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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#27285558 - 04/28/21 07:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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That’s what’s going on with me too.
The second node fan leaves are bigger than anything on my 6-7 node tall soil plants.
I hate when I do things with too many variables to tell what’s causing something.

The plants that I topped have a lot more secondary growth going on now, but I also switched from a garbage Chinese led to a real light the same day I cut them.
I just found out about colloidal silver and how cheap it is and now I’m super stoked for making seeds
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
#27285566 - 04/28/21 07:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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lmao i feel, it's hard to pin down what caused what when you change a bunch of stuff at once. it was really crazy seeing such a stark difference between soil & hydro though. i found the same thing; my younger hydro plant was much larger than the older clones going in soil. when you're mainlining nutrients to the plant in hydro it kinda makes sense lol
ooh i've always been curious about making my own feminized seeds! i'm currently just keeping some mothers but feminized seeds would be dope. i didn't realize colloidal silver was easy to find/purchase
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I've always used 3 & 4 gal for my autos. I'm trying 2gal now. All fabric pots. I just started using 5gal fabric for photos. I've always used 4gal fabric. They are thin as the 2gal but taller than the 5. I have 3gal square fabric and they look like 5gal.
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Yeah it's pot size, but also light. There's a 260 over those babies right now, which is plenty for the sq footage, but they were grown up in a quarantine chamber with a board of only 90W, so I expect to get slightly bigger ladies for the round I'm germinating now...
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Definitely light. I love my lights. Heck you can grow a full plant in a solo cup. Do any of you have electric sky? Any version?
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it's also pot size. You cannot grow a full sized autoflower in a solo cup. It's because they start to flower the minute the roots sense they are reaching maximum substrate colonization. Hence pot size determines plant size most.
I've grown auto's in those size pots before with the 260 QB lights, and they didn't get much bigger... What's in the soil will also steer a lot of it, but that's too much for my understanding atm.
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Hey Lizard wizard, I didn't finish reading the thread to see if you're mite problem was over, I had those fukers so bad last year I had to shut down, nothing worked. It's been about 14-15 months now and I just am starting to get the itch to try again. My dad told me before he passed away that they can hangout for a year in a room without any food or water, he's been right about everything else so hopefully it has been long enough that they've either died or moved on, but it blew my mind when I read that they can hibernate for a year, I can't think of any of critters that are so resilient.
As for the AROYA platform, that's super exciting to me, it's exactly what I was looking for, but not only for cannabis but it would be interesting to see if it would be compatible for large scale mushcult. Has anyone seen this being used in mushcult or heard aboutit?
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I using living soil. Add in extra endo & ecto mycorrhizae and bacteria & microbes. They were competitions where ppl grew there plants in solo cups. The red ones. Seed to harvest. Some were not small.
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Is it normal for the leaves to go almost vertical in the morning?
They’ve dropped a little bit since I woke up but still making the Y shape.

