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Water flooding jars during PC
    #27288445 - 04/30/21 10:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, ive always had this issue show up from time to time. I most certainly dnt understand it.
What the fuck is up with all this fucking water in my jars post pc? Them corns were dry when they were jarred. Thers a fucking pool of water in every one.
Pc'd this corn for 2.5hrs cuz it was kinda under-done. Didnt use more that 3qts water in pc. Let pressure drop naturally, etc...wtf!?


Lids werent even loose when i opened the pc. Wrapped foil tightly around top. Ive had this problem with sfd stickers, siliconed sfd, and polyfil.
I dried this shit pretty damn good, too.

Why is water getting in my jars?

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm] * 1
    #27288477 - 04/30/21 10:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I can only guess. I haven't used corn and don't know enough about your prep. If you hadn't said what you said I'd have guessed that you overhydrated the and or didn't let them dry well enough. But you did say what you said so....

My advice would be to get some wheat, rye or birdseed and follow an established prep.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288484 - 04/30/21 11:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm...  Well, it happens no matter the grain/seed or method of gas exchange. I cant find anything unstandard in my prep. If water isnt getting in, then there is of course too much water in the grain/seed to begin with.

Grain/seed has a fan on high directly at it sitting on bare counter. I turn it periodically. Dries for at least 90min or so. Guess i can get a batch "super dry" and see how that works.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288486 - 04/30/21 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmmm. I wish i could help. If you use some rye wheat or wbs I'd be glad to stick with you through the prep and see what happens. Other than that though, I'm not sure.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288501 - 04/30/21 11:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I always ended up with water in corn jars like that.. I just shook them after the pc to distribute the water.. but I think it’s one of the reasons corn isn’t as popular; it doesn’t do well with slightly bacterial inoculate. 

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288514 - 04/30/21 11:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

before shroomery, i use to do corn and no matter what ever you do popcorn will always do this thing i mean you can bone dry surface of corn it will still come out wet, why it does that? i never got answer why yellow corn does that.

all old teks recommend using white corn.

the only cure i found was undercook corn like put water in pan put corn bring it to simmer and shut down total time 20 minutes, dry corn and jar it pc and take out jars shake them while hot and that worked and still had condensation.

after shroomery learned a lot and been using millet.

fooman prep works just at last step where he pour water skip that and take pastywhyte advice let millet steam dry it self and cool down before putting in jar.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27288517 - 04/30/21 11:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OK. I've never used corn but now two folks have said corn does that. But op says it happens no matter the grain or filter. Hmmmmmmmmm

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #27288530 - 05/01/21 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh you fucker... Well than this is really gonna twitch your sphincter.


Nxt time i have something other than fucking corn do it then i'll be like HA!!, and yall will tell me i didnt dry my grain enough, and your prolly correct. Last time i was cultivating my mind was disintegrating from a vitamin deficiency, but i have that under control now. So this shit will stick.

Thnx for yalls help.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288532 - 05/01/21 12:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’d pass my inspector.. lol.  Maybe just let them sit out for a few days before you inoculate.. probably dry up :shrug:

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    #27288540 - 05/01/21 12:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

imo to be honest without a tek its going to be watery grains, i ruined a lot of grains just to move on from pf tek(aquarium equipment, perlite, incubation of pf tek jars all that old crap)

yellow corn is like 10 out 5 jar will get bacillus bacteria and then all TC telling not to use it. in all old posts they are using WHITE CORN its more forgiving than yellow corn ime.

i was still getting water in millet and after searching a lot found pastywhyte advice and a lot of other TC saying "let it steam dry" thats a grain saving advice.

also op if you are getting too much water in all types of grain

maybe take 100g of grain and play with them, boil them, try fooman tek or any other proven tek

fox tail millet it does not work with fooman if you are in another country(brazil)

fox tail millet (common millet)


the mositure content of this millet is below 10% for long term storage grain mills lower it down because it gets fungus and bacteria infection too easily.


this is millet millet have no idea what's it call in english



moisture content is above 25|% and its more cheaper longer shelf life less processing for grain mills and fooman tek works on it.

if you are outside USA better check what type of grain you are getting, took me long time to understand what is pre moisture level of grain and how to put it through shroomery teks.


summer jar under hydrated



for winter i can leave grain in longer like fooman said depends how much water you want in grain.

