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Bad Trip (What went wrong?)
#27283456 - 04/27/21 05:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Talked to one of my life long friends yesterday and he told me about a bad trip that he recently had. He and a couple of friends had been getting orange gel tabs recently and he said that the last couple of times that he had one, they made him shake really bad. They were joking about it and calling them the Parkinson's tabs. Well, the last time they got them he had one and basically went full retard. Said that he was having a good time and it was like someone turned off a light switch. In an instant, he forgot who he was, where he was at, the names of his friends and how to talk. The only word he could say was "home" and he just kept repeating it over and over. Guess that went on for quite a while before he started to come back out of it. He's been having trouble remembering things, retaining new information and I suddenly don't wanna try acid anymore.
Any ideas on why that happened to him and has anything like that happened to you or someone that you know?
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It was just him not the other people who took them? No tastes? Was it tested?
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: QM33]
#27283488 - 04/27/21 06:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know if anyone else has but I'm sure they didn't do any testing. They're not deep into the scene and probably don't know about reagent tests. It was probably more of a "Hey I know where to get acid. Wanna trip?" type of thing. I just reached out to him for more information. I'll get back to you when he replies.
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He said it actually had a citrus taste and he was the only one that was having any adverse affects from it.
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Wierd. I mean I've had some sweet gel tabs lately, that kind of three me off but were truly flavored.. but they test clean, burn purple.
I mean if you aren't testing it, or have at least tested shit from the source once or twice it's really a gamble.
How many times has he done L? How many did he take?
Would you say this guy is comparable to the others in terms of maturity and ability to handle psychadelics?
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: QM33] 2
#27283774 - 04/27/21 11:03 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also how much was he dosing? Ive had body tremors on moderate/ high doses as well as temporary amnesia from high doses.
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Doctor Mario said: .... In an instant, he forgot who he was, where he was at, the names of his friends and how to talk. The only word he could say was "home" and he just kept repeating it over and over. Guess that went on for quite a while before he started to come back out of it.
Psychedelics can absolutely do that. That doesn't sound like anything out of the ordinary or "bad" though it usually takes a relatively high dose for those aspects to come about. Perhaps the tab your friend took was dosed relatively high and/or your friend is sensitive to LSD/psychedelics.
Forgetting who you are, where one is at, forgetting one's name, forgetting everything about one's life or ever being human at all, having one's entire existence/identity wiped away...That can happen, nothing "wrong" about that at all, in fact some folks strive for that experience. Melting away one's identity and entire "existence" temporarily is something some folks aim for when taking psychedelics.
The 3rd time I took mushrooms about 13 years ago I took a somewhat high dose, around 5g, and I had an experience that was similar. I became reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness. I was no longer in touch with my body or my physical surroundings. I no longer had a name or identity and had no memory of ever having a name/identity, I had no memory of ever existing at all or ever being a human, everything was wiped away. (while this was happening my body was laying down, I basically looked like I was asleep)
And talking and communicating definitely becomes difficult when one is high on psychedelics. For myself, once I get beyond 200mcg to 250mcg it becomes pretty difficult to talk in a normal manner. Beyond 250mcg and I'm not going to be saying or doing much of anything besides laying down.
This usually doesn't happen with casual doses, it usually takes a solid dose to happen, but it is definitely something that psychedelics can do and isn't unheard of. And this is not something that LSD specifically causes, any classic psychedelic can do so (mushrooms, lsd, mescaline, DMT).
As far as the shaking...Having some shakes/tremors, especially during the come up, isn't uncommon either. I usually get some shivers/tremors when coming up.
Sounds like your friends are kinda young and/or new to psychedelics and not fully aware of what psychedelics are capable of catalyzing. Though one single tab usually doesn't bring about such intense effects, it usually takes a larger dose for such to happen, what happened to your friend doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me. LSD can definitely do that if one takes enough, as well as any other psychedelic.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27283878 - 04/27/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with that also
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: SonicTitan]
#27283879 - 04/27/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: Ive had body tremors on moderate/ high doses as well as temporary amnesia from high doses.

That's basically what was going on.
It happens, not unheard of.
