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OfflinePsilynut2
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27284886 - 04/28/21 08:59 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I got my shot at 12 :30 pm and a felt like  shit at 4 am when I got up for work . Not long . Most people I know said the second wasn't that bad . My mom said she didn't feel anything .


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27284917 - 04/28/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'm getting all the different vaccines  and I will be impenetrable.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #27284925 - 04/28/21 09:34 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I thought about doing that


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27284936 - 04/28/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

All the vaccines will start fighting each other and you will die.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #27284943 - 04/28/21 09:50 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Thats what I heard so I didn't try it


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27286943 - 04/29/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I actually have a question about Covid vaccines.

Viruses, as we all know, mutate.  So even though the vaccines might work against the strain that is currently going around, they might become totally ineffective against the new strain that might arise in the future.  So, does this mean scientists have to keep rolling out vaccines?  I don't get it.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TinyBee]
    #27286953 - 04/29/21 06:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Covid interacts with our cells via the spike protein. That's what the vaccine has instructions for. If covid mutates the vaccine is still effective. If covid mutates the spike protein it can't even infect you. The vaccines have been effective against the variants that have occurred so far.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TinyBee] * 3
    #27286954 - 04/29/21 06:07 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

That is why you see a push to get everyone vaccinated as soon as possible. We need to knock this virus out NOW rather than chase it for the rest of eternity.
This is also why your anti-vax bullshit it so damaging.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Lynnch]
    #27286961 - 04/29/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

But its nearly impossible to get everyone all vaccinated.  If we miss one person (or a few people), and that will give the virus the chance to mutate, and the entire vaccine will become ineffective.  It just doesn't seem to make much sense.  I believe we should rely on what has been working for literally millions of years: the immune system.  It not only deals with the old virus, it will also defend the body against any new, mutant strains.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Lynnch]
    #27286965 - 04/29/21 06:12 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

For what it's worth myself and a friend of mine got the second pfizer and felt like absolute shit. No one else i know reported anything near as shit as I or my friend felt. I like to think only us two have a decent immune system


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27286970 - 04/29/21 06:15 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Covid interacts with our cells via the spike protein. That's what the vaccine has instructions for. If covid mutates the vaccine is still effective. If covid mutates the spike protein it can't even infect you. The vaccines have been effective against the variants that have occurred so far.




I see.

Well, I don't know enough about virology, but: why is the spike protein so important?  What is it and what does it do?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TinyBee] * 1
    #27287023 - 04/29/21 07:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

It's like a needle. The covid virus pokes your cells with it, and transfers the viral payload. It just happens to work very well.

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I actually have a question about Covid vaccines.

Viruses, as we all know, mutate.  So even though the vaccines might work against the strain that is currently going around, they might become totally ineffective against the new strain that might arise in the future.  So, does this mean scientists have to keep rolling out vaccines?  I don't get it.




Correct. That's why viruses need to be rapidly eradicated. This is easy for some viruses that are naturally self limiting, like ebola. It is very difficult for an airborne respiratory virus like covid.

Two other coronaviruses, SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012, were quickly contained. Covid was not.

If viruses are not immediately eradicated, then they become seasonal. Like the flu. At a certain point, enough of the population gets infected that there is no way to get rid of the virus while keeping the, ya know, population.

Enter vaccines.

Mass vaccinations are a possible way to limit the spread, and if the vaccinations are distributed widely enough, can completely remove a virus from the population. This basically happened with smallpox. It took years of vaccinations, but eventually, no more smallpox. Measles was on it's way out, until antivaxxers brought it back.

Another possible way to limit the spread is an extended and complete lockdown, like, no more leaving the house because the government nailed your door shut and soldiers now deliver food to you for a month lockdown. This is also known as the "Chinese method", and seems to have worked quite well.

In any case, I don't think we'll be rid of covid any time soon. Covid is here to stay, based on how quickly the variants are appearing. Covid looks a lot more like the flu: slightly less deadly, and as a result, able to mutate quickly. Unlike smallpox and measles.

So from now on, I'm thinking we're gonna have a covid season after our flu season, and there will be a yearly vaccine. The good news is that with time, covid will become slightly less deadly. More like the flu. So, I guess, the good news is that instead of 600k people dying of covid, we'll have a gradual decrease in the body count over maybe a decade to more like 50-100k per year, as we get good at treating it. That's just the US numbers.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #27287038 - 04/29/21 07:17 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I see.