TC are best university but they are not wrong neither their tek, its the grain we are getting,

USA race horse brand oats everyone use that because at some point some grower play with brand to know enough to make tek out of it.

you change brand of grain mf moisture becomes a new problem, either you are getting well moist grains that never went through any oven or you are over hydrating them

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: fahtster]
    #27288542 - 05/01/21 12:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. I didnt time the drying of the corn but i feel like i dried the wheat for longer. However i am starting to see the issues with corn.

Really dont feel comfortable advising another on something ive never experienced cause i knw i dnt understand it. So it's good i try it.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288550 - 05/01/21 12:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i use hairdryer to dry millet if it feels too wet lol and its from old shroomery post, hairdryer use to be a thing and TC should bring it back, i can not find original post anymore.

wheat looks nice give it a shake now and then and test it.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27288551 - 05/01/21 12:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't bust out a hair dryer unless I was in a big big hurry and had no other grain to prep.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288556 - 05/01/21 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i will keep that in mind but lol, pre made hot air device right in your drawer imo better than fan drying if needed or oven drying :facepalm3:

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27288566 - 05/01/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe if I lived in a very damp environment and I overcooked some shit. Otherwise I'd just let it sit and dry. Also, I can whip up a batch of WBS in less time than I could blow dry a batch dry. Maybe not if it were a small batch but I do a bag at a time.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288579 - 05/01/21 01:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pressure cook corn 1 hour full power, strain, dry until exterior of corn is dry, load into jars - 2/3 full.

Burst grains are good here, and doesn't matter for properly dried corn prep

Moisture inside = good
Moisture on shell = bad



Honestly corn is easy and works decently


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    #27288586 - 05/01/21 02:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's a beautiful picture. Nice

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa]
    #27288719 - 05/01/21 06:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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i will keep that in mind but lol, pre made hot air device right in your drawer imo better than fan drying if needed or oven drying :facepalm3:



Ok time to bust out my oat drying pic!  from: Crackatoa's easy oats Works great!

                       
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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Inthepit]
    #27288731 - 05/01/21 06:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I will probably get some crap for this, but throw a couple table spoons of DRY vermiculite in the bottom of the jars before you load your grains. That vermiculite will capture the moisture that pools and problem is solved! I throw a little in the bottom of my bags and have grown a literal metric fuck ton of shrooms since November, no shit metric fuck ton!


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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #27288735 - 05/01/21 06:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For me i will rinse my corn in pasta strainer, throw in pc with 2-3.inches of water ontop, add gypsom and bring up to 15 psi for 45 minutes. Back into pasta strainer while HOT and do the flip thing untill the steam is just minimal, maybe 4-5 minutes of flipping it. Let sit another 3 or 4 minutes to monitor moisture/ steam and jar it up.

Ive never had a pooling issue and have ran popcorn for years

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Inthepit]
    #27288773 - 05/01/21 07:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is why I have a love affair with whole oats, lol…

I won’t go into the whole mental masturbation process of trying to break down the specific mechanics of it, but yes I’ve used corn before, and depending on how well/much I hydrated it, as well as how long it would be in the PC… well yeah, anyways, I’ve gotten those same results.

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    #27288882 - 05/01/21 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The corn reabsorbed the water over night. That was a fuck ton of water.
Idk, when it happens with wbs or wheat or something i'll post.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Ryan_Spalding2727]
    #27288891 - 05/01/21 09:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yo madhat stoner, here....

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Ok, now that that is out of the way, do you have problems with moisture in bags if you don't. I don't give a shit if people do that but I do know it isn't necessary.

