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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy] 2
#27293801 - 05/04/21 11:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sub-Easy said: Typewritermonkey, I'm going off of three news articles about fake lsd that's killed people and another on google that says the last lab was busted in 2000 something.
The several documentaries I've seen, have all the old guys retired and saying that you can't get the ingredients anymore.
And I have yet to see anything about a modern lab, even though there is plenty of stuff about people manufacturing other drugs.
I don't know we're your finding this information, but I wish you would tell me. Because as far as google is concerned. It's all gone.
And I've seen everything available on google and youtube.
Or if I haven't, I don't know how I could have missed it.
I don't know if you realize, but it's 2021, the year 2000 was 21 years ago.
How do you consider 21 years ago to be, "Not too long ago"
Just because some "old guys" on some random documentary said you can get the "ingredients" anymore doesn't mean shit lol.
You are not going to get legit information on the current state of the LSD market by looking at youtube and google . "Google said all the LSD is gone" . Google is not the place to find LSD or any information about the LSD market .
TWM is absolutely correct though, and that's basically the same thing I was going to say before I saw his reply to your post. There is an enormous amount of high quality legit LSD out in the world right now, super cheap too. And any "RC" that someone might come across being passed off as "LSD" is likely going to be a lysergamide that is very similar to almost identical to LSD, even that is a bit unlikely though considering that LSD is often cheaper than RC-lysergamides .
I don't think anyone is produce nbome compounds right now though. It's been a very long time since I've heard anything about them being in circulation or being sold by RC vendors.
Currently there is more legit LSD in circulation around the world than there has ever been before, and there is very little to virtually no RCs in circulation being passed off as LSD like the nbome chems that were going around back around 2006-ish to 2012-ish. It has been almost a decade since I've heard anything about 25i/nbome.
If one looks at all the drug testing sites, basically every single tab of "acid" tests positive for LSD. I haven't seen a single tab test as something other than LSD for many years now.
Also the price...LSD is dirt cheap these days, far cheaper than it has ever been before (even cheaper than it was during the 60s & 70s. Considering the low price and how widespread it is, I'd say it's easy to assume there is a huge amount of quality/legit LSD going around right now and it has been for 6+ years now.
Your entire line of thought about LSD was somewhat true like 15 to 20 years ago....Times have changed. Over the past 5 to 10 years or so there's been a huge flood of legit LSD!
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind] 1
#27293871 - 05/04/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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#27293879 - 05/04/21 11:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your friend's trip doesn't even sound bad, just way stronger than what he was expecting. A lot of people use psychedelics almost exclusively to get to a state of mind where they can escape societal pressures and the kind of guarded hypnosis we tend to settle into over long periods of comfortable living.
LSD is not for everyone, and as someone who is pretty high strung/anxious most of the time it does certainly bring that out in me. At the same time I have enough experience with psychedelics to sort of understand that LSD isn't causing the anxiety, it's just causing it to 'surface' since I normally try to ignore it without getting rid of it. Once again though some people really can't handle it so it's important to be very careful and dose low.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: jdawg333]
#27299211 - 05/07/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, I'm almost 40, so I'm out of the loop. I get around, but other than growing them myself, I've only ever seen mushrooms one time. Had good acid once when I was 12 and once when I was 36, and had good coke once. Good to know that ergot is making its way out of the fields and into the lab again. Don't bother googling were LSD is coming from. According to them it doesn't exist anymore. You sure you guys are doing real LSD. I've done plenty over the years that didn't do shit unless you took a handful. Most of the time it didn't do anything at all. I buy it every time I find it in this big old city.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27299268 - 05/07/21 08:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You say 20 years ago was a long time. Do you remember when you were a little kid and you went to the skating rink or a boring grown up meeting, and an hour or two seemed to last forever? Well when you turn 30 you will go to bed one night, and wake up 40. A week seems like two hours, and 2000 was a month ago. Talk about altered states of reality. It'll blow your mind.
