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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306522 - 05/13/21 02:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course, you can fruit everything in bags, if there`s nutes in. Nevertheless it`s way harder growing that way instead of moving to agar. If you plan to keep this hobby up, you don`t learn a single bit on cultivation. 
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider]
#27306523 - 05/13/21 02:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Goatrider said: Of course, you can fruit everything in bags, if there`s nutes in. Nevertheless it`s way harder growing that way instead of moving to agar. If you plan to keep this hobby up, you don`t learn a single bit on cultivation. 

ok thank you, the reason i ask some bags only have grain in them, but these PF tek bags have BRF Vermiculite, so i presume they will be able to fruit in this bag because they will get there nutes from the BRF yes? also thinking about moving to agar, just need to get my head around it.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306529 - 05/13/21 02:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya that's true. Once it's fully colonized you can fruit in the bag ( may run into some side pins if it shrinks down ) or take it out and put in a humidity chamber or something similar. Just an FYI if you have or get a pressure cooker you could make those bags for like $10 instead of $55. I know it's easy and convenient but just hate to see people basically throw money away.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306532 - 05/13/21 02:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vermiculite holds moisture. For grains, once you plan to fruit in a bag, you should patch some coir or again vermiculite on top to not let it dry out.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
#27306536 - 05/13/21 02:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: Ya that's true. Once it's fully colonized you can fruit in the bag ( may run into some side pins if it shrinks down ) or take it out and put in a humidity chamber or something similar. Just an FYI if you have or get a pressure cooker you could make those bags for like $10 instead of $55. I know it's easy and convenient but just hate to see people basically throw money away.
ok cheers,
ok if i went with making my own, what materials are best to use to make a bag that i can fruit in? is Brown rice flour and Vermiculite my best choice?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306549 - 05/13/21 03:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeh the brf is the nutrient source so you can fruit in the bag.
Look into wbs, millet, rye, corn, oats, etc.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27306552 - 05/13/21 03:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have a quick listen mate.
Bags perform best when inoculated with LI, LC or G2G. As a newbie in mycology, it`s easy to mess things up trying bags. If you run into issues, you won`t know what failure to look for, as there can be many with bags, if you didn`t catch up basics beforehand.
So i may advise to have a look at the flowchart, maybe rethink your plans then. Again i won`t talk that out of you, but it makes me sad seeing ambitious people throwing their money away.

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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Goatrider] 1
#27306566 - 05/13/21 03:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a self proclaimed trusted member on here, and I ask that you use the search box for your questions. I even typed how to get a gf and there were threads.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27306672 - 05/13/21 06:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm taking your word on it, I get home from work and I'll try to find out how to get a gf. Thanks for the hot tip brosky!
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27311898 - 05/16/21 10:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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hows these looking: these 2 are from spore syringe`s at 20 days


this is a liquid culture at 18 days:

what does everyone think of the progress? im thinking i need a little more heat...im currently at 19-20 degrees.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27311917 - 05/16/21 10:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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That doesn't look good my friend. Did you buy that bag premade? I don't like premade bags anymore they're always too wet.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27311925 - 05/16/21 11:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok not the reply i was hoping for, yes i brought them pre made.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27311932 - 05/16/21 11:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can give it another 10 days but unfortunately premade stuff ships too wet I don't know why and it's a waste of money and time. Look for RR's lets grow mushrooms grain prep video.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27312027 - 05/17/21 01:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, what does everyone else think? i thought it was slow due to only getting to 19-20degrees.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27312029 - 05/17/21 01:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If the mycelium looks like a paste, then it's usually bacterial contamination, but I can't say for sure, only had bacterial in one BRF jar, the rest of my contrams were trichoderma .
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Milk-away]
#27312037 - 05/17/21 02:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't look great but not the end of the world yet I'd keep it going. I would maybe start some back up projects if you've got the time and money, like has been pointed out making things yourself is better 999 times outta 1000. The temperature is probably slowing it a little but using a syringe was bad as well. People shake jars and knead bags to break up the myc and spread it around when there's only grains in them but with the all in one I don't think it's wise to mix everything right now. I've never personally used all in one's so please chime in if I'm way off base though anyone.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: WyoMX]
#27312472 - 05/17/21 12:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's slow cause you bought premade son! Those wet bags take 4 months. If you want to try your luck take the chunks are white and grow in an outside patch.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27313123 - 05/18/21 12:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ur suggesting to rip them bags open and get the white stuff and try grow outside? why outside?
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: bubblegum]
#27313128 - 05/18/21 12:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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since it looks contam'd with bacteria instead of throwing it away you can try your luck outdoors. Can't fruit indoors until it's 100% colonized.
It's only been 20 days give them another 20. From what I can see it doesn't look optimal but outdoors you can salvage whatever grows regardless.
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Re: few beginner mistakes with all in one grow bag [Re: Lieutenant Pan]
#27313144 - 05/18/21 01:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, do u mean give them another 20 days in the bags as they are? if i was to move it outdoors, how would i go about doing that? would i need to make a patch for them yeah?
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