Though it is a bit strange it happened to the dude after taking only one single tab. It usually takes a solid dose for one's identity/memory to be melted away like that. But there's a chance that the sheet was a bit unevenly laid and the tab he took was extra-potent lol, and/or the dude could be relatively sensitive to LSD/psychedelics (I can see a "mere" 100mcg to 150mcg causing something like this to happen in some individuals).
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27285492 - 04/28/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like others have said, sounds like a normal experience. Don't underestimate the potency of LSD or psychedelics in general.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Eclipse3130]
#27285772 - 04/28/21 09:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies. I'll share the link to this thread so that he can read through it.
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sounds like ego death. That's not a bad trip, read my previous post in my post history, I don't feel like typing it here again.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: SonicTitan]
#27289170 - 05/01/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: Also how much was he dosing? Ive had body tremors on moderate/ high doses as well as temporary amnesia from high doses.
Even on the cleanest LSD, my old friend would feel slightly weak and tremor-ish on the come up, but by the peak, she was always fine.
I had a friend who ate the orange gel tabs, said at first they were fine, then he got a batch that made him have a really bad experience. Shaking, sweating, feeling ill and faint throughout the experience.
So who knows - I've eaten really impure LSD before, like, 40% pure. The come up was horrible, and the first few hours was rough, like dry heaving, couldn't keep water down, really horrid stomach cramps. But after about 2 hours, I was aight. I felt weak, and didn't really walk around much, but I was SUPER lit. I accidentally took like 500ug instead of 200ug. But I don't want to start this argument.
Regardless, I have seen quite experienced people "short circuit" on what I would call poor quality LSD. People who back in the 80s would eat ten strips without a problem, ate some stuff in 2015 that tested right on a ehlrich test - that short circuited them. They ended up getting arrested after the show - not for like violence, or getting naked, but he just was waiting on the sidewalk to come down enough to get home and the cops picked him up.
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. In an instant, he forgot who he was, where he was at, the names of his friends and how to talk.
thats why we dont take lsd kids.
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ScientificAnalysis said: . In an instant, he forgot who he was, where he was at, the names of his friends and how to talk.
thats why we dont take lsd kids.
That's way more common with mushrooms, though. Not saying that LSD can't do that, but from my experience ego-loss is more likely to happen with shrooms than with lsd. Especially from one hit only.
Citrus flavour is pretty uncommon, though. Never had gels myself, but I guess they should be almost tasteless. Gelatine is tasteless, lsd is tasteless. Any "acid" that has a strong flavour is sketchy, imo. Better test it. Test kits are totally legal, and usually cheaper than a single hit of acid. So no excuse not to have a few on hand.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Pandemoon]
#27292675 - 05/03/21 06:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, you should test it now a days.
They busted all the bigger lsd labs not too long ago, so a lot of bad suff is out there. It's not lsd.
People have died and the loved ones that gave it to them went to prison.
Lsd won't hurt you if you are not just doing it stupidly.
Damned government messing up a safe thing and killing people.
That sounds about right from them.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy] 2
#27292995 - 05/03/21 08:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sub-Easy said: Yeah, you should test it now a days.
They busted all the bigger lsd labs not too long ago, so a lot of bad suff is out there. It's not lsd.
People have died and the loved ones that gave it to them went to prison.
Lsd won't hurt you if you are not just doing it stupidly.
Damned government messing up a safe thing and killing people.
That sounds about right from them.
The hell are you talking about? The last major LSD lab busts were like decades ago.. there's the least amount of RCs circulating in over a decade. If anything, we are experiencing the greatest flood of LSD in the last 25 years. I haven't heard of an nBOME being marked off as LSD in forever. There's lots of different quality about, but it's all certainly LSD or potentially an RC lysergamide if you are unlucky.
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ScientificAnalysis said: . In an instant, he forgot who he was, where he was at, the names of his friends and how to talk.
thats why we dont take lsd kids.
Ive seen it happen on more than LSD. My friend instabtly forgot who he was in mid sentence on MDMA lol. Its not unusual to hapoen on psychs of any type really.
I could see heavy doses of edible cannabis having those effects too. Ive had tremors from getting way too stoned.
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Typewritermonkey, I'm going off of three news articles about fake lsd that's killed people and another on google that says the last lab was busted in 2000 something.