I can't see how you can have a bad trip on acid. It's like candy compared to mushrooms. Even small amounts of mescaline ,salvia, or even K2/spice are more unreal and confusing. Acid just makes everything look crazy as fuck, and you completely loose your mind, and have fun doing it. But everything else makes you not know the difference between the trip and reality. I always know I'm tripping when I'm on acid. I'm in another world on the rest of the stuff and don't know where the old world is anymore. And "the old guys" in the documentaries supplied the whole world with LSD. Seem like a reliable source to me, not to mention our heroes, so show some respect. That's like calling Robert Johnson just a young black guy standing on the side of the road. Granted the documentaries might have been old as dirt. I don't know.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27300194 - 05/08/21 01:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sub-Easy said: Dude, I'm almost 40, so I'm out of the loop. I get around, but other than growing them myself, I've only ever seen mushrooms one time. Had good acid once when I was 12 and once when I was 36, and had good coke once. Good to know that ergot is making its way out of the fields and into the lab again. Don't bother googling were LSD is coming from. According to them it doesn't exist anymore. You sure you guys are doing real LSD. I've done plenty over the years that didn't do shit unless you took a handful. Most of the time it didn't do anything at all. I buy it every time I find it in this big old city.
Yes...I am positive that the tabs and liquid I've taken over the years have in fact been real deal LSD. There are even test kits these days that one can use to verify that it's LSD.
Knowing the people I've got my doses from. Seeing tabs being tested with reagents. Seeing people post their tabs on here. Dosing liquid that a friend made himself with raw crystal. Seeing all the tabs posted on drug testing sites testing as legit LSD these days. Seeing the price of LSD drop over the years along with it becoming more wide spread. Nbome chems becoming almost non-existent these days over the past decade. Seeing tons of various sheets/tabs/gels at festivals and online over the recent years...At one festival I wasn't even able to give LSD away for free because everyone I asked said they were already plenty high and/or already had plenty of their own LSD...All sorts of things point towards there being a huge amount of legit LSD out in the world these days.
And the doses these days are dosed well & proper too! Majority of the doses in circulation these days seem to be right at/around 100mcg, don't go taking a handful lol...A single tab is plenty for a full on trip, even 1/2 tab will have me pretty "high" and tripping, even 1/4 of a tab will have me filled with lysergic energy/stimulation all day long....2 tabs will have me pretty far out, 3 tabs and I'm basically losing touch with my body and physical surroundings and slip into and introspective trance. 1.5 to 2 tabs is typically more than plenty for me most of the time.
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Sub-Easy said: You say 20 years ago was a long time. Do you remember when you were a little kid and you went to the skating rink or a boring grown up meeting, and an hour or two seemed to last forever? Well when you turn 30 you will go to bed one night, and wake up 40. A week seems like two hours, and 2000 was a month ago. Talk about altered states of reality. It'll blow your mind.
I totally hear what you're saying .
I'm 34 myself and yea, around the year 2000 doesn't seem that long ago at all. Time already flies by for me.
But in regards to drug markets...I do not consider 21 years to be "not too long ago", things can change drastically and rapidly within drug markets. Just because there was a big LSD bust 21 years ago doesn't mean there isn't LSD around today.
In the early 2000s there was a major LSD bust (William Leonard Pickard, in the silo). That made a huge impact on the supply of LSD. Then roughly around 2005 to 2010 there seemed to be some L in circulation but most of it was dosed weak and priced super high. And around that same time period nbome chems hit the market, which had a super steep dosage response curve and were potentially lethal for some folks when dosed too high, nbomes are the drugs that were passed off as LSD and killed some folks. Nbomes were going around mostly between 2009-ish to 2013-ish if I recall correctly.
Since about 2013-ish is when I've started to notice LSD becoming way easier to get a hold of and prices dropping a bit...since about 2015 it seems like there's been a huge flood of well dosed tabs of real deal LSD and the prices are dirt cheap (over the past few years I've got 10-strips for $30, and sheets for $170, quality/potent doses too). And in recent years, over the past 5 years or so, there has a been a lot of gel-tabs going around. I've seen more gel tabs in recent years than blotter or liquid.