But why would mutation cause the needle/spike protein to become ineffective though?  I mean it's not like there is only one kind of spike protein that can latch onto a cell.  Maybe the virus can mutate it but still have it work.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TinyBee]
    #27287054 - 04/29/21 07:31 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Well yeah, eventually. But that takes time. It's an arms race. I bring a tank, and your 2nd amendment militia is now useless until you can find a bazooka. Or grenades.

Except in this case, we're fighting viruses.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TinyBee]
    #27287057 - 04/29/21 07:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Covid interacts with our cells via the spike protein. That's what the vaccine has instructions for. If covid mutates the vaccine is still effective. If covid mutates the spike protein it can't even infect you. The vaccines have been effective against the variants that have occurred so far.




I see.

Well, I don't know enough about virology, but: why is the spike protein so important?  What is it and what does it do?




The spike protein attaches the virus particles to a cell via various receptors. then the lipid shell of the virus opens as does the cell membrane and the virus rna is passed into the cell. The rna is like computer code that gives instruction to your cellular machinery to make new virus particles. The mrna vaccines that are being administered right now work via a similar process but they only send rna code for your cells to build spike proteins rather than functional virus. Your immune system learns the geometry of the spike proteins and make antibodies which are just other particles that fit over and lock onto the spike proteins. If the antibodies come in contact with live virus, they block its ability latch onto a cell. The danger with virus mutations is the rare but possible case of a mutation that changes the spike protein shape in such a way that it can work effectively but the existing antibodies can't effectively latch onto and neutralize it. The thing about viruses is that they are obligate parasites. They don't have the ability to reproduce themselves. This is why dna viruses like small-pox, chicken-pox, polio, etc. are susceptible to eradication via immunization. Rna viruses are more tricky because they are much more prone to mutations resulting from sloppy copies and co-infection of a single cell can lead to horizontal gene transfer, etc. This means that rna viruses have a higher rate of producing non-viable offspring but also a higher rate of "useful" mutation. The key with any virus is denial of hosts. There likely isn't a silver bullet solution to this. More like "all of the above", as in, masks to limit the movement of respiratory droplets, distancing to limit the amount of droplets that make it through and around masks, and vaccinations to limit the danger of serious complications should one become infected. The only caveat is that Mrna vaccine technology is brand spanking new and while the concept seems sound, there are no long-term studies on the effects.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27287065 - 04/29/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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The only caveat is that Mrna vaccine technology is brand spanking new and while the concept seems sound, there are no long-term studies on the effects.




Dude, what if we could get mRNA cancer? Like, the cells which are programed to make dummy spikes for the immune system to practice on, make so many that they just ...spike tumor it up until you die...? I don't know, too much concentration that shit starts falling out of solution, or clogs your kidneys or whatever. Cancer wasn't a perfect metaphor. Subcancer within individual cells.

That is some forum 99 right there, BRB.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #27287080 - 04/29/21 07:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

mrna vaccines aren't particularly new. They've been studied for decades.

Have they been used in this widespread of a test? No. That said, there has never been a vaccine with so few side effects (and so much criticism). In fact, the side effects are so low some people think the vaccine isn't working when it is.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: christopera]
    #27287203 - 04/29/21 09:43 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The spike protein is to covid as wheels are to vehicles.

There's going to be cars trucks motorcycles sure. But they all have wheels to get on the road. The vaccine targets covid's wheels. Many mutations may happen but if it comes up with new wheels it might be called a different virus


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: christopera]
    #27287233 - 04/29/21 10:08 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not really criticizing. I think it's a neat idea that seems to work


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27287338 - 04/30/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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But its nearly impossible to get everyone all vaccinated.  If we miss one person (or a few people), and that will give the virus the chance to mutate, and the entire vaccine will become ineffective.  It just doesn't seem to make much sense.  I believe we should rely on what has been working for literally millions of years: the immune system.  It not only deals with the old virus, it will also defend the body against any new, mutant strains.



Not really. Mass vaccination campaigns have worked throughout history.
Vaccinations work by bolstering your natural immune system in a way that they cannot on their own. 
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I like to think only us two have a decent immune system



This is the only possible explanation.


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