The several documentaries I've seen, have all the old guys retired and saying that you can't get the ingredients anymore.
And I have yet to see anything about a modern lab, even though there is plenty of stuff about people manufacturing other drugs.
I don't know we're your finding this information, but I wish you would tell me. Because as far as google is concerned. It's all gone.
And I've seen everything available on google and youtube.
Or if I haven't, I don't know how I could have missed it.
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Doctor Mario said: ... He's been having trouble remembering things, retaining new information ...
having trouble remembering new information is not a side effect of LSD
If this is actually a persisting problem, then I think that either a brain injury has occurred, (ministroke?) or a neurological problem is happening which has nothing to do with the lsd.
the rest, yeah, could happen. but ongoing low retention is moving into premature altzheimers...
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy] 2
#27293801 - 05/04/21 11:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sub-Easy said: Typewritermonkey, I'm going off of three news articles about fake lsd that's killed people and another on google that says the last lab was busted in 2000 something.
The several documentaries I've seen, have all the old guys retired and saying that you can't get the ingredients anymore.
And I have yet to see anything about a modern lab, even though there is plenty of stuff about people manufacturing other drugs.
I don't know we're your finding this information, but I wish you would tell me. Because as far as google is concerned. It's all gone.
And I've seen everything available on google and youtube.
Or if I haven't, I don't know how I could have missed it.
I don't know if you realize, but it's 2021, the year 2000 was 21 years ago.
How do you consider 21 years ago to be, "Not too long ago"
Just because some "old guys" on some random documentary said you can get the "ingredients" anymore doesn't mean shit lol.
You are not going to get legit information on the current state of the LSD market by looking at youtube and google . "Google said all the LSD is gone" . Google is not the place to find LSD or any information about the LSD market .
TWM is absolutely correct though, and that's basically the same thing I was going to say before I saw his reply to your post. There is an enormous amount of high quality legit LSD out in the world right now, super cheap too. And any "RC" that someone might come across being passed off as "LSD" is likely going to be a lysergamide that is very similar to almost identical to LSD, even that is a bit unlikely though considering that LSD is often cheaper than RC-lysergamides .
I don't think anyone is produce nbome compounds right now though. It's been a very long time since I've heard anything about them being in circulation or being sold by RC vendors.
Currently there is more legit LSD in circulation around the world than there has ever been before, and there is very little to virtually no RCs in circulation being passed off as LSD like the nbome chems that were going around back around 2006-ish to 2012-ish. It has been almost a decade since I've heard anything about 25i/nbome.
If one looks at all the drug testing sites, basically every single tab of "acid" tests positive for LSD. I haven't seen a single tab test as something other than LSD for many years now.
Also the price...LSD is dirt cheap these days, far cheaper than it has ever been before (even cheaper than it was during the 60s & 70s. Considering the low price and how widespread it is, I'd say it's easy to assume there is a huge amount of quality/legit LSD going around right now and it has been for 6+ years now.
Your entire line of thought about LSD was somewhat true like 15 to 20 years ago....Times have changed. Over the past 5 to 10 years or so there's been a huge flood of legit LSD!
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind] 1
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Your friend's trip doesn't even sound bad, just way stronger than what he was expecting. A lot of people use psychedelics almost exclusively to get to a state of mind where they can escape societal pressures and the kind of guarded hypnosis we tend to settle into over long periods of comfortable living.
LSD is not for everyone, and as someone who is pretty high strung/anxious most of the time it does certainly bring that out in me. At the same time I have enough experience with psychedelics to sort of understand that LSD isn't causing the anxiety, it's just causing it to 'surface' since I normally try to ignore it without getting rid of it. Once again though some people really can't handle it so it's important to be very careful and dose low.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: jdawg333]
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Dude, I'm almost 40, so I'm out of the loop. I get around, but other than growing them myself, I've only ever seen mushrooms one time. Had good acid once when I was 12 and once when I was 36, and had good coke once. Good to know that ergot is making its way out of the fields and into the lab again. Don't bother googling were LSD is coming from. According to them it doesn't exist anymore. You sure you guys are doing real LSD. I've done plenty over the years that didn't do shit unless you took a handful. Most of the time it didn't do anything at all. I buy it every time I find it in this big old city.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
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You say 20 years ago was a long time. Do you remember when you were a little kid and you went to the skating rink or a boring grown up meeting, and an hour or two seemed to last forever? Well when you turn 30 you will go to bed one night, and wake up 40. A week seems like two hours, and 2000 was a month ago. Talk about altered states of reality. It'll blow your mind.
