288579 - 05/01/21 01:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pressure cook corn 1 hour full power, strain, dry until exterior of corn is dry, load into jars - 2/3 full.

Burst grains are good here, and doesn't matter for properly dried corn prep

Moisture inside = good
Moisture on shell = bad



Honestly corn is easy and works decently


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    #27288586 - 05/01/21 02:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's a beautiful picture. Nice

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa]
    #27288719 - 05/01/21 06:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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i will keep that in mind but lol, pre made hot air device right in your drawer imo better than fan drying if needed or oven drying :facepalm3:



Ok time to bust out my oat drying pic!  from: Crackatoa's easy oats Works great!

                       
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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Inthepit]
    #27288731 - 05/01/21 06:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I will probably get some crap for this, but throw a couple table spoons of DRY vermiculite in the bottom of the jars before you load your grains. That vermiculite will capture the moisture that pools and problem is solved! I throw a little in the bottom of my bags and have grown a literal metric fuck ton of shrooms since November, no shit metric fuck ton!


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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #27288735 - 05/01/21 06:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For me i will rinse my corn in pasta strainer, throw in pc with 2-3.inches of water ontop, add gypsom and bring up to 15 psi for 45 minutes. Back into pasta strainer while HOT and do the flip thing untill the steam is just minimal, maybe 4-5 minutes of flipping it. Let sit another 3 or 4 minutes to monitor moisture/ steam and jar it up.

Ive never had a pooling issue and have ran popcorn for years

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