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Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 11,594 |
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I dont want free tuition, that's unfair as heck, because some people have a 6 figure debt while others have 10k.
A basic grant of 5k would go a long way imo. And socialist is a hot word, because Venezuela and Sweden are not the same.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: Please, the wealthy in the US are already doing the heavy lifting in tax. https://taxfoundation.org/publi In 2018, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.1 percent of all individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.9 percent. The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (40.1 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (28.6 percent). Quote: The issue there is an appropriate award wage. A fair day's wage for a fair day's work. Only fair. Expect though, if the US were to do this, to pay more for a pair of jeans or other consumables as we do in Australia. Products are far cheaper in the US as the wages paid there are low. Hence why so many rely on tips. The US consequently has a tip culture which is not the case here. If you go to a café or restaurant here you're not expected to tip. Quote: Well, I can't speak for the US on this issue. I can say it is still possible in Australia if one lives with their parents so rent is free and they save and invest. This 23 year old woman managed that on the Gold Coast; a city I see in view to the ocean. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem Quote: I still can't see how extra CGT and inheritance taxes will make property more affordable to you? I think you should be looking at fair minimum wages so you don't have to "work 3 jobs" and at the same time you'll have to throttle down on consumables as they will soar in price once fair award wages are set.
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Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 11,594 |
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You're referring to income tax, some people like Elon Musk limit their income tax greatly compared to what the average person can do.
And there isn't mention of capital gains taxes in your linked article. Quote: ![]() Quote: Living with your parents is a great way to save money. Family dynamics can be a complicated affair at times and living with your parents can be a serious compromise to privacy and mental health. It seems to me that independence is a riskier choice, but it is because nowadays the proportion of your salary required to own a home has tripled in the last 40 years! Looking into the investment market is a good strategy, but with potential for exponential growth I think the system should have caps. Quote: It's not that the tax revenue of extra CGT, inheritance and stock trading taxes would make housing more affordable, it's that they would provide more finances for public services like education, health, public transport and infrastructure. I think Australia has a more decent minimum wage, at least here we don't rely on tips!
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Yes, the wealthy can get more wealthy if they simply let their investments grow and don't sell. It's a simple strategy.
They incur proportionally speaking a low income tax because, if you have several billion and get by on $5-mil a year, you'll pay a small amount of tax by mere drip-feed selling to get cash to get by. If they choose to live a truly extravagant lifestyle they pay more tax. Better from a shareholder's point of view (yes, yours truly) that they live frugally relative to their multi-billion dollar operations, so they have the maximum amount of capital to grow. I'm a fan of Warren Buffet as he does just that. Your list shows he's tight on personal fan fare. So, I still can't see what's wrong with this? They grow great companies producing the very household names and products we all use daily. Be it operating systems, cell phones, brands of vehicle, cosmetics, clothes, pharmaceuticals, shipping, trucking, air flight travel and so on. If their company wealth was taxed it would reduce the means to produce these great products and services. The best stewards of this are the very passionate and work-a-holic CEO's; yes the billionaires. Never in 100+ years of Communism have we seen a single Commissar produce anything like what the billionaires routinely do. We are lucky such people exist! Now lets entertain your idea on taxing the gains on shares that have gone up even if not sold as a way to get a higher proportion of tax relative to their expanding holdings. You should realise if one knocked off the value of the shares by a tax on a sliding scale of value that it would drive shares down when they reach these arbitrary lines. This would see to massive volatility. Why would I want to invest for example in Tesla or Amazon if I get slugged a "billionaire tax" on unrealised share sales? And by what I mean "unrealised" is shares not sold so the profits or losses have yet to be realised. Yes, your idea is forcing a realised value on paper value shares. This is actually worse than margin loans that get called seeing to a forced sell off to claw back to lenders on a market where almost all is borrowed. That's how stock markets crash. It's worse because it would kill a bull market even with sound fundamentals where the tide is up for all. The US 401ks, Super in Australia and across the world would take the hit along with the billionaires. The very people who have created this opportunity for all to participate. Which gets me to the next point; if unrealised shares can be taxed by forced selling, what about property? How is that assessed? Property is very rubbery and much can influence its price including the ability of the agent selling. Would it be some big government bloat like the IRS or ATO arbitrarily deciding the value based on goofy actuarial studies? Really?? The reason