I can't see how you can have a bad trip on acid. It's like candy compared to mushrooms. Even small amounts of mescaline ,salvia, or even K2/spice are more unreal and confusing. Acid just makes everything look crazy as fuck, and you completely loose your mind, and have fun doing it. But everything else makes you not know the difference between the trip and reality. I always know I'm tripping when I'm on acid. I'm in another world on the rest of the stuff and don't know where the old world is anymore. And "the old guys" in the documentaries supplied the whole world with LSD. Seem like a reliable source to me, not to mention our heroes, so show some respect. That's like calling Robert Johnson just a young black guy standing on the side of the road. Granted the documentaries might have been old as dirt. I don't know.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
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Sub-Easy said: Dude, I'm almost 40, so I'm out of the loop. I get around, but other than growing them myself, I've only ever seen mushrooms one time. Had good acid once when I was 12 and once when I was 36, and had good coke once. Good to know that ergot is making its way out of the fields and into the lab again. Don't bother googling were LSD is coming from. According to them it doesn't exist anymore. You sure you guys are doing real LSD. I've done plenty over the years that didn't do shit unless you took a handful. Most of the time it didn't do anything at all. I buy it every time I find it in this big old city.
Yes...I am positive that the tabs and liquid I've taken over the years have in fact been real deal LSD. There are even test kits these days that one can use to verify that it's LSD.
Knowing the people I've got my doses from. Seeing tabs being tested with reagents. Seeing people post their tabs on here. Dosing liquid that a friend made himself with raw crystal. Seeing all the tabs posted on drug testing sites testing as legit LSD these days. Seeing the price of LSD drop over the years along with it becoming more wide spread. Nbome chems becoming almost non-existent these days over the past decade. Seeing tons of various sheets/tabs/gels at festivals and online over the recent years...At one festival I wasn't even able to give LSD away for free because everyone I asked said they were already plenty high and/or already had plenty of their own LSD...All sorts of things point towards there being a huge amount of legit LSD out in the world these days.
And the doses these days are dosed well & proper too! Majority of the doses in circulation these days seem to be right at/around 100mcg, don't go taking a handful lol...A single tab is plenty for a full on trip, even 1/2 tab will have me pretty "high" and tripping, even 1/4 of a tab will have me filled with lysergic energy/stimulation all day long....2 tabs will have me pretty far out, 3 tabs and I'm basically losing touch with my body and physical surroundings and slip into and introspective trance. 1.5 to 2 tabs is typically more than plenty for me most of the time.
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Sub-Easy said: You say 20 years ago was a long time. Do you remember when you were a little kid and you went to the skating rink or a boring grown up meeting, and an hour or two seemed to last forever? Well when you turn 30 you will go to bed one night, and wake up 40. A week seems like two hours, and 2000 was a month ago. Talk about altered states of reality. It'll blow your mind.
I totally hear what you're saying .
I'm 34 myself and yea, around the year 2000 doesn't seem that long ago at all. Time already flies by for me.
But in regards to drug markets...I do not consider 21 years to be "not too long ago", things can change drastically and rapidly within drug markets. Just because there was a big LSD bust 21 years ago doesn't mean there isn't LSD around today.
In the early 2000s there was a major LSD bust (William Leonard Pickard, in the silo). That made a huge impact on the supply of LSD. Then roughly around 2005 to 2010 there seemed to be some L in circulation but most of it was dosed weak and priced super high. And around that same time period nbome chems hit the market, which had a super steep dosage response curve and were potentially lethal for some folks when dosed too high, nbomes are the drugs that were passed off as LSD and killed some folks. Nbomes were going around mostly between 2009-ish to 2013-ish if I recall correctly.
