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few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag 1
#27283400 - 04/27/21 03:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello, everyone...Today i decided to start my first grow bag, its a all in one grow bag so i can do the full grow in the bag. I forgot a few simple steps, i heated the syringe up and juiced the bag but i forgot to sterilize the spot i injected on the bag and i also used the full 12ml spore syringe....have i stuffed up completely or should i be all good?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27283422 - 04/27/21 04:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Welcome 
First of all, you inoculated in a sab? Further you can just sanitize the spot with some alcohol, not sterilize. And yeah 12ml is way too much, unless you have liquid culture. But that`s another story.
It`s just a waiting game now, as
-you don`t know about substrate preparation quality -you don`t know about spore quality
Grow bags are great, but better done G2G in front of a flowhood, for example. Just sit this out now, and give some pictures in about 10 days.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27283424 - 04/27/21 05:04 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks mate.
no i inoculated on my desk...ok cool no problem.
Is it alrite to sit the grow bags next to each other?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27283428 - 04/27/21 05:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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No problem just let them sit. But don`t expect too much 
In the meantime do some research here, every single link there is full of valuable information, there`s really everything in you need.
Best step next is to move away from premade stuff 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider] 2
#27283433 - 04/27/21 05:23 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea bud that’s WAYYYY too much... I would bet 10-1 you’re gonna get contamination in your bag and it won’t be from injecting outside of your SAB.... MSS gave contam in them all of Them do, try looking up agar and take that path it’s almost a guarantee if you only use clean cultures
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Daddy4487]
#27283487 - 04/27/21 06:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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why am i going to have contamination in the bags? too much spore liquid?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27283956 - 04/27/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spore syringes are usually loaded with some bacteria, that`s why we never recommend to inoculate grains with.
It`s brf (pf tek) that works, cause brf can handle bacteria quite good. Seems like bacteria gets collected in a corner there, and gets shut down for a while.
But yeah, the more spore liquid you shoot, the higher the risk of competitors. A mighty weapon is agar, a medium in a petri dish where we put our spores, to see what we get, and transfer good mycelium from there for further cleanup. Usually we can see all the nasties that came with spore liquid, cause they can`t hide on a 2D surface. Finally we put that clean agar mycelium to grains, cause we`re sure now that it`s healthy.
In the end i won`t say that it never works, of course it can. But chances are very low. Don`t forget pics next week 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27284320 - 04/27/21 08:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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cool thanks mate. i wont forget the pics! i think from now on ill go with the agar method, whats the best thread on here to learn agar? i have more spore syringes and i also have liquid culture arriving tomorrow
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Ashtray161]
#27284412 - 04/27/21 10:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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bubblegum said: thanks mate.
no i inoculated on my desk...ok cool no problem.
Is it alrite to sit the grow bags next to each other?
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Goatrider said: Welcome 
First of all, you inoculated in a sab? Further you can just sanitize the spot with some alcohol, not sterilize. And yeah 12ml is way too much, unless you have liquid culture. But that`s another story.
It`s just a waiting game now, as
-you don`t know about substrate preparation quality -you don`t know about spore quality
Grow bags are great, but better done G2G in front of a flowhood, for example. Just sit this out now, and give some pictures in about 10 days.