why none of this unrealised selling has never been rubber stamped is because private property is respected by law. You own every grain of whatever it is until you sell it and then you face taxes. If it's a profit you get taxed. If it's a loss you can use it to offset gain to minimise tax. This is not going to change. Quote: I moved out age 18 because of such, but perhaps if faced with the headwinds the young have today I'd have played it differently. None the less I chose a harder path regardless. Quote: The billionaires already do this by employing no end of people who would otherwise be on welfare. Jobs and opportunity are made by the private sector. Taxes do not create prosperity because they act as brakes on economic activity. And in closing that meme you posted of burgers sold in the US and in Denmark, I'll go by a bona fide source. https://minimum-wage.procon.org A 2013 article by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago stated that if the minimum wage is increased, fast-food restaurants would pass on almost 100% of their increased labor costs on to consumers and that other firms may do the same. [2] A 2015 Purdue University study found that raising the wage of fast food restaurant employees to $15 or $22 per hour would result in a price increase of 4.3% and 25% respectively, or a reduction in product size between 12% and 70%: “a hamburger would be much smaller,” the researchers stated. [53] NBC News found that the price of a cup of coffee went up by 10 to 20% in Oakland, California, after a 36% minimum wage hike in the city to $12.25. The report also found a 6.7% rise in coffee prices in Chicago after the minimum wage rose to $10. [54] The Alberta Hotel and Lodging Association (Canada) found that a “sudden and significant increase to the minimum wage” would result in “ncreased prices for food & beverage, guest rooms and meeting facilities.” [55] Edited by Oz_Salvia (12/10/21 03:59 AM)
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Stable Genius, this is your thread and a good call as an oasis in a US-centric sub-board.
Yes, even though we will likely not agree per little and even less you may see my posts in your bias as boorish but you will agree I've kept this at the top of the subforum page. Not that I'm asking favours. ![]() So all said and done get back at your convenience so I can undress your ALP-esque ideals. Always a good muse to give the failed Leftie element a backhand. After all only on these boards and other lamenting platforms of sore arse'ry are such seen as they're still bent out of shape the majority voted LNP. Such will happen again.
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Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 11,594 |
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You don't want to regulate loopholes that allow capital gains taxes to be avoided.
You don't want a wealth tax specific to billionaires and multimillionaires. Quote: I get it that you want the bottom line to be padded, but there are 'bad' practices that allow for this, like using government subsidies to do stock buybacks, and monopolising pharmaceuticals to remove competition, price gouging and having no other companies that can challenge you. From a shareholders point of view, all the peasants are dispendible and if their life is on the line it makes it easier to squeeze them for money. Where on this scale do you think I am? Corporate tax cuts for the most part don't lead to foreign investment, wage or job growth, but instead returns to shareholders or investment. Quote: Quote: Quote: Here's an opinion piece from Fisher investments. Quote: And here's a report from the US Tax Policy Centre. Quote: Plenty of people that billionaires employ are on welfare. Quote: It doesn't look like the countries that increased their minimum wage have collapsed yet, and a slow and measured increase appears to be best practice too. Quote:
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: Sounds good to me. And where on the political spectrum are you? I'd say centre-left as you have ALP-esque ideals. It's generally fashionable to the young to have these ideals; even to the point of being radical Communists because that's the student culture in all universities and always has been. Take for example this poster plastered up all over the Australian National University in the Nation's capital, Canberra. This one was back in 2018. I recall much the same sorts of posters in the 1980's. It's always the same shill of Marxism. *yawn* I could be wrong on where you are on the spectrum but that's not important. While you're tilting at windmills you could put that effort into working another job and putting the money into the market. Yes, the quiet achiever. You won't beat this situation because the wealthy hold all the chips and therefore all the power, so best you join it. There is plenty out there for to get your hands on if you choose to. Go and look at this thread which is over 16 years old. There are Leftists in there crying about the same stuff you have. Now had they ceased their belly aching and invested over the said years they'd have improved their lot. https://www.shroomery.org/forum There will be in the years ahead the same lamenting across these boards because these drug boards attract an element of victimhood and rather than get on with a different approach they want to complain. I'm not impugning I'm just saying it as I see it. I don't see this view in the Motley Fool forums (per subscription services). Sure, some will lament if a share they have has done poorly. However on the whole they're optimists and have confidence in themselves and are happy to share and discuss stocks worthy of attention. Success is an attitude and poverty is a choice. Personally I gave away Left-wing thinking by age 15 or 16 knowing there's no such thing as a free lunch, nor is there in nature. Every calorie competed for in food webs and all under the pump of selection pressure at both intra and inter-species level.