Since about 2013-ish is when I've started to notice LSD becoming way easier to get a hold of and prices dropping a bit...since about 2015 it seems like there's been a huge flood of well dosed tabs of real deal LSD and the prices are dirt cheap (over the past few years I've got 10-strips for $30, and sheets for $170, quality/potent doses too). And in recent years, over the past 5 years or so, there has a been a lot of gel-tabs going around. I've seen more gel tabs in recent years than blotter or liquid.
Check out this drug testing site, I'll post the link below (they test all sorts of drugs that people send in for analysis then post the results online)....Every single tab of "acid" listed tests positive for LSD. Other than one tab testing as 1p-LSD (a pro-drug, it metabolizes into LSD once in the body), and one sample of a powder testing for various nbome chems (surprisingly), everything listed is actually LSD. If one looked at this testing site 10 years ago, there were far less samples of "acid" being tested and almost everything that was "acid" tested positive for nbome chems. Now, it's basically all LSD.
https://www.drugsdata.org/results.php?search_field=substance&s=LSD
These are some gels I had a while back, there's been a lot of these "gel tabs" going around in recent years in various colors and a few different shapes/forms (pyramid, rounded, squares, flat, etc). Both of these have gold flakes in them, that's what those specs are....Super good doses tho! Over the past 6 years that I've been eating them I haven't had a single one that felt weak or disappointing lol, they're all great doses.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
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Hey Subeasy, sorry if I came off a bit aggressive. I didn't mean to be rude or mean or disrespectful and I apologize if it came off that way.
Anyway, I am super in the loop in that world. I am certain I am getting real LSD as I get it in crystal form, and generally its been GC/MS tested and examined under microscopes. I've only been eating LSD for a little over a decade though, almost 15 years - so my knowledge doesn't go back that far. But considering the last lab was busted 21 years ago, there are many people who are eating LSD today who weren't even born when that lab was busted.
But trust me, there are at least a dozen active labs across the western world producing LSD-25 at various grades of purity. There are still a few on the west coast that produce very high quality LSD and have been for decades - some of the same people from the 60s/70s are in charge still.
I agree with you, it's near impossible to have a bad trip on good LSD, you can get a little too high on accident and not want to be that high, but it's not a bad trip. I hope that some good LSD finds you one day soon mate, because it's everywhere!
These days I don't take it that often, maybe like, 3-4 times a year if that. But I love it, it's still my favorite substance ever.
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I live and die by those gels openmind. I got the same ones,ihave the pyramids now but I had the dragon scales before. You getting them from some dead family or what? They got those in the UK? I have some other pretty cool ones maybe I'll take a pic, they like double triangles, in a single "square" And idk about the dragon scales I can't remember, but the pyramids with the gold leaf, at least mine, are 200mcs.
And am I SURE?! I get my L from people who worked with Ken and Bear. Not only that but I test it all on Elrich and it all burns violet. I guess it could be another indolent really, but nowayyyyyman. It's a crying shame if someone can't get a goddamn decent hit of LSD!
I died on some of this acid lollllll. Best worst thing to ever happen to me
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as ridiculous as it sounds I think one way to know acid also hasn't changed is how relatable that 60s shit and stories about it are. it's certainly the same drug it was, no differences.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
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Sub-Easy said: Typewritermonkey, I'm going off of three news articles about fake lsd that's killed people and another on google that says the last lab was busted in 2000 something.
The several documentaries I've seen, have all the old guys retired and saying that you can't get the ingredients anymore.
And I have yet to see anything about a modern lab, even though there is plenty of stuff about people manufacturing other drugs.
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maybe the reason there haven't been any lab busts is because the people making it ae getting away with it.
I'm not a chemist but i understand there are new teks. You can also produce it in other countries if precursors are banned, its the easiest drug in hstory to smuggle. LSD is still being made, maybe not like it used to be, but it still exists
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If someone ended up surrounded by concerned family members screaming "what is your name?" during ego death I could see that causing psychological problems for a while after.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: JonBa]
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JonBa said: If someone ended up surrounded by concerned family members screaming "what is your name?" during ego death I could see that causing psychological problems for a while after.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27307379 - 05/13/21 06:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Something sounds off.
Maybe he should quit taking lsd.
Test your tabs.
Could be he has or had an underlying issue that the experience brought or is bringing out
Id stay clear
The mind is both extremely resilient and fragile.