hey Goatriders, what do u mean unless i have liquid culture?
as im getting liquid culture so im just wondering..
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum] 1
#27284420 - 04/27/21 10:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey bubblegum,
Welcome to the community. Liquid culture means mycelium (the living organism of fungi), but in liquid form, so you can inject it in places (PF jars, Grain jars, Grain bags etc) It is basically just a bit of mycelium (one cubic milimeter of mushroom or agar) that is left to cultivate in a nutritious solution (like 4% honey water). After a while, the liquid will form a web of living mycelium and expand in the liquid jar. When using liquid culture, you are making sure that you are not introducing contaminants when innoculating, because the liquid culture is sterilized prior to inoculation with mycelium, so if you are doing everything according to common sterile procedure, the contam vector would be a minimum. Not only that, but since liquid culture is already live (dikaryotic) mycelium, you won't have to wait a week or two for the spores to "breed".
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27284445 - 04/27/21 10:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks mate, sounds very good thanks for the info. so how long after injecting liquid culture into a bag will i have to wait entill i fruit?
Does liquid culture require only a small amount to be used just like spore syringe?
Can i make more liquid culture from liquid culture?
cheers
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27284529 - 04/28/21 12:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi,
The liquid culture will have visible mycelium forming on your grain in 1-3 days, depending on the vigor and genetics of your LC. You can use a small amount , like 1cc, as long as you transfer visible mycelium to your medium of choice, it will colonize. the more LC you inject, the faster it will colonize (since the mycelium will cover a greater surface area from the get-go), but increasing the moisture by a lot can sometimes increase the risk of developing bacterial contamination. Yeah, you can propagate liquid culture almost indefinitely. The mycelium will lose some vigor after too many transfers, especially if you always transfer to the same food source(honey, potato etc), the fungi can become "lazy". It's recommended to change the nutrition type once in a while (from honey to malt, to grain water etc). But transfering from LC to LC is also risky, since you cannot see the contaminants that well on liquid, it is recommended to go from LC to agar, clean up any contams then to as many batches of LC as you want to make. this will pretty much ensure you are always working clean.
Also, building a Still Air Box is the best thing I ever did, it reduced my contam rate by like 98%.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away] 1
#27284542 - 04/28/21 01:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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cool as, is 1cc = 1ml?
i will have a look at the Still Air Box`s.
what would this be like? https://www.amazon.com/Rogue-Spore-Mycology-Mushroom-Cloning/dp/B0821S812P
thank you...
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27284602 - 04/28/21 03:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, 1cc=1ml of liquid.
I don't recommend "Glove Boxes", so boxes that have gloves glued to the arm-holes, because that creates negative pressure and moves the particles around when you move your hands. A still air box is arguably better at that. Basically just a 60l or bigger transparent tub with two holes cut in it for your hands.
This method allows air pressure to escape through the arm holes, thus the particles lying on the bottom will not be mixed with the air inside the box, making the air more "still"
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27284606 - 04/28/21 03:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look here for getting an idea mate: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23990888
Look out not to buy a flat one, since you want to place some petri sleeves upright there. Shouldn`t be below 40cm. Armholes not too small, since you force piston effect or scratching around, if holes are narrow.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider] 1
#27286180 - 04/29/21 06:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok thanks mate.
update on some progress!
Today i received a liquid culture of APE, so i decided to inject my 3rd bag. Todo this i decided to try and do it the correct way and i made up a flow hood i think its called, just a clear acrylic box with 2 arm holes. I tried to fully sanitize everything as best as possible with 70% alcohol wipes, the only thing i could have slipped up on was not shaking the syringe before use, should i have? also i used just under 3ml of liquid culture.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27286462 - 04/29/21 11:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You made a Still Air Box, not a Flow Hood. If you followed the teks and everything is clean you should have some growth within 2-3 weeks with MSS, and a week with an LC! Good luck
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Alaxandar]
#27286773 - 04/29/21 03:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes you should have shaken the syringe thoroughly not a huge deal... as far as prepping your SAB, I’ve always cleaned it with soap and water first then wiped down with 70% ISO... try putting a towel down either over ur lid to the tote or on the surface ur working on and mist the hell out of it with alcohol as well before putting ur SAB on top.... the damp towel will act like a flytrap to the contams, let it sit still for 5 minutes before working in it and make sure to move quickly and smoothly as not to stir up contamination and you should be golden..
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Daddy4487]
#27287050 - 04/29/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok no probs thanks heaps.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Daddy4487]
#27292754 - 05/03/21 07:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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i cannot see any growth in the APE LC bag yet and its been 5 days. im wondering since i did not shake the syringe should i shake the syringe and re dose the bag with LC?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27293251 - 05/04/21 01:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It can take some time, usually not this much time, but it depends on the conditions you have set up for growth.
Your temperature will affect colonization speed, I believe the optimal temp is between 21-26 degCelsius. Citing from Radical Mycology, the book, mycelium might take a while to colonised when introduced to a new nutrient source, as it is selecting and fabricating the genes that will be best for consuming this type of nutrient. (so changing from honey to grains, it might put a little stress on the mycelium, but it should recover, unless you have many other stress vectors (contaminants, temperatures that are too hot/too cold etc).
You can always inject more Liquid Culture, since it is just live mycelium, but what do your grains look like? Have you inoculated a bag? Did you shake and roll the grains after inoculation to spread the LC all over the grains? If not, you can try to do that next time you inoculate.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27293255 - 05/04/21 01:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, my temps are at 22 degree`s atm, however early morning this would get down to 19 degree`s and slowly go up during the day to about 22 degree`s at night. What’s everyone think about my temps ? Do I need to up them a little ?
no i didnt shake and roll the bag ill do that next time, yes i did inoculate the bag. i think i may be able to see a little growth not sure ill confirm later tonight.
any more tips? cheers
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27303510 - 05/10/21 08:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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does this look all good or?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27303758 - 05/11/21 02:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh sorry. I totally missed that it was an all in one bag, Shaking the bag wouldn't be a good idea. Yeah, the growth looks good to me so far. I guess you just have to wait. for my grains it can take up to 12-14 days for LC to fully colonize. Any more than that and you'd have to think about what could have gone wrong..
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27304894 - 05/11/21 08:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, to fully colonize do u mean the complete bag turn white basically?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27304897 - 05/11/21 08:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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heres the pics from yesterday:
how much growth should i see in a day?




