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InvisibleBrownPastures
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Re: new to this who do i trust?
    #272801 - 03/16/01 02:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hey umm.... psylocybe fanaticus..... their shit is pretty WACK! : ) just thought i'd let you know... cause back in the didday, they were the bomb....

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: BrownPastures]
    #272913 - 03/16/01 07:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

My favorite of course is the Spore Lab where not only have you always been able to purchase 3 for $25 but you can mix and match the different strains. Right now they have B+, Aussie cubensis and a new mexi-cub from Tapalpa. And of course, Ps. cyanescens.

But any of the established dealers will do you right!

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Invisiblear393
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Re: new to this who do i trust?
    #272978 - 03/16/01 10:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

PF does more business then the rest combined? WTF??? back in the day when PF was the only supplier, sure. but now? not that he doesnt do a good amount of business, but now with the chicks, ryche, 3m sporeworks/sporelabs, and if you throw in ralphs litle ring, its all evening out...



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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: ar393]
    #273068 - 03/16/01 01:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's obvious that whoever emetheus is, he's not here to talk about mushroom cultivation. He's here to recruit and promote for the Fourth Reich, the PF/Hippie method of growing. Their methods, are of course, the Aryan methods and everything else should be eliminated. If you don't grow in vitro, you should be put to the gas chamber. They will burn all other growing guides and mounds of amassed information.



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Offlineemetheus
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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: Kast]
    #273580 - 03/17/01 10:06 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

good grief, man, why are you talking such shit ?
take a valium or something.

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: emetheus]
    #273719 - 03/17/01 03:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i personaly dont like pf compared to the others. the shipping takes too long, the strain is close to impossible to case, or do alot of things with except the cakes. if cakes is where you are going with it, then i would use the pf strain. but other strains give you much larger yeilds and are capable of casing as well. in the long run the other strains are better for many reasons. however if you are just growing cakes then go with pf cause the other strains dont really make a difference with cakes, but casings they do...

well anyway, if you do decide to go to another spore supplier, i would suggest ryche hawk. many will probably disagree, but i have never had a problem with my order time, and he usualy hooks my orders up with extra stuff, im not saying to expect these hook ups from his order, but they have happened to me in the past, and im sure they have happened to others as well
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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: WhereAbouts]
    #273959 - 03/17/01 11:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

you SOUND like an 'expert', but let's be specific.
what strains have you grown that out-perform pf's and give numbers to support claims, please.
it's easy to be general, but not very helpful.


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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: emetheus]
    #273961 - 03/17/01 11:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

personally i have to say pf is the best strain of cubensis if you are going for ease, quantity, and potency. although they are no good for casing.

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: emetheus]
    #274017 - 03/18/01 01:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i dont really want to get into these types of debates pf aka gerd bonk and so on...but i will say that i have grown both and i dont feel i have to give numbers to prove my results. its obvious that if you can case one strain, and you are only forced to grow cakes with pf, the casing will produce alot more shrooms then the cakes will. its a known fact, casings yeild more fruit then the simple pf cakes do.

i even said that for cakes he would be better off growing pf then any other strain because pf is great for the cakes and will grow better on them then any strain...however, if you are talkin casing pf is very hard to case compaired to the other cube strains. ive tried two times at casing pf and failed both times. the same casings i did with cambos, in the same grow chamber and all, and the cambos are pinning right now.

as for numbers go, a three cake casing will yeild many more shrooms then three pf cakes will. thats obvious, otherwise there would be no reason to case...ive said that i dont want to get into this type of debate and feel that ive already gone far enough...i also refered this newbie to growing your strain if he wants to grow cakes. thats right in my post. enough of this though...
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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: WhereAbouts]
    #274083 - 03/18/01 09:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

when someone has no facts, they say 'it's obvious', as you did.
you tried 2 times and failed.
here's a hint--it wasn't the strain. i can pull up plenty of pf classic casing success stories.
it was you that failed.
and i ain't pf, and it ain't my strain.
but i know better than to draw conclusions on tiny amounts of data.
and common knowledge isn't always right.

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: ar393]
    #274085 - 03/18/01 09:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

pf has an ad in high times every month for several years .
and supplies syringes to half the shops in europe.
none of the other vendors listed above advertise in high times.
do you have any idea how many people see pf's ad every month ?
far more than read about ryche or 3m online.
do the math and it's easy to see that the others aren't even in the same league as pf.

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: emetheus]
    #274095 - 03/18/01 10:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

give it up pf/hippie, its all you can do to keep up with the competition these days. You've had to completely change your menu and add the strains others have been selling just to keep in the market. You're a dinasour waiting to die.

hongus - where does the sporechicks South American strain come from? It's a big place and I've already seen strains from ecuador etc, all are in south america.

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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: emetheus]
    #274110 - 03/18/01 11:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

yeah whatever...im gonna be the bigger man here and just walk away right now...this site has enough bs on it already from everyone
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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: WhereAbouts]
    #274433 - 03/19/01 02:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Whereabouts, I don't disbelieve you and I'm not trying to discredit you, but frankly, you're wrong. PFs can be cased and with a great deal of success. As a matter of fact, every strain that I've seen come from PF can be cased. What do you think PF and Ryche Hawk do SO differently that would cause such a drastic change in growing methods?



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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: Kast]
    #274653 - 03/19/01 03:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Kast, its cool. no harm, no foul ;).

all i was saying was that i found (and many others have) that pfs are difficult to case. i wasnt saying that ryches spores were supreme, i just like him as a vendor.

the only thing that i could say is that the pf classic spores are grown out on cakes and have been grown that way for a long time. if you take spore prints from those mushrooms you grow out, and keep doing this while growing them out on cakes, the mushrooms will do better on cakes and not be as used to casings...but who knows???
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Re: new to this who do i trust? [Re: WhereAbouts]
    #274907 - 03/19/01 10:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I see what you're saying, but I wonder if it really does make a difference. Without proper controlled "experimentation" there's no way to tell.

The mushrooms may be sensitive to the ingredients of the substrate and to certain climates, but I don't think they would be sensitive to a casing. Of course all cubensis are more partial to casings, but I cant imagine that growing any species cake-style for many generations would have much of an impact.

Maybe if it were done for thousands of years, the story would be different. :) Enough time for evolution to have a say in it. But, this is just speculation....



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