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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: FrostyStipe]
#27556634 - 11/24/21 05:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell yeah to the hericium thread! I'm about to start growing eranaceus in jars and had a question for everybody. Has anybody experimented with whether gravity affects the aesthetic development of the fruitbody? I was considering laying the jars on their side sticking out a little over the shelf so they would droop down, but Im doubtful it will actually matter too much vs. Topfruitung. I wouldn't expect that it would affect yields, just curious if anyone has experimented with whether it matters for the look of the fruit/direction of the teeth maybe.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Soviet Data]
#27556861 - 11/24/21 09:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience it doesn't matter a whole lot. These 2 jars of Corraloides where both fruited while laying on their sides:
 Not a whole lot difference in the "normal" morphology. Although come to think of it almost all my fruits hang sideways already anyway:

One thing doesn't change, no matter how you fruit; when it matures those "hairs" that start forming always adhere to gravity
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Wrightii]
#27557041 - 11/25/21 01:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just made my first Lions Mane fruiting blocks! I started with quart jars of millet(no prep, 1cup millet, 1/2cup water 1/8tsp gypsum) inoculated with LC from Amazon. Once colonized I added half a jar each to 5lb bags of supplemented hardwood(5cups hardwood fuel pellets, 1 1/4cup wheat bran, 1.4 liters water). Once these blocks are colonized, I plan on starting a new one every few days to get a staggered harvest. How many flushes can I expect from each block?
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: JXAllen]
#27557062 - 11/25/21 02:26 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always found it difficult to get lion's mane to flush again after the first, unless I thew it outside. Then, usually WEEKS later some random fruits would pop up, but that's about it. Maybe others have better luck.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Forrester]
#27557064 - 11/25/21 02:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never grew lions mane, but with Corraloides i usually got 2 or 3 flushes. I would just put them back in the fruiting chamber and give them some good mistings at the slits in the bag. Did take quite a while tho sometimes, and the first flush is often the most pronounced anyway.
Then again, I only know it from corraloides. Your milage may very well vary.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Wrightii]
#27557067 - 11/25/21 02:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmmm... this seems like a lot of "stuff" for just one flush.... would it be better for me to make smaller blocks? Or would that just result in smaller mushrooms?
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: JXAllen]
#27557072 - 11/25/21 02:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I myself would at this point not change the bags/blocks anymore. That's probably going to be a huge party for contams. Maybe (if the second flush doesnt come) you can try dunking them to hydrate and cold shock. No idea if that would help here, but it does for many other mushrooms
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Wrightii]
#27557082 - 11/25/21 03:11 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh no! Lol, I didn't mean making these bags smaller. They are what they are now. What I get is what I get I meant, going forward, if I'm only expecting one flush per block, should I just make smaller blocks? What size blocks and what ratio of grain spawn to supplemented sawdust would you expect to yield around a pound of fresh mushroom per block? In guessing at that number too... is a pound per harvest a reasonable expectation?
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: JXAllen]
#27557084 - 11/25/21 03:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pfoe haha. I think Stamets said something like 500 gr / 5 pound of supplemented substrate (so about 5% efficient). If you'll make your next blocks smaller the fruits will consequently also be smaller. Large blocks with a single or two slits for fruiting can produce quite impressive fruits.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Wrightii]
#27557499 - 11/25/21 10:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wrightii said: Pfoe haha. I think Stamets said something like 500 gr / 5 pound of supplemented substrate (so about 5% efficient). If you'll make your next blocks smaller the fruits will consequently also be smaller. Large blocks with a single or two slits for fruiting can produce quite impressive fruits.
Your fruits will not be smaller but your flush will be.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Forrester]
#27557744 - 11/25/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Forrester said: I always found it difficult to get lion's mane to flush again after the first, unless I thew it outside. Then, usually WEEKS later some random fruits would pop up, but that's about it. Maybe others have better luck.