here is the APE it is a Liquid Culture at 11 days:


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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27305006 - 05/11/21 10:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Judging from your pictures I'd say that your bags are going well (if slowly, but no other CONTAM issue). Well you have to wait for the grains to fully colonize, before opening the bag, otherwise the whole thing turns to mold in a few days. After your grains are white, the casing layer will colonize, some people put it straight into fruiting, other wait for the casing to get colonized, your choice really, but if the casing is nutrient rich, then I suggest to wait for it to get colonized, otherwise you can get mold. When all is nice and colonized, you can open the bag, inspect for humidity(The surface of the casing must be covered in tiny tiny droplets, that glisten like diamonds or shattered glass when you shine a flash into them), and make sure the surface gets enough FAE to evaporate some of the water beads, which can induce pinning. After that, just mist the surface and fan as much as you can/want/is needed.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away] 1
#27305017 - 05/11/21 11:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks kinda wet in the bag should use 1CC. It'll probably take 4 months to grow and it'll stall from bacteria before then. Stop buying premade bags.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27305071 - 05/12/21 01:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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half of them pics were the APE liquid culture and i only used 3cc. i don`t think it looks wet to me, i used too much on my first bags and that is the bag in the first few pics. looks very similar to the APE bag and the first pics of the bags were not LC. so will just have to wait and see.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum] 1
#27305100 - 05/12/21 02:01 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that pre-made bags pretty much stink I too tried to use a few when I first started had about 20% success rate. I never used the all in 1 bags, seems better to just get the grain bags colonized then mix with substrate. Those bags look fine to me for now though. I keep seeing more n more new growers getting liquid culture are people on reddit n other websites selling it? Not asking for a source I'm all set on spores and do agar, it just seems crazy to me people are selling LC since spores are already a hush hush operation.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
#27305139 - 05/12/21 03:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes people are selling liquid culture on websites. the grower i get liquid culture of doesnt advertise it as liquid culture they just advertise it as a more expensive strain however when you message them and ask why its more expensive they then told me because its LC.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27305144 - 05/12/21 03:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lc is sold by lots of vendors now, problem is it can spoil in transport due to the heat.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27305147 - 05/12/21 03:24 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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what temp will start to destroy LC? how long will LC survive in the fridge for? iv been told this is the best way to store it? and should last 6 months is this correct?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27305152 - 05/12/21 03:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lc in cold is fine, lc that sits at a high temp for a while will spoil.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27306506 - 05/13/21 02:02 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spore syringes are usually loaded with some bacteria, that`s why we never recommend to inoculate grains with.
It took me a long time to understand why my spore syringe to grain projects always crapped out!
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#27306512 - 05/13/21 02:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spore syringes are usually loaded with some bacteria, that`s why we never recommend to inoculate grains with.
It took me a long time to understand why my spore syringe to grain projects always crapped out!
this is why i am now only using liquid cultures. less chance off contamination!
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306515 - 05/13/21 02:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You test that liquid cultures on agar?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27306519 - 05/13/21 02:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Goatrider said: You test that liquid cultures on agar?