Once he feels better maybe reintroduce if he wants to i guess, idk. Its his life not mine.
Mushrooms might be better for him or maybe he needs to sort some shit out.
Citrus taste? Sounds strange. Ive tripped hard as fuck before where i could not speak. Never forgot who i was or had amnesia or couldnt remember things etc.
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#27307866 - 05/14/21 05:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never forgot who you were? On acid?
Am I the only one who has "blacked out" or "died" on lsd?
When your off in Lala land to the max,what do you think is left of you that people have to deal with? Usually a mumbling bumbling dingaloo,that's what.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27308324 - 05/14/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Something sounds off.
Maybe he should quit taking lsd.
Nothing about it sounds "off" or out of the ordinary to me .
Forgetting who one is, forgetting one's name, forgetting where one is, forgetting about one's life, forgetting that one was ever a human in the first place, basically having everything wiped away is something that psychedelics are absolutely capable off.
Though such usually doesn't occur from taking a single tab, it usually takes a somewhat larger dose. The tab they took could have been particularly potent or had a "hot spot" of crystal, and/or they could be particularly sensitive to LSD.
But having one's identity and everything wiped away, being reduced down to a "blank slate" of nothing but awareness, is totally normal with moderately high to high doses of psychedelics.
It happens. Some folks actually aim for those types of experiences. It's pretty common with high doses. Nothing wrong or bad about it all.
You say mushrooms might be better for him...but I find mushrooms catalyze this even more so than LSD does lol. IME, for myself, one's identity and one's "self" remains intact more on LSD than it does on mushrooms. Mushrooms can totally annihilate one's identity/self (tho I rarely dose that high).
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27308693 - 05/14/21 04:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I raddled the bars and got a lot of great information.
Your friends experience isn't like anything I've heard of from LSD, but one thing seems to be true about all this stuff.
Everyone's experience is different.
There seems to be a lot of love in this psychedelic play pin...... Climb in!
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27308740 - 05/14/21 05:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've only ever tried 1-plsd. I enjoyed it more than mushrooms. It's easier to control if that makes sense. Sometimes mushrooms are hard to cope with. On that stuff I felt pretty normal except for the visual stuff and laughing a lot. Mushrooms can heavily play with my emotions. I have the real deal now, but haven't gathered the courage to dabble. One of these days...
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IME 1P-LSD was nearly indistinguishable from regular LSD , maybe more speedy/stimulating but on par with regular ol acid
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Well it sounds off and out of the ordinary to me which is why i commented and stated my opinion.
Idc if you dont agree
Its my opinion to share. Dont feel the need to argue about something subjective.
If that were my friend id recommend he were cautious not tell him thats normal everything is all good bro.
If theres an underlying psychological issue then lsd could potentially bring it out or make it worse.
Lsd can be the opposite of grounding ime. Cant think of the word im looking for.
But take your headspace and put it further out there.
Mushrooms ime are far more grounding.
Syd barret comes to mind. I could see people losing touch with reality from repeated high doses of lsd too often or under the wrong circumstances etc.
I couldnt see repeated mushroom use causing that.
Idk this is just my opinion.
I like lsd and all but i personally am a bit more careful with it in terms of the psychological implications of use.
Ive never gone deep with lsd like i have mushrooms Ive dosed a lot of lsd up to 300ug and like i said, ive tripped so hard ive had powerful spiritual experiences, learned lessons, cried and healed, couldnt move or speak, never forgot who i was or names of people around me or most importantly had issues with memory AFTER the fact.
Surprised im the only one edging on the side of caution and preaching safety and the danger of potential psychological effects on some people.
You dont know this persons psychological history or state.
Ive had a person diagnosed as a paranoid schizohrenic ask me about sourcing lsd.
But yeah. 14g of mushrooms leave me rooted firmly in reality on the comedown while lsd can leave me floating in the sky still
Just my experience. You can disagree or whatever.