I just dump my grain on a big ass strainer and let her sit till perfect. If I'm in a hurry I'll hire a midget to stir it here and there.
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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27288893 - 05/01/21 09:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Word. Were the jars still hot in the pic? A lot of time they'll have condensation and then absorb it. A shake while still warm helps.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27289003 - 05/01/21 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, ahhh it's too good :lol: God damn i luv weed. Jst woke up, jst toked up.

Yeah i had a trampoline for mice at one point and i may again, but my bare counter works pretty good. Jst need to be patient and let grain dry.

However there is something odd that happens now and then where the jars seem to flood. Sometimes only a couple.

The pics are right outta the PC. I shook 'em. This morn they seem to have absorbed most of the water. I feel like it's gonna show back up though.

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    #27289050 - 05/01/21 11:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

even if those are piss sample no one is judging :laugh2: i had serious conversations about cow poop and horse poop and piss too, the only reason i do hair dryer because i can not stand for long time and i usually do not need it it either, but some batch come out to be too moist and that's a sweet setup for drying.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa]
    #27289402 - 05/01/21 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would either try the verm method or just under prep the grains a bit so they absorb water during the cycle instead of releasing it


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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #27289458 - 05/01/21 05:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I will probably get some crap for this, but throw a couple table spoons of DRY vermiculite in the bottom of the jars before you load your grains. That vermiculite will capture the moisture that pools and problem is solved! I throw a little in the bottom of my bags and have grown a literal metric fuck ton of shrooms since November, no shit metric fuck ton!





Dry cardboard, vermiculite, paper, dry grains. All of these can fix wet corn.
But the real solution is to dry them enough before loading. Since we are drying the surface and not all moisture, corn pced 1hour dries best when most of the surface of the kernels are in contact with air


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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27289513 - 05/01/21 06:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is what RogerRabbit has to say about corn..: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6741554#6741554


Just a suggestion..

Try Red Milo/Sorghum, here in Mexico It's call sorgos..

It's half the price of oats..

I find that milo Is way faster to prep than oats less drying time.

After pc cycle the grain looks wet but in a half day after a shake It's perfect.

I wash and rinse three times and boil for 7 minutes then drain and load jars.

The beauty with milo is the small inoculation points.

The grain water after the boil Is perfect for making agar plates. Just add 10 grams agar 500ml.grain water.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: micelio]
    #27289548 - 05/01/21 07:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

do you use crack Sorghum too or discard it? i have about kg of Sorghum but it has too many split seeds have no idea what to do.

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    #27289580 - 05/01/21 08:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I use It all. Be honest I don't recall crack or split milo being a problem..

I'm confident If anyone tries It they'll love working with It. I'm surprise that I got so hung up using oats for such a long time..


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    #27289652 - 05/01/21 09:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i am going to try it :mushroom2:

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: pesa]
    #27289685 - 05/01/21 10:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Feaso, yea fuck corn.

With that out of the way 2 things came to mind as to why this might have happened.
Some grains require a long ass time for me to get them as dry on the outside as they need to be and corn is one of them. I'm talking +24 hours with the help of a strainer like verum's (well not nearly as big) and a fan running the last hours before jarring up. It needs to feel real dry on the outside.

Second, maybe you took those jars out of the PC when they were still hot? The grains spew out an important amount of moisture this way until they cool down completely. Grains are able to reabsorb part of this lost moisture over the course of a few days and several shakes but I think corn has a harder time.

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    #27289743 - 05/01/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow 24+ hrs. Yeah them jars dnt look like that anymore, but i see corn being a pain in the ace. I like rye and wheat anx Egypt wheat. So after i go through my patented mega squirrel mix i'll invest into my favs.

Micelio - I luv that stuff. To find it on ebay you have to search for egyptian wheat. It's jst red sorghum i knw, but for some reason they call it other shit.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27289776 - 05/02/21 12:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's a lot lol I live in a humid climate so that might have something to do.
I could get them dry in a lot less time if I were to run the fan from minute 1 and maybe be around to stir them.
But even then with some harder to dry grains it's still a lot of hours on the strainer so I'd have to boil them in the morning if I want to sterilize them the same day... so most times it's just easier to leave them there until the next day.