haha, no! im yet to learn agar! can you please reply to my post about the PF tek bags? im wondering can i fruit in them?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306522 - 05/13/21 02:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course, you can fruit everything in bags, if there`s nutes in. Nevertheless it`s way harder growing that way instead of moving to agar. If you plan to keep this hobby up, you don`t learn a single bit on cultivation. 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
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Goatrider said: Of course, you can fruit everything in bags, if there`s nutes in. Nevertheless it`s way harder growing that way instead of moving to agar. If you plan to keep this hobby up, you don`t learn a single bit on cultivation. 

ok thank you, the reason i ask some bags only have grain in them, but these PF tek bags have BRF Vermiculite, so i presume they will be able to fruit in this bag because they will get there nutes from the BRF yes? also thinking about moving to agar, just need to get my head around it.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306529 - 05/13/21 02:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya that's true. Once it's fully colonized you can fruit in the bag ( may run into some side pins if it shrinks down ) or take it out and put in a humidity chamber or something similar. Just an FYI if you have or get a pressure cooker you could make those bags for like $10 instead of $55. I know it's easy and convenient but just hate to see people basically throw money away.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306532 - 05/13/21 02:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vermiculite holds moisture. For grains, once you plan to fruit in a bag, you should patch some coir or again vermiculite on top to not let it dry out.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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WyoMX said: Ya that's true. Once it's fully colonized you can fruit in the bag ( may run into some side pins if it shrinks down ) or take it out and put in a humidity chamber or something similar. Just an FYI if you have or get a pressure cooker you could make those bags for like $10 instead of $55. I know it's easy and convenient but just hate to see people basically throw money away.
ok cheers,
ok if i went with making my own, what materials are best to use to make a bag that i can fruit in? is Brown rice flour and Vermiculite my best choice?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306549 - 05/13/21 03:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeh the brf is the nutrient source so you can fruit in the bag.
Look into wbs, millet, rye, corn, oats, etc.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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Have a quick listen mate.
Bags perform best when inoculated with LI, LC or G2G. As a newbie in mycology, it`s easy to mess things up trying bags. If you run into issues, you won`t know what failure to look for, as there can be many with bags, if you didn`t catch up basics beforehand.
So i may advise to have a look at the flowchart, maybe rethink your plans then. Again i won`t talk that out of you, but it makes me sad seeing ambitious people throwing their money away.

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I'm a self proclaimed trusted member on here, and I ask that you use the search box for your questions. I even typed how to get a gf and there were threads.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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I'm taking your word on it, I get home from work and I'll try to find out how to get a gf. Thanks for the hot tip brosky!
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
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hows these looking: these 2 are from spore syringe`s at 20 days


this is a liquid culture at 18 days:

