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    #27279894 - 04/23/21 11:40 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I am a former Soldier and have had issues with PTSD, depression, and anxiety for years and have tried all of traditional treatment methods with little success.  I've heard mushrooms help so decided to try it but couldn't find any locally so I decided to try to make my own.

I'm a geek and have been playing with Home Assistant for home automation for a couple years now and decided to use that to automate my grow to limit my chances of screwing something up.  So far so good. 

March 28th - I ordered a B+ spore syringe online and inoculated 4 jars.
April 16th - Layered the colonized grain in with Coir/Verm substrate in a mono tub

It looks like it's fully colonized and I'm waiting for pins now.  I was colonizing at around 82*F but dropped it to 72-75 now with 12/12 light and FAE for 5 minutes every hour. 

Here are some pictures of my setup.  Let me know what you guys think and if you see anything I might be doing wrong. 

Hoping for the best...

























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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27279895 - 04/23/21 11:50 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

cool lol
Welcome to the site!
Be ready, people are prolly about to tear ur setup apart haha. Ive noticed theres not as much appreciation for these kinda setups, most TCs will tell u to keep it simple. I love it thou, hope it works out for u!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27279902 - 04/24/21 12:01 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I have thick skin.  Lol.  And I'll admit I really don't know what I'm doing yet.  Just watched a ton of youtube videos and read the "other" forums (since this site has been down since I first decided to try this).  I'll take all the feedback I can get; I'm sure at least some of it will help.  Lol. 

I mostly overcomplicated it just because I enjoy doing the automation stuff and I figured being able to monitor it remotely and see the camera feed from anywhere I have internet access will help me keep the lid on and not fuss with it as much.  It's hard to be patient when you are hopeful and excited. 

Thanks for the kind words!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27279903 - 04/24/21 12:02 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Welcome mate :sporedrop:

You don`t just plan to do this,
you even have good looking mycelium, so that`s quite a good thing.

Of course overkill for cubensis, but you may do some gourmet mushrooms later on
that wouldn`t work without it.

Can`t help with all that stuff to dial in, never did something like that.
But as i said myc looks good so far.
In fact it`s not easy to mist and fan on a schedule, your eyes are better for that.
Often there`s even no misting and fanning needed.

Just keep up your work, i like your setup :thumbup:


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Goatrider]
    #27279908 - 04/24/21 12:12 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'd definitely recommend learning agar properly, and you'll be able to fish in the ocean for the rest of your life.

Others will tell you that the set up is excessive.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: renagaderX]
    #27279909 - 04/24/21 12:15 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Nice setup but I'm not seeing any condensation anywhere?
That's generally quite an important factor.
How is the surface of your mycelium looking? Covered in droplets?


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: renagaderX] * 1
    #27279912 - 04/24/21 12:24 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

You win the award for most tricked out tub of the year.
I'm not going to hate but I will say it's all unnecessary.
A good ol mono tub is sufficient and set and forget if you get her dialed in.
I believe your tub is a tad dry.
How many days has it been fully colonized?
I'd advise learning agar or sticking with spores to brf cakes to bulk.
Spores to grain is a sketchy game.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27279924 - 04/24/21 12:51 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

ive always been curious, what makes BRF better for spores or MSS than grain?


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27279944 - 04/24/21 01:09 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe you tub is a tad dry.
How many days has it been fully colonized?
I'd advise learning agar or sticking with spores to brf cakes to bulk.
Spores to grain is a sketchy game.




I just installed the top fans tonight and lost a lot of air moisture with the cover off for those 15 minutes and took pics right after that.  But I misted and got the humidity back up to 99% now so it should be ok. 

I put the grain spawn and substrate layers in the monotub on the 16th.  So 8 days ago.  It's been fully covered in white since the 20th.  It colonized really fast.  Not sure if it was because of the 83* temps I had it at or if the top looks colonized but the lower layers are still working on finishing. 

I definitely want to start doing the AGAR thing just to have back up genetics and eliminate the need to get more spores in the mail.  I actually ordered a 4 syringe sample pack with B+, Golden Teacher, Penis Envy, and Treasure Coast.  Started with B+ since it sounded like the most beginner friendly but am not sure what to expect from any of them yet.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27279946 - 04/24/21 01:13 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

BRF can handle some contam quite well,
you don`t need to think about bacterial endospores with it.

But as the others mentioned, a bad syringe is a bad syringe.
You`ll see clearly on agar what you`ll gonna spend to grains.

As you can see in the picture, a jar shot with that spores would have a hard time.




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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27279948 - 04/24/21 01:18 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

psilogeek said:
Quote:

verum subsequentis said:

I believe you tub is a tad dry.
How many days has it been fully colonized?
I'd advise learning agar or sticking with spores to brf cakes to bulk.
Spores to grain is a sketchy game.




I just installed the top fans tonight and lost a lot of air moisture with the cover off for those 15 minutes and took pics right after that.  But I misted and got the humidity back up to 99% now so it should be ok. 