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Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 11,594 |
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The stock market doesn't reflect the real economy.
Quote: What do you think the difference is between Sweden and Venezuela? Because I think it's important to be able to discuss policies without resorting to a strawman and exclaiming communism. I'm doing moderately well for myself at the age I am, and I know the system is unlikely to change in any dramatic way any time soon, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussing the potential for change. Opportunity is a catalyst and fortunately for Australians we have medicare so we're not eternally indebted for breaking a leg. I mean sure there's no such thing as a free lunch, and neither are there free submarines, free roads, free infrastructure, free healthcare or free education But somehow we get them.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: It's a myth the Left push. https://www.orlandosentinel.com A modern conversation between a Republican and a Democrat about socialism will end with the Republican asking, “What about Venezuela, Nicaragua and the Soviet Union?” The Democrat responds, “What about Sweden, Denmark and Norway?” Unfortunately, very few Americans are aware of the drastic differences in policy. Scandinavian countries truly are exceptionally wealthy, but “democratic socialists” are being dishonest about their policies. Far from socialist, the Nordic countries are actually closer to true laissez-faire capitalism than the U.S., as reflected in the Heritage Foundation’s Economic Freedom Index, year after year. Quote: Not at all as it show cases this Leftist ideal that has permeated throughout our universities and in turn poisoned the minds of many young graduates. Often hopelessly WOKE and full of victimhood and/or guilt because they subscribe to critical race theory. It's an idea that white people are wealthy because they're white rather than the graft they put in to get there. It makes POC believe they'll never get the same footing because the playing field is run by white supremacists. I've seen these aburd and emotive arguments on the boards and it plain hobbles people to not think individually and instead they absurdly think on identity. It's why so many on these boards are into defeatism. Quote: Well, once you build your nest egg you'll sigh in 20 years to have a 20-something expecting to get their hands on it, despite you legally applying tax minimisation strategies. Quote: Better to have private and aim to that. Quote: Yes, nothing is for free but legal tax minimisation is above all legal. I suggest you read this and apply this thinking going forward. Cease thinking you won't get ahead such as you won't buy a home in your 20's. You are not set by fate. Your decisions matter. https://themakingofamillionaire
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Radicalised Registered: 09/26/18 Posts: 6,234 Loc: Wide Bay Orstralia Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours |
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Quote: Sorry I was busy crawling through a roof helping another urban hippy. If you believe that the LNP or the ALP are completely wrong or completely right I don't believe we have anything to discuss. This left and right rubbish pushed by Sky News is turning our political debate toxic, they need their broadcasting licence cancelled imo. They don't broadcast News they broadcast vitriol and snide remarks, it's NOT news. Also, here's a few examples of what I think. I think Turnbull was a decent prime minister for a Liberal and always thought he should've joined the Labor Party. I also blame Paul Keating for the housing crisis which has done so well for anyone who bought a house 30 years ago but has made home ownership a nightmare for anyone buying their first house. And I wouldn't describe your post's as boorish, I can think of other descriptions but hey, glad you found the thread and are interested in replying.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: Let's review what bought that about and I agree with Howard on this because it's what happened in the 80's. https://www.therealestateconver Former Prime Minister John Howard yesterday told 350 delegates at the First National Real Estate convention in Cairns he was intrigued that the national economic debate about negative gearing had made very little reference to the experience of its removal in 1985. “When negative gearing was removed by then Treasurer Paul Keating in 1985, it was quietly brought back in the 1987 budget,” said Howard. “The debate needs to focus on that piece of field evidence because the experiment with negative gearing was widely regarded as a failure. That’s more important than glossy economists reports," he said. When negative gearing was removed in 1985, rents rose strongly. Point is, no matter how loud the Greens get the government simply hasn't the resources to have a massive roll out of government housing to give renters a roof over their head, even it were at market value rent. So the call back in the day was for the private sector to fill the gap by making the investment risk attractive by writing off interest rates occurred on the principle if the rent return is not profitable (known