Even my worst psychedelic experience on 200g of fresh tea after a fast where i literally thought i died, wanted to die, thought id gone crazy, i didnt forget my name or have any type of the described effects
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27308969 - 05/14/21 08:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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more important than what some forum has to say is how he feels about the experience, what he wants to do moving forward
I wouldnt give two fucks if someone on here said it was "normal" if it left them in an uneasy psychological state or made them feel "crazy" etc. Or had lasting ans persisting negative effects on his mental state or health
Ive seen people dose one time on lsd small amounts and had an effect that made me second guess if they ever should have dosed
Everyone is different and as far as being scared to dose lsd based on his reaction or effect, test your tabs.
I wont be quitting lsd myself.
Im more cautious handing out to anyone who wants it than i once was and id make good note to have someone experienced to help anyone who starts having a "bad trip" and be in a proper setting with the right people etc
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
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Well take away for him was that he no longer has a desire to abuse (or use) any substances. Pretty cool, actually. He says that he's tripped acid many many times but never gone super deep. That was a scary moment for him and he said that he doesn't know why anyone would want to experience something like that. I told him yβall are just freaks lol.
Mushrooms can definitely be more grounding. Shit, I cry almost every time I trip. Is that not normal? π
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If i cry i know its a good trip
I dont blame him, what you describe didnt sound like the typical good type of forgetting who you are sort of thing due to a strong spiritual type of experience, if that makes sense
That shit sounds like a oh fuck wtf did i do i think i fucked up type of deal
Hes doing alright now though?
Disassociate was the word i was looking for
I can see lsd having that potential
I like lsd a lot though, im overdue
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27309525 - 05/15/21 08:31 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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He's doing good now. Focusing on life priorities. New job, family stuff. Yeah he said that his mind had been completely wiped. He lost everything all within a second. The only thing he knew was that he didn't know anything anymore and it was scary. I can't imagine that shit. I've had a few bad trips where I start to worry that im stuck in that trip forever.
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Glad hes feeling better and focusing on some good areas in life
Hope the job works out well
Yeah its not always smooth sailing, dont think id enjoy an alzheimers experience
Sounds very confusing and anxiety ridden
Try and relax like "haha who am i...?"
MIB style
Hopefully some of it was enjoyable or positive was taken from it
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27309784 - 05/15/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Well it sounds off and out of the ordinary to me which is why i commented and stated my opinion.
I hear you.
And from my point of view...From reading about and researching psychedelics for well over 10 years now, from reading about hundreds if not thousands of people's experiences/trips reports over the years, as well as based from my own experiences with psychedelics...
....I'd say that having one's identity and "self" wiped away is not unheard of at all. "Losing the plot", forgetting and disconnecting from the "Who, What, Where, When, Why" of what is going on, that is actually a pretty classic and well known aspect of high dose psychedelic experiences. Being reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness with no name or identity can totally happen from high doses of psychedelics . Some people dose high enough just to have that specific type of experience.
I will say, what does sound a bit off and out of the ordinary is that this happened after they took only one single tab! Usually it takes larger doses to catalyze this. No way to put a "#" on it, but I'd say it'd likely take 400mcg to 500mcg+ for this to occur for most folks (having one's identity/self wiped away, "forgetting the plot" entirely). With that said though, I can totally see a dose as small as a "mere" 150mcg causing this to happen in certain individuals.
For myself, when I get to around the 300mcg mark I can easily start dissociating from my body and the external world, basically slipping into an introspective trance where I'm not really responsive to anything "outside" of myself (though my identity/self is still intact around that level). I've never ventured much beyond the 300mcg range but I can totally see just a slightly higher dose being enough for me to be totally "gone" for several hours.
I've briefly "lost the plot" before (unresponsive to my name, unresponsive to instructions, no longer recognizing my surroundings, essentially forgetting all of the "Who, what, when, where, why" of what is going on) from just 150mcg to 200mg. It was only my 2nd or 3rd time tripping on LSD and one of my first dozen trips with psychedelics in general. Granted I did smoke some cannabis shortly before it occurred which no doubt played a big role in catalyzing it, but for about 20 to 30 minutes I was pretty well disconnected from anything outside of "myself".
