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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27265847 - 03/23/21 10:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unless it's a gasket box, it has an imperfect seal at the top and I'd just leave the cover on and either clipped or unclipped.
Don't fan it, shoeboxes can dry out even if they aren't fanned, which is why some people fruit shoeboxes in monos.
It looks too tall for the fruits to push the lid up unfortunately, which is a cool thing about the 6q shoeboxes. Once the fruits are big enough to push the lid, they increase their own FAE in a 6q box.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: karri0n]
#27265927 - 03/23/21 11:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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PE definitely fully colonized and ready for casing 
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27266425 - 03/23/21 05:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey bud of course glad to help. Also even though I don’t reply as much because Faht gots it handled pretty well. I am always checking your thread when someone posts lol
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Fungi Rogers]
#27266720 - 03/23/21 09:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fungi Rogers said: Hey bud of course glad to help. Also even though I don’t reply as much because Faht gots it handled pretty well. I am always checking your thread when someone posts lol
Thanks bud I appreciate all the help I get. As far as I’m concerned everybody here knows a lot more than me and I will never turn down any buddy willing to help me. I’m grateful for so many people who take the time to give me advice on here.
Whoever wants to take a stab at this one I would like to know. It seems a lot of my fruits are coming up with skinny stems and I don’t think it’s lack of air if I was to guess it’s because the substrates too wet?? Isn’t that one of the reasons why this would happen besides lack of FAE. These two pictures are supposed to be of APES! I don’t see how that’s possible. There are only a couple of albinos in here and they are ridiculous looking. Ones in the regular tub ones in a shoebox.

I mean come on?! If these are a penis envy I feel bad for the guy who is envious. Well albino penis envy. Maaaannn,,,, these things shot up and some are dropping the spores! And these got cased as well. Very disappointing, very frustrating. One penis envy I get big balls another strain of penis envy I get skinny dicks. Wtf?!?! Again I guess I could just be grateful that I got fruit is no visible bacteria
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27266941 - 03/24/21 04:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could be sub to wet. To little fae. Or genetics? But that’s weird those don’t look anything like apes. Maybe mislabeled?
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Fungi Rogers]
#27267155 - 03/24/21 08:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fungi Rogers said: Could be sub to wet. To little fae. Or genetics? But that’s weird those don’t look anything like apes. Maybe mislabeled?
Yeah I already shot the guy a text who I bought the LC from. His response was… “ those don’t look like apes“ LOL! My response was… “No shit that’s why I’m contacting you!“ haha. He’s a real nice guy and trustworthy. I met him on IG and with this 30 mL barrel of apes he gave a free 30 mL bottle of regular PE. He said they were blobs I’m guessing that he is just as inexperienced as I am when it came to growing PE and wasn’t aware that they needed to be cased so when he grew out his PE they came out as blobs and thought that it was a genetic thing. Hence him giving me 30 mls of free PE LC. He’s a young kid and very kind and was very helpful in answering the many questions that I had at the beginning of this journey. This journey has been so enjoyable. I never thought I’d get so much pleasure out of growing mushies. I think 75% of the joy comes from the interaction with the other growers like yourself, Fahtster, LT Lurker, Karrion, coversall, idiotcircusboy, and even mindful mushie who meant well. His heart was in the right place. All of these people and everybody in between time out of their day to help me get through the beginning hurtles just warms my heart. Time is valuable and I don’t think everybody realizes that. Some people come on here and fire all kinds of questions that you guys and you guys put your heart and soul in effort into relaying the right information and then they go ahead and do what ever they want and then asked why it didn’t work. I’m sure they can get pretty frustrating. Are used to suffer from that syndrome of “I know best“ I made sure I put that in my back pocket when I signed up for this venture so I did use some of my own common sense because that’s a must. Who won the thunk!? I’ve got more shit going on now then I know what to do it. 10 tubs, some on first flushes some on second flushes, LC’s growing, stacks of agar plates from first culture all the way to third transfers. Just for the record and for any newbies reading this, I learned how to do all this in 90 days all from doing a lot of reading right here and from all the help I got from all the people I just named and theres a bunch I forgot, these were just off the top my head. Forever grateful felliiiiizzzzz!! Thank you. Take a peek at this mycelium in the shoebox! It is absolutely ridiculous I don’t even know what to do with it! It just cracks me up looks like I’m growing white grass. The other tub is my second flush coming with the PEs that I just harvested all the testicle envy out of. I’m hoping that I get some PEs out of the second flush. In the other shoe box is supposed to be apes that this guy definitely miss labeled. I had to split them up. A bunch of jars went into the 34 quart tub in the remaining went into the shoe box. FAHTSTER! what do you think of the blue balls tub?! It’s fully colonized again and I think I’m already seeing some nodding and I also see one l little fruit...an early bird as you call them.