as negative gearing). They say the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. So the rental crisis in the 80's was simply can kicked down the road for 30+ years. Perhaps the best way to deal with negative gearing which we can't cease on investors who are already in on it, is to end it on all property unless they are new builds. This will encourage more new housing to ease the current rental crisis and get the construction industry booming; perhaps more jobs for the idle sparky to get in the roofs of the urban hippies. This is what negative gearing re-introduced in 1987 after it's 1985 hiatus should have been (if they were going to bother with it at all). Sadly it is what is. What I can say in my 24 years of property ownership is input by the government to influence the market usually has deleterious impacts, such as first home grants. These quickly see to a greater demand at entry level property which in turn pushes up property prices because it's all dominos of knock on. The winners are not the first home buyers; as the market climbs the real estate agents get greater commissions, the investment property owners see their unrealised property values rise including people like me who have property shares, not to mention State governments getting stamp duty taxes at the expense of the Federal coin. Now I have seen several of these schemes peter out as fails make the said wealthier and the rest holding the bag, especially the first home buyers it was supposed to help. So the schemes have tried to learn from past mistakes. Such as the current federal first home buyer's grant under the guise of GST exemption. https://www.firsthome.gov.au/ And here in Queensland we have stamp duty exemption. https://stampduty.calculatorsau As a first home buyer you don't pay stamp duty for the property up to $500k (due to First Home Concession Rate). Then you get a discount for properties valued between $505,000 and $550,000. If property worth more than that you pay full stamp duty rates. Now it's clear neither removing GST and Stamp Duty for first home buyers has dampened real estate values for first home buyers. Which again only reinforces my view that successive government market manipulations only hurt. Yet rather than accept it there's this view that we need to tax heavily to afford public housing or hand over a bag of cash to first home buyers to get head. Well, go ahead, I'll continue to minimise my taxes because I'm not paying for it. I don't see why we need to further encourage generational welfare and sink-estates, nor push property prices up by even more taxes, be it direct new taxes or the loss of existing ones (i.e. GST and Stamp Duty). In hindsight it would have been better to have a complete laissez faire approach in the 1980's. Sure, many would have found it tough to rent and given the Hawke/Keating 'recession we had to have' 17% interest rates, they'd have had to hold off until the mid-1990's to buy in. And this is why I believe in the private market. It keeps the field pure. Edited by Oz_Salvia (12/11/21 10:05 PM)
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Radicalised Registered: 09/26/18 Posts: 6,234 Loc: Wide Bay Orstralia Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours |
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I'm glad you agree.
Something I find hilarious as well is that if it wasn't for the Greens there'd be next to zero investment in Renewable Energy. Join me in thanking Bob Brown
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: It's not the Greens who are making renewables happen it's the private sector. The same crowd the Greens would love to tax no end. Go look at the Greens policy on their "tax the billionaires" nonsense, where the money they're claiming they want to tax is unrealised paper value shares. https://greens.org.au/tax-billiWhose policy is making renewables happen? Yes, the LNP. ![]() https://www.smh.com.au/world/as The government’s technology investment road map is expected to result in up to $20 billion being invested over the next 10 years, but the government is targeting $60 billion in investment from the private sector – much of it from overseas. “Inbound investment into Australia is so crucial if we are to realise the potential business growth in these sectors,” Birmingham will tell the Milken Institute on Monday. Also, you'll be conflicted over your idol Bob Brown, and soon will be reading this. ![]() https://www.theguardian.com/aus
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Club 27 Registered: 12/18/12 Posts: 12,455 Loc: attending Snake Church Last seen: 5 hours, 14 minutes |
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You guys are the only ones active on the political forum lately. If you don't mind, I would like to ask a couple questions. What political parties are the relevant ones in Australia? Do they usually have to form coalitions?
Another thing, I read about 4 years ago an article in Rolling Stone about Western Australia being an ecological disaster because they built it up and brought the water in from elsewhere, which sounded a lot like the Western U.S., probably more accurately South Western. -------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 11,594 |
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You seem to like sharing opinion pieces.