what does everyone think of the progress? im thinking i need a little more heat...im currently at 19-20 degrees.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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That doesn't look good my friend. Did you buy that bag premade? I don't like premade bags anymore they're always too wet.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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ok not the reply i was hoping for, yes i brought them pre made.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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You can give it another 10 days but unfortunately premade stuff ships too wet I don't know why and it's a waste of money and time. Look for RR's lets grow mushrooms grain prep video.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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ok, what does everyone else think? i thought it was slow due to only getting to 19-20degrees.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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If the mycelium looks like a paste, then it's usually bacterial contamination, but I can't say for sure, only had bacterial in one BRF jar, the rest of my contrams were trichoderma .
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
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Doesn't look great but not the end of the world yet I'd keep it going. I would maybe start some back up projects if you've got the time and money, like has been pointed out making things yourself is better 999 times outta 1000. The temperature is probably slowing it a little but using a syringe was bad as well. People shake jars and knead bags to break up the myc and spread it around when there's only grains in them but with the all in one I don't think it's wise to mix everything right now. I've never personally used all in one's so please chime in if I'm way off base though anyone.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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It's slow cause you bought premade son! Those wet bags take 4 months. If you want to try your luck take the chunks are white and grow in an outside patch.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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ur suggesting to rip them bags open and get the white stuff and try grow outside? why outside?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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since it looks contam'd with bacteria instead of throwing it away you can try your luck outdoors. Can't fruit indoors until it's 100% colonized.
It's only been 20 days give them another 20. From what I can see it doesn't look optimal but outdoors you can salvage whatever grows regardless.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27313144 - 05/18/21 01:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, do u mean give them another 20 days in the bags as they are? if i was to move it outdoors, how would i go about doing that? would i need to make a patch for them yeah?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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I think Lou explained how to do thangs in this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4304709/fpart/1/vc/1
Just let them grow in the bag another 20 days see if things look better. The time you'll waste trying to get these to finish you could start a new batch though.
You can see how white the mycelium should look
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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Yeah those look hella bacterial. You may have had success if you prepped the grain bags yourself. I've never tried prepped bags before, but if they're prepared too moist, that leaves a much better chance for bacteria to grow. Either way, the LC was bacterial to begin with an so was the MSS.
As far as spawning to outdoors, it depends where you live. If it's a dry climate it's probably not worth it especially this time of year. You could rip the bags open, pick out the chunks of colonized myc, and spawn it to something small. I've done it in the past with shitty results but you'll get something from it.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: TheDoobsker]
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Lieutenant Pan said: I think Lou explained how to do thangs in this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4304709/fpart/1/vc/1
Just let them grow in the bag another 20 days see if things look better. The time you'll waste trying to get these to finish you could start a new batch though.
You can see how white the mycelium should look

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TheDoobsker said: Yeah those look hella bacterial. You may have had success if you prepped the grain bags yourself. I've never tried prepped bags before, but if they're prepared too moist, that leaves a much better chance for bacteria to grow. Either way, the LC was bacterial to begin with an so was the MSS.
As far as spawning to outdoors, it depends where you live. If it's a dry climate it's probably not worth it especially this time of year. You could rip the bags open, pick out the chunks of colonized myc, and spawn it to something small. I've done it in the past with shitty results but you'll get something from it.
Btw, that flow chart Goat posted sums up all the basics of mycology and is a great reference
ok no good,what makes u say the LC and the MSS was bacterial to start with?
ok, i like in australia, its nearly winter here. i like the idea to grow it in somthing small, can u give me some ideas of how i could do this in somthing small? i gather u mean inside?
i have a few BRF and VERM bags, could i rip open a few of them and use the content to grow on? if put the BRF and VERM in a plastc tub or somthing..is this as good idea?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
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myc_ousin_vinny said: How to do S3(shoeboxes stupid simple)
i have 3 all in one bags with growing mycelium as per the photos i showed, they are all different strains. should i only mix the one strain into the shoe box? would the LC be the best to start or? what one looks best to use to start?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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i have 3 all in one bags with growing mycelium as per the photos i showed, they are all different strains. should i only mix the one strain into the shoe box? would the LC be the best to start or? what one looks best to use to start?
I dumped a crappy grow bag into a shoebox once and it fruited pretty decent. Won't do it again but alas...Yes, one bag per shoebox I think... I didn't follow a tek for that part...
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27313297 - 05/18/21 05:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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did u just dump the full content of the bag into the box? out the the 3 photos what one looks best to use?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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Yes. I don't see three photos in your original post.
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I tried lol
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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bubblegum said: ok no good,what makes u say the LC and the MSS was bacterial to start with?
Just because I would assume the bags were sterilized, but who knows? Assuming your bags are setup proper with the right gas exchange filter. If they are contaminated it's either improper sterilization of the bags, dirty syringes, or contamination during inoculation. The bags being too wet won't make bacteria appear, it'll just give any introduced bacteria a better chance to live.
I would think dumping the whole contents of the bag will give you less of a chance of success. I'd only use the colonized chunks
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
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bubblegum said: did u just dump the full content of the bag into the box? out the the 3 photos what one looks best to use?
Yes. I don't see three photos in your original post.
page 3, here they are again:


