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Tacitus
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Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing!
#27287888 - 04/30/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mold again.
Jar with tape on front was agar... Jar with T on it was injected.
Corn was simmered for 90 minutes, drained and dried overnight. Jars were sterilized with alcohol first Jars were filled with corn Jars were oven sterilized at 250F for 4 hours.
Jars grew mold. I have given up on popcorn....
I truly suck at this.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus] 1
#27287894 - 04/30/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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use a pressure cooker?
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Nimpo
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: woofwoof] 1
#27287943 - 04/30/21 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What shitshow of a TEK were you following?
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Tacitus
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Nimpo]
#27287973 - 04/30/21 02:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was trying a popcorn tek.. I do not have a pressure cooker..
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus] 1
#27287978 - 04/30/21 02:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus]
#27287980 - 04/30/21 02:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tacitus said: I was trying a popcorn tek.. I do not have a pressure cooker..
I wouldnt mess with popcorn without one. PF Tek will get ya there if steaming is all you have available.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Nimpo]
#27287985 - 04/30/21 02:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to ask what the pressure cooker is actually doing for you. You have a sealed container so it is not under the pressure generated by PC. So the only thing I can think of it extra heat.
4 hours at 250 should be more than enough to kill anything.
Unless I am totally missing something...
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus]
#27287986 - 04/30/21 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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the really odd thing is the moisture you see, only appeared this morning. It was not there yesterday.... so I am not sure what is going on....
Not trying popcorn again until I have a PC....
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus]
#27287990 - 04/30/21 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tacitus said:
Unless I am totally missing something...
Yeah, a pressure cooker.
Ovens dont sit at whatever temp you set it on for the whole duration. Youre gonna fluctuate up and down 15+ degrees.
Also highly doubt 250 on your oven is actually 250. The majority of ovens have piss poor calibrations. 350 on my oven is actually 322.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Nimpo]
#27288001 - 04/30/21 03:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a commercial oven at home so I will check that out.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Nimpo]
#27288008 - 04/30/21 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A pressure cooker brings water to boil at a higher temperature than 212F at atmospheric pressure. With dry heat in your oven you would burn your stuff to ashes, if the inside would reach the temp as the steam in a pc.
The steam is the key, it transports the heat without loss of moisture.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Goatrider]
#27288061 - 04/30/21 04:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes as the gents are trying to tell you, you can't sterilize grains in an oven. You will only burn and dry it out.
Pressurized steam has inherent penetration of the grains along with a much higher temperature of normal steam.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: sandman420]
#27288254 - 04/30/21 07:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dry heat doesnt sterilize grain.
If you want to do grain but dont have a pc, which is totally doable, you need to steam them in a large pot for 8hrs minimum.
Fill a large pot with an inch or 2 of water, put jars on a rack, bring water to a boil and reduce heat once achieved. Set timer for 8hrs and fill the pot with water as it boils off to maintain 1 or 2 inch depth the whole cycle.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Tacitus]
#27288311 - 04/30/21 08:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Check out this brief guide on how pressure canners work.
tl;dr, what you're missing is that dry air is a horrible thermal conductor. Your popcorn obviously never even reached 250F.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: stubb] 1
#27288338 - 04/30/21 08:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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what they said.
steam grain jar for eight or so hours adding water the whole time.
 steamed wbs shroom
most large scale spawn producers steam in huge batches for 24hrs so its not unheard of its quite common.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: mushboy]
#27288384 - 04/30/21 09:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said: what they said.
steam grain jar for eight or so hours adding water the whole time.
 steamed wbs shroom
most large scale spawn producers steam in huge batches for 24hrs so its not unheard of its quite common.
Then why does everyone insist on PCs? Im just curious.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: CantStandYa]
#27288399 - 04/30/21 09:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So they don't have to wait 8 hours for grains to steam sterilize in a pot and you don't have to keep adding water
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: tiptrippy]
#27288466 - 04/30/21 10:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
tiptrippy said: So they don't have to wait 8 hours for grains to steam sterilize in a pot and you don't have to keep adding water
Or even more precisely but in line with this, so they can do like 3 runs normally in the same timeframe and not have to watch a pot that is inherently losing a lot more water than a pc. If my stove is going to run 8 hours, its going to give me 60qts of grain sterilized, not a dozen quarts maybe sterile lol. Get a PC if growing mush anything more than PF style, its really not optional.
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: Smartattack]
#27288820 - 05/01/21 08:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What they said.
It's one thing to wait 24hrs and steam sterilize a couple hundred pounds of grain but waiting 8hrs or longer for one batch would be
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Re: Holy Shit! Look What I Am Growing! [Re: mushboy]
#27288887 - 05/01/21 09:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, that replacement water that you have to keep adding, must also be boiling, otherwise it will crack your jars.
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