I'm in the midst of my first time growing from spawn vs. a kit, but when I've done kits before (pre-colonized sawdust block in a bag) they've always done one or two more flushes on their own. I would just spritz a plastic bag draped over the block for humidity and the fruits didn't grow spines properly, which I've read is a symptom of low humidity. So maybe dropping humidity for a bit then raising it again after a flush could trigger it?
The southwest mushrooms guy on YouTube top fruits from his bags then cuts holes in other parts of the bag for additional fruiting and seems to get good results. Not sure about multiple flushes from jars though. Do jars lose more moisture than bags? I've heard of people adding water to jars to initiate second flushes.
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Re: The Official Hericium Thread [Re: Soviet Data]
#27557748 - 11/25/21 03:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah a dry out then rehydrate period works for most stuff, it's just with LM I think there's a longer wait between, and isn't usually worth taking up space in the FC for that long for me.
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Re: The Hericium Thread [Re: Forrester]
#27587373 - 12/19/21 02:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first time inoculating with grain spawn I was worried about contamination (working with a SAB) so I did 2 jars supplemented and 2 pure oak pellets. Seems like none are contaminated!
I wanted to share this cool disparity between the growth of the jars with wheat bran vs. those without. Supplemented jar is on the left. It is growing faster and more uniformly. Neat stuff! Especially interesting to me because of how inexact my measurements were. Didn't have a scale at the time and most recipes go with weight not volume, so I did 2 cups fuel pellets and a quarter cup bran per jar, which didn't seem like no 20%, but I was erring on the side of caution.
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nice. did you go with a center hole and fill with grain or lc?
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Re: The Hericium Thread [Re: taku]
#27587496 - 12/19/21 04:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those big jars were grain spawn into a center hole. I had a bad view of what I was doing in the SAB since the jars are so huge haha. It seemed like the grain clumped and piled at the top so I'm not sure if much if any went into the hole. Time will tell I guess. Could be that the hole just filled up with less grain than I thought it would take.
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How big of a gas exchange hole you got in those lids?
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Re: The Hericium Thread [Re: Forrester]
#27587579 - 12/19/21 05:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mayb an quarter inch or so. My thumbs are pretty skeletal. You can kinda see the outline of the hole here.
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In my experience these type of jars packed with a dense substrate like sawdust and wheatbran don't do all that well. Colonization took much much longer for me compared to jars with a courser sub like woodchips (not weeks but months, which I never saw before). The clumpy sub became impossible to shake loose to speed it all up a bit. Compared to jars with (small) woodchips with grainspawn it took longer, and the yield as far as my sampling goes did not differ a whole lot. One even stalled and contamed, which is something uncommon for me doing Hericium. Also; cleaning these after is hell compared to a loser sub. I don't want to discourage you tho! Just my personal experience. Maybe my inoculation method wasn't perfect, as I just injected LC without any straw in the middle. Let me know if your experience differs! Maybe my (just-try-something) TEK is just lacking.
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Re: The Hericium Thread [Re: Wrightii]
#27587638 - 12/19/21 06:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks, Wrightii. Don't worry, I'm not discouraged! I'll take any advice I can get! Currently I'm throwing as much shit at the wall with what equipment I have and seeing what sticks. I did LC into sawdust with rye berries a few weeks ago in quart jars, with a little pile of extra grain on top. Those are both about half colonized since Nov. 30th and had no wheat bran. I'm guessing if they keep going at the rate they are full colonization time will be 5-6 weeks. I might try that again but with the wheat bran, to see if I can decrease the colonization time.
I'm curious to see how these bigass jars play out. After I bought them I read about how fresh air exchange can be a problem with bigger jars, but all my quart jars were in use and I got more substrate than I can use in a timely manner. They're colonizing nicely for the time being at least.
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I did qt. Jars with a 1/4" hole and poly stuffing as a filter. Worked great and grew decent enough. Didn't have any issues cleaning them, just used a stick with a scrubber end, the type you use for a glass or a water bottle. Anyway, only did one batch to gain some experience with bottle method. Want to try again in the future though, liked it.
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