The solo cup grows are crazy I was checking those out the other day. Seems like most of them are coir grows where the guy ends up feeding them 6+ times a day during flower.
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a]
#27286383 - 04/29/21 10:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc, I seem to have gotten rid of them now, but I did also have to shut down for a month or so. In the meantime, I heated my grow rooms to 55°C for about 5 hours while also giving them a long and thorough sulfur fumigation; I flash pasteurized all PP containers with soil in my steam sterilizer at 121°C at 21 PSI, just heating up every container letting it get to pressure, then straight back down buy cutting the power and opening the vent. I also did that with all the soil that I'm re-using for cannabis outdoors, the used soil that went to the veggie garden didn't get steam sterilized. I left some rich worm compost soil in the bottom of the outdoor pots, covering those unpasteurized soil bottoms with Metarhizium anisiopliae spores before throwing pasteurized soil on top.
The plants that I had to throw out (second time!) cause they had minor infestations that kept reappearing despite quite aggressive methods and efforts, I threw in a burning barrel, waited for a week or so for it to dry out, then set fire to the bundle. It was a bit cathartic to burn those fuckers.
I didn't really completely shut down for a month though. I VERY thoroughly heated and sulfur fumigated my small pregrow closet before cleaning it with alcohol and wiping it ALL down, cleaning every last square mm, then I waited for a week to do it again, then I started 2 auto's, a and an , keeping them in isolation and not touching them at all, and making sure I had my hands and forearms disinfected before opening for watering. The goal here was to see if the room was clean. After all, what better control than a pot plant? Then I proceeded to heat, sulfume, alcohols spray and clean the living hell out of the bloom room and removing all the soil that had to come past my bloom room, pasteurizing what I was gonna re-use, I also checked for caulking options (Didn't find anything, but I was already pretty solid on that point after doing some touch-ups a couple weeks before...), then when the growing auto's were big enough and a couple weeks more had passed, I did a sulfuming on them with the lights on.
Sulfuming with the lights on makes your leaves go to shit, gives you big damages, and that is true even without any bug present, but it looks like bug damage, and it comes on strong. Its not the bugs though, only I just realized that by this time, as I had checked these plants with a microscope so often, never finding even 1 bug. Before I'd have this damage and think it was bugs that died off from inside the leaves or something, but no, it's sulfur fuming damage. The plant closest had it horribly.
It's recovering, but it's buds look like they will turn out a lot less full than they could have had they not been stunted by the sulfur round.
I'm still highly vigilant, I've cleaned and alcohol sprayed my room, the closets inside and out, being extra thorough with untreated wood sections, and after the last sulfuming round I didn't clean anything off so the layer of sulfur keeps doing it's job.
My outdoor plants will no longer be tended to much, because that allows hitchhikers to come in, and I also won't be doing any in-season grows outdoor, just pre-season, and I will be preventive, applying wettable sulfur to the young growing plants, have to apply that to my trees anyway cause almost all fruit bearing ones got some shit with the leaves going on, also spraying them with metharhizium spore solution as well as alcohol spraying when any infestation shows up.
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here are my 2 tents today. the girl scout cookies auto is about to get the chop. she is mostly cloudy trichomes with some amber and clear. im about out of smoke so i need to take this down to prevent from running out. its a shame i broke off a main in the begining of her mainline


i also took a bunch of cuttings off the mimosa evo in the flower tent. this is first time im using this auto cloner that i made.
 i normally clone in a dome on a heat mat in some peat pellets or just straight to soil, but i thought this would be cool and speed up my rooting times.
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27286478 - 04/29/21 11:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Is it normal for the leaves to go almost vertical in the morning?
They’ve dropped a little bit since I woke up but still making the Y shape.
That's normal and a good sign. Sometimes referred to as praying, like they're blessing the light with their hands. Indicates good conditions in the root zone and air, they're flexing their strength. They do this because they can catch more total photons at an angle than if their leaves were flat and shading each other. Evolved to compete for light in the wild among leaves of other plants.
Here's 16 of my girls competing:

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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: Icon]
#27286491 - 04/29/21 11:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah. How they get droopy at bedtime (lights out) because they know the suns going down.
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A.k.a said: The redwoods are one of the coolest places in the world imo. Good call id love to live up there too.