Oats and barley would be prime examples of grains that need prolonged drying times, too many people get them too wet because improper drying, like 2 hours on a kitchen strainer kinda deal.
Mesh and forget till the next day is how I get them right.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27289985 - 05/02/21 06:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hmm...  Well, it happens no matter the grain/seed or method of gas exchange. I cant find anything unstandard in my prep. If water isnt getting in, then there is of course too much water in the grain/seed to begin with.

Grain/seed has a fan on high directly at it sitting on bare counter. I turn it periodically. Dries for at least 90min or so. Guess i can get a batch "super dry" and see how that works.



I know I am late to the party on this but it happens to me every now and then also. Usually I blame the SFD stickies, but I shake them and let them sit for a day or two and the moisture goes away.


  What about food coloring in the water in the bottom of the PC? Then we can tell if the food coloring gets into the jars.

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    #27291288 - 05/03/21 12:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Josex - Yeah i tossed the rest of the dry corn into a mix bucket of what i call squirrel mix, whixh is jst left over grains from bags. I also tossed a full bucket of sunflower seeds out for the woodland creatures. Them seem like kinda a bitch to not only get dry but completely sterilize. I jst had a bunch of jars develop snot bacteria, specifically strait outta sfseeds. So fuck them.

Sock - Sounds decent in theory but i suspect issues with adding dye/pigmemt to PC water.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27292592 - 05/03/21 06:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've never had this kind of issue, but I also keep my grains a bit on the crunchy side when they go into the PC. I just knock off most of the water through a colander, then bag/jar, straight to the PC.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: give.more]
    #27293267 - 05/04/21 02:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Try a jar of straight sunflower seeds. Too much oil.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27293306 - 05/04/21 03:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Like these?


You just have to alter your prep a little but they will work fine.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Sockadin]
    #27293628 - 05/04/21 09:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Change it how? I've done plenty of bird seed and once scooped up all the floaters and made up a bag of just them. It was almost all Sunflower seeds. Literally puked oil all over the inside of the PC. Not like kind of. It was obvious at first glance. I was amazed.

Have you successfully grown from agar through fruit off of them?

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294975 - 05/05/21 03:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So for the prep question. I use Black oil sunflower seeds. They like to float before being boiled. I will load up my PC with about 7 myco quarts and then fill it 1/3-1/2 with water and bring to a boil. I use my presto and put the lid on it. Usually right when it try's to self lock it is up to pressure. Run it at that temp for about 10 mins. This will cook most of the oil out of the seeds and they will start to sink and the oil will rise to the top of the water. I do run agar to grain also.

Then I strain and steam dry them on a screen. They are no longer oily but have a higher fat content. Here is the link to the prep..
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I also use oats, but lately I have been blending half oats and half Black oil seeds.

Here is a grow of RWxMel that I did recently with them.


Here is an AMazon X PEU batch.



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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Sockadin]
    #27295132 - 05/05/21 06:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Anything can work, good work sir
Pinto beans and coriander seeds,it's all about those carbs


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    #27295429 - 05/05/21 11:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OK. As always, I'm learning to be more accurate with my words. I should have said. "I know that a bag of sunflower seeds from my wbs floaters, just scooped up and loaded after being prepped via Foo's tek, turned out way way too oily."

I agree that you could get around it. I don't see why you'd want too but there's more than 105,537,458,510 ways to skin a cat.

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    #27295565 - 05/05/21 01:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I hear you. I am just saying that for what it is worth Black Oil Sunflower Seeds are just as good as Oats or WBS. So why scoop them out of  the WBS? If you got that prep down and are boiling them they do just fine in WBS or by them selfs.

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Re: Water flooding jars during PC [Re: Sockadin]
    #27295616 - 05/05/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you have less fatty seeds?

While anything can be used, heavy carb profile, and low fat/starch is viable.

It's not like the shroomz know what they are eating, they eat what they can and prefer, and we are tasked with identifying this.

Subtropica surprisingly shows good growth and speed, chewing through pinto beans

Ill be proud to show the first pinto bean subtropica flush in ~2 months


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