I put the grain spawn and substrate layers in the monotub on the 16th.  So 8 days ago.  It's been fully covered in white since the 20th.  It colonized really fast.  Not sure if it was because of the 83* temps I had it at or if the top looks colonized but the lower layers are still working on finishing. 

I definitely want to start doing the AGAR thing just to have back up genetics and eliminate the need to get more spores in the mail.  I actually ordered a 4 syringe sample pack with B+, Golden Teacher, Penis Envy, and Treasure Coast.  Started with B+ since it sounded like the most beginner friendly but am not sure what to expect from any of them yet.




I know where u got that variety pack :wink: lmao I use the same vendor. They rock, totally worth the $55. I love every single syringe I get from them, also, mention Shroomery on ur next order and they throu in a freebee of their choice.
I would of started with Golden Teachers if I were you, they seem to be the best for beginners imo but im just now growing B+ so mayb my mind will be changed. Ive got all those strains u listed too! Try the Albino Penis Envy on your next order, just beware PEs take forever and arent as resistant to contams. Especially APE, its pretty new.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27280390 - 04/24/21 12:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

"Aren't resistant to contams". Ha. Care to site that info? Clean spawn is clean spawn and is the result of clean inoculant, which is clean inoculant.

PE is slower, so there is more time for something shitty to take control if it's in there. That is true.

As goat said, BRF does better in handling bacteria. Many a syringe is plagued by bacteria. I once put spores from 12 different vendor syringes to agar and got bacteria and yeast on every single plate. Had those gone to grain, it'd of been a contam bonanza.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27282055 - 04/25/21 11:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Picture of my mycelium today.  10 days after putting it in the monotub.  No pins yet and it just keeps on colonizing.  Hope I get pins pretty soon...



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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27282069 - 04/25/21 11:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet. Looks like you've got some hyphal knot formation going. Should see pins soon. Congrats.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27282081 - 04/25/21 11:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nice setup. I would look into some better electrical options as I'm sure you're overloading that circuit which can be dangerous.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27284410 - 04/27/21 10:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

My mycelium is turning brown in a lot of spots.  Is this part of the pinning process?  Or is something wrong? 















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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27284417 - 04/27/21 10:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That is not normal.
I believe your sub is too dry.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27284422 - 04/27/21 10:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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That is not normal.
I believe your sub is too dry.




That makes sense, considering it all happened in all areas at once instead of spreading like I'd imagine a contam would...

Here's a timelapse from last night showing how it started until the lights turned off in case it helps.



If that's the case, how can I add moisture to just the sub?  I can crank up the humidity to stay at 100% for the next couple days and hope the sub soaks it out of the air maybe.  Or should I pull the sub with the liner and soak the bottom or something? 

I thought I had it at field capacity when I prepped the tub but I'm a noob.  Or maybe my unnecessary fan holes on the top are letting too much evaporation happen (although the sides of the tub have stayed pretty moist).


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27284489 - 04/27/21 11:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It's possible you had correct field capacity but your high FAE was not matched with enough hydration to replace the water that was evaporating away. You can attempt to save it still by putting a casing layer on it.

This is why everyone says none of the extra stuff you have is necessary. Monotubs will provide perfect conditions even unmodified. They are truly set and forget.

You can still use the gadgets you have if you want but you need to spend some time dialing in those conditions


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27284492 - 04/27/21 11:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It's possible you had correct field capacity but your high FAE was not matched with enough hydration to replace the water that was evaporating away. You can attempt to save it still by putting a casing layer on it.

This is why everyone says none of the extra stuff you have is necessary. Monotubs will provide perfect conditions even unmodified. They are truly set and forget.

You can still use the gadgets you have if you want but you need to spend some time dialing in those conditions




I'm realizing how correct you guys were!  lol.  I appreciate the help.  I can do some online searching too but what casing do you recommend?  Another thin layer of coir/vermiculite substrate?  Or just wet vermiculite? 

I'll definitely be trusting the mono on the next attempt.  Trial and error is how we learn I guess.

Thanks again!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27284503 - 04/28/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Peat moss and vermiculite at a 1:1 ratio is a true casing layer as it is non-nutritious and the mycelium won't colonize it but it requires pasteurizing which can be difficult for a new grower to do.

Coir/verm will work well enough for now.

Bods unmodified tubs work well for most people but I personally have a hard time keeping the surface conditions moist when I use them. My RH is around 10%

I prefer Pastys EZ dial monotubs for dry climates


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27284508 - 04/28/21 12:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Peat moss and vermiculite at a 1:1 ratio is a true casing layer as it is non-nutritious and the mycelium won't colonize it but it requires pasteurizing which can be difficult for a new grower to do.

Coir/verm will work well enough for now.

Bods unmodified tubs work well for most people but I personally have a hard time keeping the surface conditions moist when I use them. My RH is around 10%

I prefer Pastys EZ dial monotubs for dry climates




I don't have any peat moss but I have previously sterilized substrate left over in the pressure cooker I put in the fridge.  I'll pull it out and let it warm up overnight and put some on top tomorrow morning and keep the RH at 100% in the tub until then.  Hope that works...