Quote: Critical race theory is essentially a history class taught in some universities. Talking about things like the border between Texas and Oklahoma. Quote: Australia, America, and a variety of lands are permeated with a history of genocide and racism, in acknowledging history it doesn't mean people who aren't racist or perpetrating bigotry should feel bad about anything. And a lot of white people made it on their own, a lot of white people also had slaves, heck even black people had slaves. Some people are too woke on all this, it's a history lesson, not a grovel and apologise for something you didn't do session. If in 20 years time the rules that worked in my day had changed, I'd be able to acknowledge that. Universal healthcare is a good start. imo. Quote: Slavery used to be legal too, doesn't mean it's something that shouldn't be up for discussion to jump on the changing table.
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Radicalised Registered: 09/26/18 Posts: 6,234 Loc: Wide Bay Orstralia Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours |
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Seriously? Geeeez.
I said I FIND IT HILARIOUS that due to Bob Brown (and the general success of the Greens in the 90's) we saw a MASSIVE investment in renewable energy. Personally I think he's a bit of a dick, and the Greens wouldn't be my first choice to govern(due to some of their crazy policies), nevertheless he got shit done. Thanks Bob. Thanks for being such a huge pain in the arse for the major parties and holding a gun to the Labor party's collective head to form government and actually getting shit done.
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Radicalised Registered: 09/26/18 Posts: 6,234 Loc: Wide Bay Orstralia Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours |
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Quote: Labor Party - workers party Liberal Party - conservatives and people that think they're better than everyone else party National Party - farming party morphing into a coal mining party... weird... usually the minor party in a coalition government with the Liberals hence the LNP. Greens - almost as big as the Nationals in the 90's but they still won't legalise pot ![]() One Nation - racist cunt party fast gaining in popularity. Other assorted odd ball parties... Bob Katter is my favourite. Quote: Western Australia mmmmmm they don't like us I'm serious they don't like anyone from the eastern states so I dare not answer for them but I do know their land clearing practise after WW2(soldiers were given a cheap plot) ruined a lot of land.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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In regards to Sweden and socialism pitch.
https://www.cato.org/policy-rep There is just one problem: Sweden is not socialist. If Sanders and Ocasio‐Cortez really want to turn America into Sweden, what would that look like? For the United States, it would mean, for example, more free trade and a more deregulated product market, no Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the abolition of occupational licensing and minimum wage laws. The United States would also have to abolish taxes on property, gifts, and inheritance. And even after the recent tax cut, America would still have to slightly reduce its corporate tax. Americans would need to reform Social Security from defined benefits to defined contributions and introduce private accounts. They would also need to adopt a comprehensive school voucher system where private schools get the same per‐pupil funding as public ones. All up if you think Sweden is a great Socialist paradise then head off there. No one is stopping you. Quote: It's a huge waste of time to clutter one's head with that nonsense. It's divisive as it measures people on their identity not individuality. Reminds me of the lyrics of the British Neo-Nazi band Screwdriver's 'Showdown': "the colour of your uniform is the colour of your skin"; yet that's also the BLM/AntiFa mantra with the same identity thinking hence this absurdity (lifted else where on this sub-board). ![]() We live in a white supremacist patriarchy so no you aren’t wrong, but it’s not like other groups have some explicit opposition to war and capitalism. It’s Plato’s Cave for most people, theyve lived in the “war and capitalism” box their entire lives and can’t fathom a system outside that. Even the millennials who swear that half of them love socialism only mean that they want the social safety net expanded. Or one could reject both of the extremist nonsense and think individually and succeed. ![]() Quote: Well, no guilt. I live in a white enclave and prefer it. I chose it. I did my own research per spatial demographics. Safer community and few rentals and too pricey for riff-raff. All owner occupied and many well heeled. Low crime rates. Ticks the bucket list of a more likely safe place to age. That's realism. Quote: Whites had slaves long ago where none are alive today nor are the slaves they had. Time to move on. Blacks still have them but that's conveniently airbrushed https://qz.com/africa/1333946/g Quote: It's definitely part of the victimhood Olympics of the Left. To be more a loser is exalted. To blame one's lot on everyone else is accepted. Quote: You're assuming two things over the next 20 years: 1.) that the change you want will come, which is less likely given the real change has seen the gap between the "have" and "have not" widen, not just in Australia but across the world (and this momentum will only increase); and 2.) that your political thinking will remain static. Now what's going