I thought I’d throw a photo in of the harvest. And I thought pasta only came in angel hair. I’ve got angel hair mushrooms!! Haha. Oh well I will sample a gram to test out potency because that’s how I do it and grind them up and use them for capsules or tea or whatever because they’re too skinny to give whole. Hope everybody has a great hump day. I need to get off my ass and go to work. My hobby has consumed me. Thanks again for everybody’s help.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27267518 - 03/24/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't know myc could ever look like that Ernie. Crazy how it's growing. Happy for you!!
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Threads2theSoul said: I didn't know myc could ever look like that Ernie. Crazy how it's growing. Happy for you!!
Yeah that’s some crazy shit. Looks like I’m growing white grass. I think it’s trying its best to knot and pin. But it looks like whatever it is it’s not gonna fruit but I’ll keep it Rollin to see what happens. I’m more concerned about the tub to the left. It’s working on the second flush of penis envy the first flush wasn’t too good. It’s starting to pin now. I think I have my problem with most of my tubs as I make my substrate too wet because I keep getting stringy fruits.
And it’s still growing. Pretty soon I’ll need a freaking lawnmower. Lol. Well it looks like I’m finally going to get a healthy tub. Ironically this is the largest tub I’ve ever done of some lizard kings. I grabbed these specimens because Jim Morrison has always been my idol. I am the lizard king I can do anything. Too bad that doesn’t hold true for me. I noticed that I go on the wetter side with everything whether it’s hydrating grain or a hydrating my substrate or misting. So I backed off on my hydrating of these oats and I swear they’re under hydrated now which I don’t even think it’s possible because they got rinsed for a good 10 minutes because they’re dirty and then they soaked and boiling hot water for 35 minutes. I inoculated eight jars with four different varieties and all of them are stalling out. I really don’t think it was a contamination due to my clean technique because I am extremely careful especially with this batch. They were inoculated on the 16th and I’ve got a couple of pictures along with the healthy tub of lizard kings. If it’s not a matter of hydration then what is it that made all eight of these jars stall out. I was warned about these oats… The brand name. LT Lurker warned me. I read one guys bad comment on him saying he had weevils in his and it always had high bacteria and then I read a bunch of other peoples posts that say they don’t have any problem with pride oats

Nocced up on 3/16. Would you look at that mycelium grow it’s time to get the Weedwhacker!! Lol! That healthy tub that I got going… The one that at least appears to be healthy. When I Spond that besides smelling like fresh mushrooms I could smell almost a fermenting smell but it was the first time I ever used oats so I wasn’t sure if I was smelling colonized oats so I spawned it anyways and roll the dice. At this point I’m glad I did. There were other jars as well and they’re all producing too. Whoever would like to interject on my jars please feel free I would appreciate some advice on what’s going on.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27270537 - 03/26/21 04:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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@Fahtster.... I now know what you were talking about when you said you wouldn’t have written a whole tech on it and called your tech or something like that you said to me in an earlier conversation. Because I am now reading the whole 18 page homegrown tech LOL. The kids got good spirit and so far is keeping his head on his shoulders because me I would’ve told everybody to fuck off by now. There’s a whole shit load of people ganging up on him I’m only on page 2. It’s too bad I already know the end result.
3/26/21 Well guys, I finally have a successful grow...at least what I call a success. I have learned that here on the Shroomery what some consider a success is not a success by some of the more experienced growers. I define a success by producing fruit with a decent yield without any contamination from beginning to end. Also, it has to grow the way that variety is intended to. This is a 54 quart tub of lizard kings. God I love that name. I think I am going to concentrate on that one. This was just done by an LC. For some reason the MSS that I bought I could not get to germinate on agar. Running out of patience I injected several milliliters of it into a jar of LME. Explore is finally germinated in there and a gruesome my psyllium. I tested it and some anger there was no contamination so I knocked up four quart jars. Read while on the agar dish I have transferred it three times and I still have tomentose. I cannot get it to grow rizomorphically. 3 transfers!!! Here are a couple of pictures one of the dish one of the tub. Again thank you for all the coaching, support, and encouragement. I could not have done this without ya’z
 54 qt tub Spawned on 3/16..........Lizard King 3rd transfer/still Tomentose growth
3/27/21 I love the smell of CO2 in the morning. Smells like victory! I’m pretty happy with these tubs Fahtster. The lizard king tub is pretty loaded. However it’s just not an even flush. There’s so much fruit coming up but they’re all at different stages. I’m not sure how I prevent that from happening. The PE is coming along well. They are such slow growers it’s hard to tell if these pins are going to make it. I’m going to post some pictures and zoom in on the substrate. In one area there is a cluster of pins and I am just praying that they all grow. Then I get the penis envy shoe box which is on its first flush. It was spawned the same time as the mono tub end it is just producing now. I think it got dry. I don’t know what happened. That was part of the learning that I needed to case penis envy varieties. So I cased it and it slowed right down. The level of the substrate is much closer to the top than any other shoebox that I ever did. So my theory is because it was closer to the top it was drying out and it wasn’t getting the proper surface conditions because the CO2 couldn’t stay at the surface level. So I had to pay attention to it and put some love into it and now it’s producing. It’s at all different stages of fruit but producing nonetheless and it’s producing correctly. No balls/testicles LOL.