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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27314220 - 05/18/21 07:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think bubblegum needs Gandalf or a higher power to save this grow.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27314251 - 05/18/21 08:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah not sure if i should just yuck this grow out, i have another grow in the works.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27341142 - 06/09/21 06:02 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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hows this bag looking? 
i just took more photos of the lot:

whats everyone think? should i continue with them or?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27341436 - 06/09/21 10:36 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can try to shake the bag up but it's still too wet. I told you that a month ago lol. If you made your own jars or bags you would be fruiting by now.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27341449 - 06/09/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, what will shaking it up do? and because its too wet what does that mean exactly? whats the outcome of a wet bag?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27341469 - 06/09/21 11:00 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hoe does everyone think these PF Tek bags are going: im hoping they are all good.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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bubblegum said: Hoe does everyone think these PF Tek bags are going: im hoping they are all good.

Hard to say from a pic this early but they definitely look better than those other bags you posted. I’m sure you have heard this before but if can’t be bothered to build a hood or own a PC you should at least do your own PF tek. When I got started I did cakes and spawned them to shoeboxes. Got some decent flushes while learning things that helped me move forward. Your just spinning tires hopping to get lucky. I’m sure those bags ain’t cheap either. All that said I hope your grow works out.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Bph] 1
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I'd just do more research so you understand what's going on a lot of these questions have been answered 6000 times in the forum.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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One thing i need to say.
Pretty great  You have a pressure canner You have a flowhood/ffu You are ambitious
Pretty meh  You use foreign LC untested You buy premade growbags You are not into agar yet
Honestly i think you got confused cause you wanted too much from the start. It makes me sad when people bury their money on things making their life hard. You`ll make it, i`m pretty sure. But you really need to do some more research, as there are some basics missing. For example that excessive moisture in the bags is an issue, as the bags are already creamy bacterial (the thread starter bags). Take your time to master the single stages of cultivation, and in no time you`ll have the house full of healthy spawn, you don`t know what to do with. So do yourself a favour and get hands on agar, do some research here, and many problems will resolve themselves 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
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if they have a pressure canner they need to watch RR lets grow mushrooms from start to finish then they'll know wassup.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
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If youre talking about his PFtek video you dont even need a pressure canner for that.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348665 - 06/15/21 02:33 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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bubblegum said: hows this bag looking? 
i just took more photos of the lot:

whats everyone think? should i continue with them or?
iv shaken the all in one bags rite up, does anyone think there's a chance they will be ok?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348667 - 06/15/21 02:38 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The real answer is no one has a clue lol I know its not what you wanna hear but it is what it is. Only one way to find out now and that's to wait n see. Mycelium can surprise people and pull through some shit ( literally ) or can die in pretty good conditions sometimes. Wish you luck amigo!
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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ok how about these pf tek bags how are they looking?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
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So far so good looks like to me. Still have quite a ways to go hopefully they'll make it most people use pftek in jars so it'll finish colonizing the smaller space faster without stalling. As far as I know you can't shake that bag up to help speed it up which kinda sucks.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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It has no dry verm layer, so i think it can be shaken?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27348685 - 06/15/21 02:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would that mess with it all since it's already formed into that cake type shape? That was my main concern I guess. I really have no clue as I've done like 3 rounds of pftek total, all in jars and like 6 years ago.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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Bags can easily be kneaded or shaken depending in the space you provide inside the bag.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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Honestly i`d shake them up and spawn them to shoeboxes / mini-monos. They`re looking good i mean. If they were some kind of bacterial i`d leave them as a cake and fruit in the bag.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
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check the label out, it says to shake at %30 colonization.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
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Right on good to hear. I knew that for grain bags for sure just wasn't sure about the pftek bags. Never really seen them before.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27348696 - 06/15/21 03:08 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Goatrider said: Honestly i`d shake them up and spawn them to shoe boxes / mini-monos. They`re looking good i mean. If they were some kind of bacterial i`d leave them as a cake and fruit in the bag.

