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Tatoo and Enigma strains
    #27281278 - 04/25/21 08:52 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Tatoo mutation strain/variety.  Im looking for more information on the Tatoo mutation strain/variety.  It is similar, but yet quite different than the Enigma strain.  Both of these two "strains" do not produce  mushroom fruit bodies, rather they grow an amorphous mass of clusters and incredibly beautiful blob like structures.

  Tatoo is a small mutation taken from a TAT batch. (True Albino Teacher) I don't know if this was an attempted cross of strains (like TAT +PE) or if it was a random genetic mutation that do often occur.  That being said, this is NOT your average mutation that you've seen.  They resemble your normal PE "blobs" but they grow very dense large masses.  They are reported by their originator to be 3x the potency of a normal (non PE) cube.  I know that many will say this is bs, and that is fine. Personally,  after seeing the pics and hearing the story, I am inclined to say I feel the claim may have validity.  This would be the equivalent to a sinsemilla plant that does not need to produce seeds, and can transfer the energy to other functions.  The strain grows very slowly and does not make spores, which may well account for the high potency. 

  The similar but totally different "Enigma"  strain is said to be from a cross of PE and B+
I know many will say this can't be done or that it is too difficult for average person.
That aside, the result of the mutation is astounding to me. It looks like cauliflower florets.

  Both of the varieties mentioned are not commercially available, since they do not fruit or produce spores, ever.  I suppose that some people trade or gift these wonderful treasures to friends or others and that is how they spread.

I am looking for any additional information that anyone may have on these strains.  Im especially curious if they were created by crossing 2 other strains (maybe using the PE genetics for their mutation ability)  The Enigma is reported to be such a cross, as I stated above. (from PE and B+)  and the Tatoo I am not certain if there was a crossing of genetics or if it was a naturally occurring mutation.

The pictures are stunning. I didn't want to use them without permission, but do a search and maybe they aren't copyrighted, and can be posted here.

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: floydster9]
    #27281507 - 04/25/21 12:33 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I grow TAT and seen a few varieties in multiple grows, some that look like black caps and some that look like the ones in my avatar..Enigma has been around for a while and can only be gifted never sold..so respect that and never offer any money or ask..show us some pics of this Tatoo  you speak of..its social media and I dont think you will catch any flack unless your taking claim to others work.

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: Sunny Skies]
    #27283157 - 04/26/21 08:28 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

You know I kinda got turned on to some of that shit while shroomery was down.

Look up brainiac, it seems to have been around even longer... Another name for it. Or tidal wave. But from what I gathered it was a mutation from a tidalwave strain that produced those clusters, which ya got cloned and passed around. I think Dave wombat on t.a.t. syndicate is trying to grow out some "leafy" "brainy" chocolate krinkle type strain.
Idk honestly I'm keeping an eye out now tho ha.
And while it's 3x stronger, maybe, it seems to take even longer than ape yo grow, and apes are already maybe 2X as strong as regulars.
Which makes since because their mutants, just like ape, and mutants and aborts have always been reported to hit harder.


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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: QM33]
    #27283514 - 04/27/21 06:40 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

For TAT, it’s a common mutation that happens and there are several cultures going right now of those type mutations from tat lines.

Enigma is from tidal wave which is indeed the cross you’re speaking of. Mutations happen. Isolating them is a diff story.


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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: Madscience039]
    #27283523 - 04/27/21 06:53 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Whoa!

If you need help getting rid of those😉


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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: QM33]
    #27315323 - 05/19/21 04:44 PM (3 years, 4 hours ago)

Thanks for all the good responses and info.  Its just interesting to know about.  Im surprised I never heard about these mutations before.  having trouble uploading the pics.
Yes the brainiac is amazing to see how it forms the unique and beautiful formations.  They look like brains. 
  I would love to grow some of these mutations.  The tatoo and enigma grow surprisingly large clusters.  Its tough to imagine if they were really as strong as people claim.  That would put them around the strength of Azures or any other strong exotics.
  it says the images are too large.