Pic#1 is the PE tub on a second flush. Pic#s 2&3 our sections of the PE tub where there are clusters of pins forming and I was curious if you think they are going to continue growing. You have to zoom in to see them obviously. Pic#4 is the PE shoe box that was spawn at the same time as tub#1 but it’s just now entering its first flush. I think it was shy. And last but not least pic #s 5&6 are my precious lizard Kings by Jim Morrison. It is my best tub to date. Faht... I don’t know where you’re at but you have earned the title as my official mentor. Hope you don’t mind. Thanks for all your help. When I look at these fruits I just can’t believe I finally did it. I have been dying to use this emoji since the first time I’ve seen it but it has not been appropriate until now. So here it is...
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27272812 - 03/28/21 08:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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3/28/21
Harvest Day! Cloning day! And spore printing day!

Apparently the American bison is partial to the PE variety! Lol
My only problem with the harvest is the various stages of my fruit. I think I remember being told that I can clip the caps off and let the other fruits finish.
I have a bunch of clusters and one or two fruits on the clusters are ready while the remaining are still small and not ready to be picked.
Getting the feeling that I wore out my welcome. I haven’t had any feedback in several days. This saddens me.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27272821 - 03/28/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Wall.E]
#27272826 - 03/28/21 09:23 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sometimes I get busy IRL.. especially on the weekends. Like I don’t even have time to type more than this lol
Edit: ok.. now I have a minute. Everything looks good! The thing about PE pins is that if you see one, there’s a 90% chance it’ll mature.. might not be huge or anything but odds are it’ll grow out. They just take a long time.. gotta be patient. Shoe box looks good. Sometimes subs will just fruit at different rates.. I’ll make 3 tubs of the same clone culture all at the same time and they’ll all fruit a day or even more apart.. just happens.
Looks like you’re right about your subs all being in the wet side.. just gotta remember to make them a little drier next time.
PE 54qt looks good.. they’ll all surprise you when they mature.. won’t look great until then.. I’m still surprised every. Damn. Time. Lol. You’re doing great man 
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
#27272884 - 03/28/21 10:10 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Faht!! Here’s my mentor!! Thank you sensei! I was missing your guidance. However, I meant that in a general sense and not directed solely at you. I know you have a whole Nother life besides the Shroomery and definitely besides guiding me. I have a whole slew of questions up there that I’ve asked over the past couple of days and I haven’t gotten any responses like I normally do from the village I have raising me! Lol. You know how the saying goes… Sometimes it takes a whole village to raise one of the youngins. Hope you are doing well. Stay busy but not overwhelmed. That’s my job! Lol
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27272894 - 03/28/21 10:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^^ and yeah.. don’t be afraid to just cut the caps off the mature ones leaving the stems.. it causes no problems
Edit: With your PE tubs... about mid flushing, increase your FAE, they love that.
Faht
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27272898 - 03/28/21 10:16 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have learned that here on the Shroomery what some consider a success is not a success by some of the more experienced growers. I define a success by producing fruit with a decent yield without any contamination from beginning to end.
Hey Ernie! Only you can define success.
With the exception of varieties that aren't yet stabilized, I have heard "Par" tends to be 1 ounce dried cubes to 1 quart spawn. "Eagle" is 2 ounces or more to 1 quart, and "birdie" is somewhere in between. That's probably the best sports analogy I could make.
With good reading and effort, I'd expect anyone could pull off 1oz per quart on a multispore grow. Getting those larger yields tends to be once you've found and isolated a strong performing culture, a good eye and knowledge for surface conditions, and possibly a decent natural brown thumb
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Getting the feeling that I wore out my welcome. I haven’t had any feedback in several days. This saddens me.
Nah, it's just an old thread, and you're kinda at the point where you need to be seeing things for yourself. Only so much can be asked/answered through text on a screen.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: karri0n]
#27272937 - 03/28/21 10:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah sorry bud shit just keeps popping up irl lol. I’ve been holding off transfers and agar work for like a week because of it. But hey was finally able to do it yesterday now I just gotta make a bunch of oat jars lol.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: karri0n]
#27273895 - 03/29/21 02:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fungi Rogers said: Yeah sorry bud shit just keeps popping up irl lol. I’ve been holding off transfers and agar work for like a week because of it. But hey was finally able to do it yesterday now I just gotta make a bunch of oat jars lol.