Check out this drug testing site, I'll post the link below (they test all sorts of drugs that people send in for analysis then post the results online)....Every single tab of "acid" listed tests positive for LSD. Other than one tab testing as 1p-LSD (a pro-drug, it metabolizes into LSD once in the body), and one sample of a powder testing for various nbome chems (surprisingly), everything listed is actually LSD. If one looked at this testing site 10 years ago, there were far less samples of "acid" being tested and almost everything that was "acid" tested positive for nbome chems. Now, it's basically all LSD.
https://www.drugsdata.org/results.php?search_field=substance&s=LSD
These are some gels I had a while back, there's been a lot of these "gel tabs" going around in recent years in various colors and a few different shapes/forms (pyramid, rounded, squares, flat, etc). Both of these have gold flakes in them, that's what those specs are....Super good doses tho! Over the past 6 years that I've been eating them I haven't had a single one that felt weak or disappointing lol, they're all great doses.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27300471 - 05/08/21 05:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Subeasy, sorry if I came off a bit aggressive. I didn't mean to be rude or mean or disrespectful and I apologize if it came off that way.
Anyway, I am super in the loop in that world. I am certain I am getting real LSD as I get it in crystal form, and generally its been GC/MS tested and examined under microscopes. I've only been eating LSD for a little over a decade though, almost 15 years - so my knowledge doesn't go back that far. But considering the last lab was busted 21 years ago, there are many people who are eating LSD today who weren't even born when that lab was busted.
But trust me, there are at least a dozen active labs across the western world producing LSD-25 at various grades of purity. There are still a few on the west coast that produce very high quality LSD and have been for decades - some of the same people from the 60s/70s are in charge still.
I agree with you, it's near impossible to have a bad trip on good LSD, you can get a little too high on accident and not want to be that high, but it's not a bad trip. I hope that some good LSD finds you one day soon mate, because it's everywhere!
These days I don't take it that often, maybe like, 3-4 times a year if that. But I love it, it's still my favorite substance ever.
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I live and die by those gels openmind. I got the same ones,ihave the pyramids now but I had the dragon scales before. You getting them from some dead family or what? They got those in the UK? I have some other pretty cool ones maybe I'll take a pic, they like double triangles, in a single "square" And idk about the dragon scales I can't remember, but the pyramids with the gold leaf, at least mine, are 200mcs.
And am I SURE?! I get my L from people who worked with Ken and Bear. Not only that but I test it all on Elrich and it all burns violet. I guess it could be another indolent really, but nowayyyyyman. It's a crying shame if someone can't get a goddamn decent hit of LSD!
I died on some of this acid lollllll. Best worst thing to ever happen to me
This white on white, you can see the crystal glittering it,I've heard you can see it recrystalized at 500mc
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: QM33] 1
#27300852 - 05/08/21 09:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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as ridiculous as it sounds I think one way to know acid also hasn't changed is how relatable that 60s shit and stories about it are. it's certainly the same drug it was, no differences.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27300951 - 05/08/21 11:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sub-Easy said: Typewritermonkey, I'm going off of three news articles about fake lsd that's killed people and another on google that says the last lab was busted in 2000 something.
The several documentaries I've seen, have all the old guys retired and saying that you can't get the ingredients anymore.
And I have yet to see anything about a modern lab, even though there is plenty of stuff about people manufacturing other drugs.
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maybe the reason there haven't been any lab busts is because the people making it ae getting away with it.
I'm not a chemist but i understand there are new teks. You can also produce it in other countries if precursors are banned, its the easiest drug in hstory to smuggle. LSD is still being made, maybe not like it used to be, but it still exists
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: TonyYayo] 1
#27307305 - 05/13/21 05:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If someone ended up surrounded by concerned family members screaming "what is your name?" during ego death I could see that causing psychological problems for a while after.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: JonBa]
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JonBa said: If someone ended up surrounded by concerned family members screaming "what is your name?" during ego death I could see that causing psychological problems for a while after.


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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27307379 - 05/13/21 06:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Something sounds off.
Maybe he should quit taking lsd.
Test your tabs.
Could be he has or had an underlying issue that the experience brought or is bringing out
Id stay clear
The mind is both extremely resilient and fragile.
Once he feels better maybe reintroduce if he wants to i guess, idk. Its his life not mine.
Mushrooms might be better for him or maybe he needs to sort some shit out.
Citrus taste? Sounds strange. Ive tripped hard as fuck before where i could not speak. Never forgot who i was or had amnesia or couldnt remember things etc.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27307866 - 05/14/21 05:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never forgot who you were? On acid?
Am I the only one who has "blacked out" or "died" on lsd?
When your off in Lala land to the max,what do you think is left of you that people have to deal with? Usually a mumbling bumbling dingaloo,that's what.