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: floydster9] * 1
    #27315579 - 05/19/21 08:56 PM (3 years, 8 minutes ago)

I made a cross of Enigma x Rustywhyte ( https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27144464&page=0&vc=1#27144464 ) and hope that this project results in having spore prints which more or less reliably produce the Enigma trait (not the original strain itself though of course). I hope I have an answer in about a month or 2.

Yea it is really fascinating, I am looking into other similar phenomena among certain cubes, Enigma originates in part from PE and I expect it is where it got this growth pattern from. PE is notorious for making blobs "instead of fruits", some strains of it more than others of course...

I now believe that these blobs as can also be seen in my cross F1 in the linked thread, at the start... may very well be hyphal knots which never properly were triggered to differentiate into the tissues that compose a fruit. And interestingly in my cross somehow it managed to trigger it but with a delay, and the flushes after that did not blob significantly. I believe this is a change in gene regulation and possibly it happened this way because first the nucleus that entirely originated from Enigma, got the responsibility to govern this gene regulation, then somehow marvelously this was detected and the nucleus from Rustywhyte (which isnt nearly as fucked up haha) took over this role, idk what did it do, poop out a transcription factor? my genetics are pretty rusty no pun intended.

But then the million dollar question remains is: what on earth is that Enigma coral even, in anatomical terms? Do we have the words for it haha? (oh cmon sure we do.. ish) 
 
I guess its like a teratoma? haha well i mean my hypothesis about the hyphal knots would suggest that rather than blobs that are just ridiculous swelling and growing without differentiating blown up versions of what are normally millimeter thingies.... the Enigma coral seems too be some things triggered, but not the right thing / not enough... ah this now makes sense and connects to a hypothesis i used to have a while back: that its only for example the stipe tissue that manages to differentiate while the part that was supposed to become a cap and other things only keeps blobbing
Perhaps though it is far more complicated to call it stipe or other particular anatomical parts but instead jumbles of only much smaller 'components' like tissue types of very rudimentary embryonic parts.

Remember that if i was right earlier, blobs are parts that start out very very tiny and normally never get any bigger than still pretty tiny, before differentiting into primordia - blown up to sometimes pretty big chonkers.. who even knows how big a blob could get, obeying different limitations now.
So if this mechanism is really quite broken, i imagine that if even a tiny trigger/growth-developmental step manages to trigger nice and early, this could then get blown up to the scale we see.
Wanna learn more now about how a new fruiting body is even "conceived" out of a hyphal knot lol. I think maybe there lies the answer, maybe some developmental process that gets very scaled up and then tesselated.

Can you imagine how wild it would be if we could harness this phenomenon to make a fungus perform certain development which you can then blow up like a vector haha.. probably not all that useful tho, but still cool.

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: Solipsis]
    #27319601 - 05/23/21 05:52 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Your work is interesting. 
Anyone working with the Melmac TP strain?  It is from the PE lineage.  The fruits are large and pretty exquisite looking. Im wondering if these blob ever and do they produce spores, are they consistent producers etc.
  The Coral and Skulls that the Tatoo produces are truly Sublime.  Potency is reported to be 3X your basic cube, due to the slow growing (45-90 days fruiting) and lack of need to produce spores. 
  Enigma looks like cauliflower that has a nasty green mold growing all over it, but that is said to be a normal part of this mutated strain.
There seems too be about a dozen of these mutation strains in circulation.  many can be seen on fb or redit. 
Gandolf, Wombat, Pearly Gates, Smurfs,  Yeti, Black Cap,  Jack Frost, Silver, Leng, Ghost, Melmac, PE, APE are some of them.

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: floydster9] * 1
    #27320873 - 05/24/21 06:44 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I am pretty into varieties like most of those and not into typical cubes. There are particularly cool and beautiful ones among them and I think it's exciting that there is even more novelty yet to come from all that.