No opology needed. I get it. I’m very busy myself. Just made a bunch of oats myself and knocked them up with more PE that was gifted to me a while back in the form of an LC. After knowing what I know now I’m surprised I rolled the dice with it. Though I did test it to agar for contams first.
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I have learned that here on the Shroomery what some consider a success is not a success by some of the more experienced growers. I define a success by producing fruit with a decent yield without any contamination from beginning to end.
Hey Ernie! Only you can define success.
With the exception of varieties that aren't yet stabilized, I have heard "Par" tends to be 1 ounce dried cubes to 1 quart spawn. "Eagle" is 2 ounces or more to 1 quart, and "birdie" is somewhere in between. That's probably the best sports analogy I could make.
With good reading and effort, I'd expect anyone could pull off 1oz per quart on a multispore grow. Getting those larger yields tends to be once you've found and isolated a strong performing culture, a good eye and knowledge for surface conditions, and possibly a decent natural brown thumb
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Getting the feeling that I wore out my welcome. I haven’t had any feedback in several days. This saddens me.
Nah, it's just an old thread, and you're kinda at the point where you need to be seeing things for yourself. Only so much can be asked/answered through text on a screen.
We're still vibin with you mate!      
Thank KarriOn. And great analogy. I agree with you that I am at that particular point but I still love the conversation, the feedback, the camaraderie. I’m loving this whole new hobby and the community. I just look forward to the responses, and the reassurance. I still have a bunch of questions then I run into. In reference to your golfing analogy I guess I’m spot on because I just harvested a 3 quart tub and after doing the math from the wet weight I should have 3 ounces on the button. They are of lizard king. Though it’s a great analogy it’s hard to stick by it because of the type of fruit everything produces is different. Density, height, capsize etc. mine were from lizard kings. I really hope you continue to drop bye and put your two cents in. As I was saying I look forward to it. Thanks for all your help. I certainly didn’t mean it in the unappreciative sense.

My best work yet. First flush lizard kings. Just over a pound wet.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
#27273902 - 03/29/21 02:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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fahtster said: Sometimes I get busy IRL.. especially on the weekends. Like I don’t even have time to type more than this lol
Edit: ok.. now I have a minute. Everything looks good! The thing about PE pins is that if you see one, there’s a 90% chance it’ll mature.. might not be huge or anything but odds are it’ll grow out. They just take a long time.. gotta be patient. Shoe box looks good. Sometimes subs will just fruit at different rates.. I’ll make 3 tubs of the same clone culture all at the same time and they’ll all fruit a day or even more apart.. just happens.
Looks like you’re right about your subs all being in the wet side.. just gotta remember to make them a little drier next time.
PE 54qt looks good.. they’ll all surprise you when they mature.. won’t look great until then.. I’m still surprised every. Damn. Time. Lol. You’re doing great man 
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fahtster said: Sometimes I get busy IRL.. especially on the weekends. Like I don’t even have time to type more than this lol
Edit: ok.. now I have a minute. Everything looks good! The thing about PE pins is that if you see one, there’s a 90% chance it’ll mature.. might not be huge or anything but odds are it’ll grow out. They just take a long time.. gotta be patient. Shoe box looks good. Sometimes subs will just fruit at different rates.. I’ll make 3 tubs of the same clone culture all at the same time and they’ll all fruit a day or even more apart.. just happens.
Looks like you’re right about your subs all being in the wet side.. just gotta remember to make them a little drier next time.
PE 54qt looks good.. they’ll all surprise you when they mature.. won’t look great until then.. I’m still surprised every. Damn. Time. Lol. You’re doing great man 
Faht
Thanx Faht. You didn’t have to have to get back to me. Though I do appreciate the encouragement. And I love the conversation about growing regardless. Being active in this community is half the fun. I have another 32qt of PE running that has been cased and patched. And again it is on the wet side however I don’t worry too much about the PE being wet and the fruit growing stringy. I’m going to guess they need a lot of water anyway. But my question about whether or not it needs to be re-cased or should I let it start fruiting... I am going to post on Ted‘s page only because I enjoye the interaction. Feel free to answer if you have time but no worries if you don’t get to it. Thank you again for all your help and guidance and support. Appreciation is an understatement. God bless Brutha.
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Hello everyone! My my, for a platform that pissed me off so much in the beginning I sure did miss all you guys! I tell you all this though...I had to do a whole lot of thinking for myself and none of it ended in anything even close to a disaster. It has given me a whole lot of confidence. Looking forward to chatting with you all especially my sensei/professor....FAHT!! Hope you’ve all been well!
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Ernie! Good to see you back any updates on how everything went/is going
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