I live somewhat close to some groves of giant Sequoia in the Sierra, but the coastal redwoods forests have a totally different vibe. Super lush & dank & wet.
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Quirkmeister92 said: I love me some overcast weather.
I do too, to an extent.
I love rainy day vibes, but after a while I do need me some sunshine. And as a gardener I love those crystal clear sunny days.
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Hobbit GDF said: Auto zkittlez Gorilla glue auto Gorilla cookies auto Critical purple auto Cream auto Strawberry pie auto Girl scout cookies auto BlackBerry auto Stardawg auto Amnesia auto
I might be forgetting some, but that's the main autos I've grown. The ones I'm growing now are in veg stage still... Gorilla zkittlez auto Sour diesel auto Gorilla girl XL auto x4 Strawberry pie auto x2
I've been focusing on photoperiod plants right now besides them autos. I've been mainlining my photos and I've done it on a couple autos. Most of them are just LST.
Right on! Nice selection.
I'm debating on how I'm going to grow my autos outdoors, between letting them grow mostly into their natural form or topping and bending/LST them. With my photos the past several years I usually do a bit of LST/topping.
I'm going to be growing two plants of each strain, so I might grow one in its natural form and another with some training just to see what yields better or gives me more prime buds.
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Happy to see you growing some green again! 
Have you grown Mango Smile before? I'll be growing that one soon along with Skywalker and Creme de la Chem, my very first autos!
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind]
#27286549 - 04/29/21 12:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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psi said: I ordered some autoflower seeds that are supposed to arrive today, Magic Melon auto.
Right on!
I'm assuming it's from the breeder Humboldt Seed Co?
IIRC they're who created the original Magic Melon.
My friend grew the regular-photo magic Melon last summer. It smelled really really good, sweet candy tropical melon with some slight gas/fuel, and had a nice coating of resin.
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind]
#27286621 - 04/29/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I dont know shit about growing cannabis outdoors. I've only had indoor grows. I really want to try a clone outside this year but I'm afraid of the "EYE". I live in a town with neighbors on 2 sides. I do have privacy fence so its possible. I grew poppies last year successfully.
Anyway to mask the smell outdoors?
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: openmind]
#27286623 - 04/29/21 01:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah Humboldt Seed Co is the breeder they're from. First autoflower seeds I've seen for sale on the government site here.
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Re: Hanging Gardens [Re: psi]
#27286656 - 04/29/21 02:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I haven't, first time. I've smoked the mango haze from mr nice before though. (parental line)
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Hobbit GDF said: So I dont know shit about growing cannabis outdoors. I've only had indoor grows. I really want to try a clone outside this year but I'm afraid of the "EYE". I live in a town with neighbors on 2 sides. I do have privacy fence so its possible. I grew poppies last year successfully.
Anyway to mask the smell outdoors?
And I don't know shit about growing cannabis indoors lol.
I'm not aware of any way to cover the smell of cannabis outdoors. Perhaps find a strain that's relatively low odor (tho my personal preference, I'm always trying to find the strains that stink the most lol).
So you reside in one of the few states where growing this plant is still a big concern? That's a bummmer...I see federal legalization happening in the next few years though.
My entire neighborhood reeeks like dank during the spring & summer & fall lol. I already smell it and have been for about a month now lol (I'm assuming people are doing early season light dep grows).
Wouldn't be hard to grow a small plant outdoors low key though, keeping it bent & trained down low. And they really only stink the most during the peak of flowering.
I can understand the concern though if you live in a state where the plant is still 100% illegal in every way and have neighbors right next door.
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psi said: Yeah Humboldt Seed Co is the breeder they're from. First autoflower seeds I've seen for sale on the government site here.
I totally forgot you're "up there" lol.
That's interesting to hear though, that their seeds/genetics are being sold up there through the official government sites. Cool!
Can you post a link to the site?...I'm not trying to get anything and obviously can't since I'm not in the country lol, I'm just curious what the site is like, what the menu/selections are like, etc.
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LizardWizard said: No, I haven't, first time. I've smoked the mango haze from mr nice before though. (parental line)
Cool! Are there any distinct aromas coming from your Mango Smile yet?
It's been so long since I've seen/smelled/smoked anything "haze". In my early days of smoking I was all about haze strains, Silver Haze was one of my first "favorite" strains lol .
And though it is an "auto", Mango Smile will be the most sativa/haze based genetics I've grown so far. Even tho it's an auto, from what I gather the plant is still very much a sativa in its structure/form and cannabinoid/terp profile and the high it produces.
I'm really looking forward to growing/smoking it. In the future I'm definitely trying to grow some strains that lean more to the sativa/haze side of things. It's cool that haze/sativa genetics are being worked to flower auto instead of photo, makes it possible to grow sativas in such a shorter amount of time. People with short summers/grow season will be able to grow em'.
I have also yet to grow anything that's straight up classic "kush" or "OG"...With classic pine, skunk, kush, earth, fuel notes...So I'm looking forward to growing the Skywalker.
And same with the CDLC...I haven't grown anything straight up "chemmy", and a prized cut of Stardawg is the mother of the Creme de la Chem.
I'm also looking forward to seeing what freebies I get!
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