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27284675 - 04/28/21 05:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I like your attitude.
Good luck.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27287397 - 04/30/21 02:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

After a casing layer, we've got pinnage boys and girls!  Woot woot!









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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27287709 - 04/30/21 10:33 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed. Wonder how she'll turn out.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27288451 - 04/30/21 10:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)



So far so good.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27288452 - 04/30/21 10:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nice.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27289763 - 05/01/21 11:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well here's today's grow progress.  I think this tub is going to be ok.  Not too bad for a first attempt if I do say so myself!  Thanks again for all the help!



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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27289996 - 05/02/21 07:01 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Im 8 days late to the party but that is a really cool tub. Very nice design and automation. Im not even gonna say you don't needs it, do more! It is cool AF>


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Sockadin]
    #27297872 - 05/06/21 11:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well I got 1 flush out of it.  37.75 grams dry.

After the first flush, I waited a couple days and noticed white mold took over.  I guess I got too confident.  Didn't really sterilize the scissors or my hands.  Figured the mycelium could handle contams at that point but it makes sense that it had a hard time considering I attacked it with scissors.  Lol. 

I'm still happy with the success of my first try.  Thanks again for everyone who helped me get my feet wet.  Going to figure out this AGAR thing and have 4 colonized grain jars I plan to put in a tub this weekend.  Going to try the EZ Dial tub design this time and skip the gadgets to see if it fairs any better.

Here's some pics of the tub before during and after harvest.  Enjoy.

Decided to take these big guys down the night prior.


The next day it seemed like the rest were ready.


I used little scissors and cut them at the substrate.


A few days later, white fuzzies were all over so I took the block out and threw it in my wood line upside down.  Maybe the clean underside will sprout a few outside in the woods.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27297888 - 05/06/21 11:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Are you sure you had white mold? Looks like the mycelium just recovered after harvesting mush, it happens.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27297897 - 05/06/21 11:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:   

Additional documentation further supporting this claim can be found here.

Ah, well.  2nd flush next time!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Mycelium Juice]
    #27297912 - 05/06/21 11:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Oh shit!  lol.  Well if it wasn't contaminated before it is now after laying face down in the woods.  I guess I just keep on learning new stuff!  It did have a different smell to it too so that was what convinced me to get it out of the growing area asap.  Smelled a little rotty and the tops of some of the pins had white growing too.  Better safe than sorry I figure.  And I have enough from the first flush to last me a while.

On a side note, I'm trying to figure out the AGAR thing and ordered everything for the recipe Philly Golden Teacher put on YouTube but I forgot Karo syrup and don't have honey.  What does the corn syrup do?  Can I skip it?  Or should I wait until my next grocery store run next week?

Here's his video:



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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27297915 - 05/06/21 11:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Corn syrup/ karo / honey are just further nutrients.
Generally speaking lme is normally fine without additions.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27297916 - 05/06/21 11:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I saw some stuff from that teacher, and can`t say that i`m impressed.
Why don`t you rely in that masses of agar recipes here on the board? :wink:

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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Goatrider]
    #27297924 - 05/07/21 12:02 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

information overload I guess.  I read quite a few threads but there are so many recipes and hard to know what is the best one.  And it's easier to follow a video I guess.  Do you have one you recommend?  I have the plastic cups with lids, telephone agar powder, blue food coloring, potato flakes, and a temp gun right now.  And I can eat the potato flakes, so I'm not committed to the recipe yet.  lol. 

I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks again gentlemen!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: psilogeek]
    #27297928 - 05/07/21 12:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I use a pretty standard MEA agar recipe, lately I’ve been lowering the sugar content a little to encourage rhizomorphic growth.

This pours 20 plates:
10g Agar
8g LME
500ml H2O

I’ve done a lot of others though and they all work, so I’d recommend using whatever you have on hand right. I used to do a lot of PDYA and then I was doing 10g agar in 500ml of the water I soaked my oats in when I made grain.


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27297954 - 05/07/21 12:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Have a look at Frank's agar media journal, you`ll get the idea.

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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: Goatrider]
    #27302091 - 05/09/21 08:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

its true that you dont need all that stuff, but you already have it, and you clearly like to tinker, so fuck it. its a hobby afterall...have fun. try some simpler teks, and stick with whatever you prefer.

if you do go with the autotub: ive found fans to be a complete hinderance. they dry the air abruptly which kicks on the humidifier prematurely. if there was no humidifier, the rh% would gradually rise back to its original position, but instead the box is flooded with fog before that has a chance to happen. over time this extra moisture builds up and can fuck with your surface.

i removed my fan and just let FAE happen passively by poking some holes. it works like a charm now. also instead of one big cake i do little shoeboxes that i swap in and out as needed, and i like that a lot better to. to each his own. have fun!


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Re: First Post, First Grow (fully automated monotub) [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27303249 - 05/10/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I want to say THANK YOU again to all of you who helped me on my first attempt!

I decided to start a journal.  If you want to see how I'm doing on my second grow and future ones, it seems like a more appropriate place.  You can check it out here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27303240

Happy growing!


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