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27308324 - 05/14/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Something sounds off.
Maybe he should quit taking lsd.
Nothing about it sounds "off" or out of the ordinary to me .
Forgetting who one is, forgetting one's name, forgetting where one is, forgetting about one's life, forgetting that one was ever a human in the first place, basically having everything wiped away is something that psychedelics are absolutely capable off.
Though such usually doesn't occur from taking a single tab, it usually takes a somewhat larger dose. The tab they took could have been particularly potent or had a "hot spot" of crystal, and/or they could be particularly sensitive to LSD.
But having one's identity and everything wiped away, being reduced down to a "blank slate" of nothing but awareness, is totally normal with moderately high to high doses of psychedelics.
It happens. Some folks actually aim for those types of experiences. It's pretty common with high doses. Nothing wrong or bad about it all.
You say mushrooms might be better for him...but I find mushrooms catalyze this even more so than LSD does lol. IME, for myself, one's identity and one's "self" remains intact more on LSD than it does on mushrooms. Mushrooms can totally annihilate one's identity/self (tho I rarely dose that high).
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: openmind]
#27308693 - 05/14/21 04:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I raddled the bars and got a lot of great information.
Your friends experience isn't like anything I've heard of from LSD, but one thing seems to be true about all this stuff.
Everyone's experience is different.
There seems to be a lot of love in this psychedelic play pin...... Climb in!
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27308740 - 05/14/21 05:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've only ever tried 1-plsd. I enjoyed it more than mushrooms. It's easier to control if that makes sense. Sometimes mushrooms are hard to cope with. On that stuff I felt pretty normal except for the visual stuff and laughing a lot. Mushrooms can heavily play with my emotions. I have the real deal now, but haven't gathered the courage to dabble. One of these days...
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IME 1P-LSD was nearly indistinguishable from regular LSD , maybe more speedy/stimulating but on par with regular ol acid
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Well it sounds off and out of the ordinary to me which is why i commented and stated my opinion.
Idc if you dont agree
Its my opinion to share. Dont feel the need to argue about something subjective.
If that were my friend id recommend he were cautious not tell him thats normal everything is all good bro.
If theres an underlying psychological issue then lsd could potentially bring it out or make it worse.
Lsd can be the opposite of grounding ime. Cant think of the word im looking for.
But take your headspace and put it further out there.
Mushrooms ime are far more grounding.
Syd barret comes to mind. I could see people losing touch with reality from repeated high doses of lsd too often or under the wrong circumstances etc.
I couldnt see repeated mushroom use causing that.
Idk this is just my opinion.
I like lsd and all but i personally am a bit more careful with it in terms of the psychological implications of use.
Ive never gone deep with lsd like i have mushrooms Ive dosed a lot of lsd up to 300ug and like i said, ive tripped so hard ive had powerful spiritual experiences, learned lessons, cried and healed, couldnt move or speak, never forgot who i was or names of people around me or most importantly had issues with memory AFTER the fact.
Surprised im the only one edging on the side of caution and preaching safety and the danger of potential psychological effects on some people.
You dont know this persons psychological history or state.
Ive had a person diagnosed as a paranoid schizohrenic ask me about sourcing lsd.
But yeah. 14g of mushrooms leave me rooted firmly in reality on the comedown while lsd can leave me floating in the sky still
Just my experience. You can disagree or whatever.
Even my worst psychedelic experience on 200g of fresh tea after a fast where i literally thought i died, wanted to die, thought id gone crazy, i didnt forget my name or have any type of the described effects
But yeah be safe and enjoy
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Re: Bad Trip (What went wrong?) [Re: Enkidu]
#27308969 - 05/14/21 08:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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more important than what some forum has to say is how he feels about the experience, what he wants to do moving forward
I wouldnt give two fucks if someone on here said it was "normal" if it left them in an uneasy psychological state or made them feel "crazy" etc. Or had lasting ans persisting negative effects on his mental state or health
Ive seen people dose one time on lsd small amounts and had an effect that made me second guess if they ever should have dosed
Everyone is different and as far as being scared to dose lsd based on his reaction or effect, test your tabs.
I wont be quitting lsd myself.
Im more cautious handing out to anyone who wants it than i once was and id make good note to have someone experienced to help anyone who starts having a "bad trip" and be in a proper setting with the right people etc
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