for you is you're in your early years. You can jump on board and give all that Leftie idealism the boot. I gave you a link to go read and think for yourself in getting ahead. Get selfish and get real. That's how it is. No one will come save you unless you do yourself. For the old fart Lefties on these boards who have never got ahead because of bitter indolence they're stuffed. Could care less for them. Quote: It's inevitable in the years forward it will implode in costs and private will be the only means. Ask yourself, are you going to be in a position to brace that? Quote: So you equate my tax minimisation to being the same as slavery. Interesting. I guess being white, male, hetero, middle aged, got some mils, then I'm part of that hated bourgeoise class. I can hear the cart wheels of a tumbril in your imagination taking me to the gallows of the peoples' court for your glorious revolution.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: The Greens became a household word because of the stopping of the Franklin River Dam; a dam which would have added to the hydo-electric generation of Tasmania which feeds the NEM by a Bass Strait interconnector. So that's a counter-argument then and there. You should also appreciate rewnewables were far more expensive in the 1990's than they have become in recent years as the experience curve was yet to be realised. It was the private sector investment which did this. The Greens in the 1990's were small party, a good deal smaller than the ~10% of the electorate they are now and back then were an environmental party. These days they've become a Leftist party having robbed the ALP of their more radical leftist supporters. So how and why do you erroneously think they had the political clout back then that they have now by swaying the ALP of today? Spare me revisionism. More formatively, it was not the Greens which bought about the change in emissions thinking, it was actually John Howard who did with his Australian Greenhouse Office - a world first to monitor by LandSat imagery landuse change for emissions, coupled with other metrics on other GHG sources. I know because I worked in this federally! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A The Australian Greenhouse Office (AGO) was formed in 1998 within the Government of Australia as a stand-alone agency within the environment portfolio to provide a whole of government approach to greenhouse matters. It was the world's first government agency dedicated to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, managed Australia's response to climate change, and provided government-sanctioned information to the public. Yes, this is what changed the mindsets to think of reducing emissions. You have to first empirically measure them to realise them to accept them and then craft policy to mitigate them. Other than landuse change the greatest emitter is electrical generation. I can assure you these numbers per the NIR and for years now have been and are submitted to the IPPC. Quote: It wasn't renewables that he got moving. It was a revitalised sense of environmentalism that came about by stopping the Franklin River Dam. Give credit where it is due. Sadly the Greens party lost its way on environmentalism and has become a radical Leftist rabble. Quote: Thanks Bob, for your "Convoy of No-Confidence" that swung Queensland to vote in ScoMo, so my franked shares remain untaxed nor have I been slugged an extra 25% on equities CGT. Bet Shorten just loves good ol'Bob.
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Conservative Registered: 04/14/20 Posts: 165 Last seen: 2 years, 4 months |
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Quote: Yet the tradies being the workers being the proletariats mostly vote the LNP because they like the dough they make and the property they can buy with negative gearing. The ALP supporters are mostly government employees (public servants), unionists, numerous uni students, WOKE'ists, and inner-city progressives known as hipsters. These arts degree'ed sorts have been mind poisoned on Marxism to see themselves as the intelligentsia, yet generally earn a good deal less than the proletariats they despise whom they call bogans. Bitter grapes. Quote: It's the party for people who want to work hard, save, invest and leave a Will to whom they please without unfair taxes to rob their endeavour. Their Liberal name is not to be confused with liberals in the US who are socialists. It's Liberal as in lasse fair. Quote: They're still a farmers' party and farmers believe in owning property and private enterprise (hence their commonality with the Liberal Party). The coal issue is one of jobs in regional areas which saw the ALP Shorten lose his bid at the previous Federal election because he followed the Greens charter. That was fk'n poetry on election night. Quote: Pot should not be legalised until a robust method to determine driver impairment intoxication and not just trace. I don't want stoned drivers on the road any more than drunks but I don't want people who smoke pot on the weekend to get done on Monday. Quote: Fast gaining because of the preachy Leftist views that they're racists. Everyone is fed up with the WOKE fuck'tards pushing endless guilt bollocks. Quote: I like Clive Palmer's United Party, partly because he's a billionaire and successful. It means he can't be bought like the other politicians as why would he want a brown paper bag?
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but hey, glad you found the thread and are interested in replying.



I'm serious they don't like anyone from the eastern states so I dare not answer for them 