do you mean shake them up and spawn them straight away or wait for them to fully colonize after shaking them fruit in a shoe box?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348698 - 06/15/21 03:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You never open something before it is fully colonized 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27348701 - 06/15/21 03:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Goatrider said: You never open something before it is fully colonized 

ahh ok i did hear that somewhere actually. cheers! so to get the most out of these pf tek bags whats my best options? shake? not to shake? fruit as a cake in bag? if i fruit in a shoebox etc do u just wait for the bag to fully colonize then open the bag and spread it in a box? or am i best to keep them as cakes in a monotub?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348704 - 06/15/21 03:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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also if i dont shake does it add much time onto the bag to fully colonize?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348706 - 06/15/21 03:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sometimes bags don't fully colonize without a knead or shake.
Why aren't you replying to pm bubblegum?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27348711 - 06/15/21 03:31 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Sometimes bags don't fully colonize without a knead or shake.
Why aren't you replying to pm bubblegum?
ok, not sure if i should shake or not? maybe shake 3 of them and leave 3 as cakes?
i cannot reply to your messages, its saying you are not accepting messages at this time.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348713 - 06/15/21 03:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Give them a shake and either fruit as bags or spawn to a mono.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27348721 - 06/15/21 03:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, will they produce more in a mono? and when u put them in a mono do i spread it around and break it up? and should i use perlite and tin foil on the bottom of the tub?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348727 - 06/15/21 04:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell no mate  No perlite, no tin foil. Look here for monos / shoeboxes: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK
Yes you break it up and mix with coir. For the bottom you can use a plastic liner, no tin foil. Look here: Pastywhyte’s Ez Tub Liners
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348728 - 06/15/21 04:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you put that in a mono just mix it all up and put it in the mono spread out.
I use the standard 60L but run 20L monos to test new spores in pasty tubs.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339
Bags also work well, Fahtster has a thread for bags.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27280275#27280275
Goatrider beat me
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27348737 - 06/15/21 04:23 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks everyone, if i decided to fruit in my bags as is, do i just need to cut the top off the bags? or slit cut lines around the bag? what method is best?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27348739 - 06/15/21 04:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just make holes in the bag with a pin or needle to allow fae. This was a simple tub with a plastic bag over with holes in the bag, nothing scientific, just made a few holes.

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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27351581 - 06/17/21 01:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahh ok so just a few holes in the bag! no probs
i mixed 1 pf tek bag up and it looks like its colonizing so much quicker then the rest of the cakes! makes me wonder if i should shake them all...if i shake them all can i still fruit in the bags?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27351600 - 06/17/21 01:49 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup you certainly can. That's what shaking is good for is to speed it up and now you've got that mycelium all over the place not just growing from 1 place. Glad that it's going faster.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
#27356099 - 06/20/21 07:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: Yup you certainly can. That's what shaking is good for is to speed it up and now you've got that mycelium all over the place not just growing from 1 place. Glad that it's going faster.
cool cool, i checked on my bags tonight, the one that was shakin looks to be nearly fully colonized? and here are the rest of my bags: im going to shake them all now i think. whats every ones opinions? does the shakin bag look to be %100 colonized or?
heres the shakin bag:


and here are the rest not shakin yet:





whats everyone think?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27356941 - 06/20/21 09:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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All 6 pf tek bags have been shaken and mixed. is there any harm leaving a bag that looks fully colonized to go a little longer? here`s the bag that looks fully colonized:

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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27356991 - 06/20/21 10:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Depends on how long. At some point it will start fruiting in the bag. A couple days will probably be fine but a couple weeks and it'll start to fruit more then likely. Also I'd recommend using the search function a little bit more and doing a bit more research. I know your a noob but some of these questions are fairly basic and have been answered thousands of times haha.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
#27358102 - 06/21/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok no problems will do.
is soaking the mycelium for 24 hours a must do? what would be the best way to soak if im leaving them fruit in the bags?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27382458 - 07/10/21 08:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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do these look alrite?
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