I never considered that potency could be higher if spores don't need to get produced, maybe - maybe not. We should then look at true albinos which otherwise grow the same as other cubes but often aside from having hyaline spores, also produce often far less and seem to have difficulty properly ejecting them. I never heard about true albinos generally / on average being more potent so I remain skeptical about that one.
Actually i just checked results from Oakland Hyphae analysis ( https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/preliminary-tryptamine-potency-analysis-from-dried-homogenized-fruit-bodies-of-psilocybe-mushrooms ) of a number of strains n varieties and true albino teacher does list as very potent.. Its just one data point and i would like to know how freaky of a strain of TAT that was, but yeah maybe you are right. I just never heard anyone say that they were for example looking for Avery's Albino because of the potency. Ah btw I also see Avery's Albino totally at the bottom of the list at a total of 0.14% trypt alkaloids...  ok.. couldnt be more inconclusive xD

Before ppl go looking for all kinds of varieties mentioned in this list, aside from PE and APE which make sense as choices, this is anecdotal evidence and whats more: getting the same variety as tested and listed here does not mean that the strain(s) you end up having will share particular characteristics, especially ones that were not selected for. Being varieties means particular traits were stabilized, namely appearance / growth and development. But potency is unclear cause how much association and correlation is there?

I don't have Melmak TP myself but a friend does and I may have it in a while, not sure exactly if its coming. Yeah Melmak TP can give baby arms. :P

PE came after / out of Melmak / Homestead, and I think Melmak TP is a relatively more recent creation by basically going back to Melmak and taking it on a different path than is taken by PE which was then crossed with B+ and from that cross split into a handful of different paths. Some different breeders went and ran with it in different ways and called it a different name.
All in a tree structure just like timetravel or evolution / phylogenetics.

Some of the craziest i heard about is for example a strain of PE that pretty much only blobs, only with rare exceptions... does sound impractical to grow but I hear it is even some times more potent than PE is, which is already like 3x as strong like someone I know had verified (not related to the Oakland Hyphae analysis) cause it came back as over 2% indolol alkaloids - however i dont think the blobs were tested, if i understand correctly they would be a bunch stronger.

Edited by Solipsis (05/24/21 06:55 AM)

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: Solipsis]
    #27422015 - 08/10/21 02:24 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Solipsis said:
Yeah I am pretty into varieties like most of those and not into typical cubes. There are particularly cool and beautiful ones among them and I think it's exciting that there is even more novelty yet to come from all that.......




I lik this post, and this thread.

Also, I misread your sigline about "hunted mushroom spores" as
"HAUNTED mushroom spores."

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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27422043 - 08/10/21 03:22 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

im convinced that there is some kind of correlation, possibly causality, in these super slow growing varieties/strains and their potency. seems like everything that takes forever to grow and mature is stronger than the fast growing/fruiting stuff


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Re: Tatoo and Enigma strains [Re: floydster9]
    #27491894 - 10/04/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Croptober fest over the weekend in my state giant drug market basically in a field. I trying to unload some "stamps" so I am looking for vendors who have boomers on their tables and asking them if they want some....

Ended up talking shop with a boomer dealer with all sorts of exotics on his table. I managed to snag some magic truffles which I kinda regret buying cause I am really sure they will make me puke, and all the information says eat them on a empty stomach which Ive tried on shrooms and wont ever do again, I have to take shrooms with food or its like aspirin with no food bad idea. However the really cool thing I got was some BRAINIACs Not cheap though, one O cost about the same as I pay for a QP of regular PE.

Why I ended up hear back on the shroomery message boards again, holy fuck its been like 8 years since I last posted. Ive been looking for info about the Brainiac blobs, not seeing trip reports and such... I am stoked to try them out. I also have some APEs I need to try as well.

https://imgur.com/gallery/4bX91O3 Cant get the pics to upload and look right, 3 pics of Brains....

Very interesting report from a Cali company that test boomers and does boomer competitions. This reports has a tidalwave shroom as the top dog I think its talking about Brainiacs. If you dig around on the site they have more reports which for sure shows Brainiacs off. 

https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/oakland-hyphae-presents-the-spring-2021-psilocybin-cup-final-results

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