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 Le_Canard
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 This is scary.... 
#2717498 - 05/23/04 04:35 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Congressional Accountability for Judicial Activism Act of 2004 (Introduced in House)
HR 3920 IH
108th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 3920
To allow Congress to reverse the judgments of the United States Supreme Court.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 9, 2004
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A BILL
To allow Congress to reverse the judgments of the United States Supreme Court.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.."
Read it in its entirety here.
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Prisoner#1
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 Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2717621 - 05/23/04 07:13 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn... if htis doesnt undermind the entire judicial system nothing will...
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 phi1618
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2717659 - 05/23/04 07:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The checks and ballances that prevent any group of people from becoming the sole arbiters of the way we live are being dismantled - the PATRIOT act allows the exectutive branch to act without judicial oversight, and this bill would remove the judiciary check on the power of the legislative branch.
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unbeliever
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: phi1618]
#2717854 - 05/23/04 09:44 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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And those fuckers complain about activist judges. If this passes we'll have an activist congress.. and I don't think it'll benefit anyone but themselves and their special interests.
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2718653 - 05/23/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you write your rep about anything this year, it should be this.
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GernBlanston
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: phi1618]
#2720743 - 05/23/04 09:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
phi1618 said:
The checks and ballances that prevent any group of people from becoming the sole arbiters of the way we live are being dismantled - the PATRIOT act allows the exectutive branch to act without judicial oversight, and this bill would remove the judiciary check on the power of the legislative branch.
Not only would it allow the legislative brance the to operate without judicial oversight, it would allow congress to overturn any SC decision it found not to be in the best interest of the country. Congressional overturn of Roe v. Wade, anyone?
All the more reason - it is imperative not only to remove Bush et. al. from the White House in November, we must take back either the House or the Senate as well. I hope some of y'all are working half as hard as I am to get this done...
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2723314 - 05/24/04 02:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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while reading up on this I came across the following passage from the constitution....
"The Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and to fact, with such exceptions and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.?
So basically, congress can tell the Supremes they may not rule on certain issues.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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afoaf
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so why the redundant bill then if it accomplishes nothing new?
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Seuss
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2723359 - 05/24/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Question... if the bill passes, and the supreme court finds it unconstitional (which is is, and which they will), what happens?
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: afoaf]
#2723372 - 05/24/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Since I'm not a member of congress, you'll have to ask them.
In the meantime, maybe this will help.
Link
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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afoaf
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Seuss]
#2724084 - 05/24/04 05:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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christians don't like the literal interpretation of
equality under the law so we'll disassemble the
system of checks and balances.
lovely.
jesus is the real terrorist.
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zappaisgod
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Le_Canard]
#2724101 - 05/24/04 05:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wouldn't the Supreme Court have to rule on the constitutionality of this law?
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phi1618
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#2726714 - 05/25/04 07:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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There has to be a case in the courts for it to reach the Supreme court. I don't think it's possible just to decide that a law is unconstitutional and appeal to the courts to stop it - there has to be a specific abuse in question.
For example, the PATRIOT act is written in a manner to make it very difficult to challenge in the courts. The ACLU is suing, but read this:
Patriot Act Suppresses News Of Challenge to Patriot Act
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: phi1618]
#2726745 - 05/25/04 07:46 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Constitution is pretty much a dead letter.
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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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z@z.com
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: afoaf]
#2726747 - 05/25/04 07:47 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
afoaf said:
christians don't like the literal interpretation of
equality under the law so we'll disassemble the
system of checks and balances.
lovely.
jesus is the real terrorist.
That is hardly true. Some Christians have decided it is ok to force their beliefs and morals on others. That is hardly supported biblically. I view what they do as a perversion of Christ's teachings.
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: z@z.com]
#2728281 - 05/25/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
z@z.com said:
That is hardly true. Some Christians have decided it is ok to force their beliefs and morals on others. That is hardly supported biblically. I view what they do as a perversion of Christ's teachings.
incorect... the bible supports the complete and total anhialation of anyone that does not believe in god... Noah and the Flood, Sodam and Ghamorah, babelon are just a a few of the examples in which thos that dont believe in god are destroyed....
Luke 22:35-36, in which Jesus counsels his disciples to sell their cloaks to buy swords, It comes at the Last Supper, after Jesus has delivered the familiar words about his body and blood
JESUS ADVOCATED VIOLENCE!!!!
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: phi1618]
#2728294 - 05/25/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, I believe that's so. Were this bill to pass, and someone were to challenge it, it would be a unique constitutional crisis, to say the least
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: phi1618]
#2728634 - 05/25/04 04:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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If this passes, and I sincerely doubt it has a snowball's chance in hell, somebody will immediately challenge it the first time it is enacted.
You know, I don't share this opinion, but a very strong argument can be made that the Supreme Court, a group of 9 unelected and virtually unaccountable men and women, have usurped far too much power from the electorate. They have essentially invented a constitutional right to privacy (which I am very happy about) in Roe v. Wade and which continues to grow, finally. They could easily turn and not become so freedom friendly. And then how would we get rid of them?
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phi1618
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#2729081 - 05/25/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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yup - there's an interesting conversation about "activist judges" between me and luvdem in the "other boards" thread.
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Re: This is scary.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#2729705 - 05/25/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
incorect... the bible supports the complete and total anhialation of anyone that does not believe in god... Noah and the Flood, Sodam and Ghamorah, babelon are just a a few of the examples in which thos that dont believe in god are destroyed....
In both those instances God is the one doing the condemning. God is permitted to do it. We are not.
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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