The 3rd or 4th time I took mushrooms....I took 5 dry grams. Around 45 to 60 minutes after dosing I was laid out entirely, my body remained laying on a bed for the next 4 to 5 hours. I was reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness. I no longer was aware of "I", I no longer had a body, no longer had a name, no longer had any memory of my life or ever existing before or ever being a human, everything about "ME" was wiped away entirely. "I" was reduced down to nothing but a point of awareness. I wasn't unconscious or asleep, I was still totally "aware", but there was no self and no identity involved/attached to the awareness. Every thing was wiped away, there was nothing but a void with intense vibrations running through it/my awareness.
...as I started to come back down 4 to 5 hours later, it was almost like being reborn in a way. Slowly remembering that "this" point of awareness has a body, remembering that the awareness/body that I'm connected to had a name, then aspects/memories of my life slowly started trickling back, remembering family & friends. It was such a trip to be completely wiped away/reduced down to nothing but pure awareness, essentially experiencing the death of one's "self", then slowly coming "back together" and remembering that I had a body, a name, family & friends, an entire life of memories.
"Forgetting the plot" and having one's identity/self wiped away are pretty common aspects/themes of the "death & rebirth" type experiences that people have on psychedelics. Pretty common with high doses.
That type of experience has been pretty well documented over the decades...but yea, I will say that it is pretty out of the ordinary for such to happen after taking just one single tab. That does seem strange, no doubt.
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Yeah i hear ya
For mushrooms i dose alone and lay face first and ive many times felt i was someplace else entirely.
Completely out of touch with my body and only remembered i had one, similar to as you describe i think, hours later when it was like my consciousness was coming back into it and i was regaining function and control
Had that many times with mushrooms experiencing what i would call a vision quest
Had an out of body experience while smoking weed on a comedown past peak before too
But i always knew i was experiencing it and knew who i was even if at the time i wouldnt have been able to speak it or focus enough beyond what i was being shown to fabricate that thought entirely, let alone hold on to it in my mind, if ya know what i mean
I guess i can see that type of thing happening with lsd maybe since i find it more a disassociate
Ive never experienced that type of forgetting, i dont know that i would want to.
That sounds like being completely lost.
I can see that on dmt too
Ive had close to that on dmt or maybe even experienced it a bit
Maybe part of why i dont like it or it scares me type of deal
Im really high atm so might be rambling
I want to work on myself or enjoy this reality or view parts of it in different ways or see new aspects of it type of deal. I dont want to forget who i even am or wtf is even going on. That doesnt exactly sound beneficial or useful.
Is it ?
Even when i was one with all and there was nothing but one. There was still an "I" (me) experiencing it ya know? I didnt forget who i was and other people i knew were even though about (even if i really just thought they were my mind creating them and there is only one consciousness.)
That wasnt exactly enjoyable after that but i knew who i was. I thought i died. But i was still me.
Sounds kinda like this girl i saw at a festival take too much ketamine and get stuck in what people were calling a "k-hole" or something
Didnt look enjoyable
Idk
If i experienced that id betaking a step back to regain composure and reaffirm my grip on things
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
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You haven't been lost on dmt? Familiar with the term blasting off? I feel like if you haven't been lost on dmt your kinda missing the point.if your still completely understanding where you are, where did you even go? Idk I've been pieced back together from a void on dmt, I disintegrated while evaporating into beyond explanation on dmt. And I mean if that's not lost idk what is. I'm talking so lost you dont even know what lost is. Sometime even losing completely comprehension of what is even means to be a being "experiencing" in general. And completely forgetting who you are, in the since "you" "are" nothing, and all that is IS the experience.
And I've totally taken enough LSD and enough mushrooms to feel this way.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: QM33]
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You must not have read my post.
Maybe thats the issue with what i feel like op's description is vs what people are interpreting it as and relating it to their own experience
Btw we could experience the exact same thing and i say i wasnt lost and was me and you say you were lost and werent you, do you not get that?
You think its beneficial to have an experience where you dont know who you are or the people around you are and nothing else beneficial comes from?
My deep experiences were things like the story of man and good and evil or healing from trauma
Those are beneficial. Where you learn or grow
I dont see how not knowing who i am on top of nothing being learned etc is beneficial to my journey
Almost sounds like people are saying if you havent had amnesia you havent tripped hard or had a deep experience
Ive tripped over 100 times
Heres one from 200g fresh tea dosed all at once on an empty stomach
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25185976/fpart/all/vc/1
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