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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27507403 - 10/17/21 01:28 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#27507449 - 10/17/21 03:02 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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That billboard in Times Square is gold 
It's bizarro... I'm waiting for the cigar to explode, ya know? ... like imagine these pair of twats AND Newscorp all going green at the same time? I'm sure I'm missing something here??
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Maybe they looked at the latest climate models and realized that they would like to have an Australia to do business in 20 years from now?
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
#27507989 - 10/17/21 01:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what their reasoning is? We're talking about a Federal government and a media giant having a green epiphany simultaneously.
The way this was announced via Newscorp last Monday was so purposely obvious I'm still waiting for the 'ha ha gotcha' punchline.
As long as ScoMo is serious and inline with the rest of the world I don't care... but it won't be that simple. The coal mining MP's like Matt Canavan and George Christensen and even my own MP Resources Minister Keith Pitt will be SPEWING they have to support ScoMo over this with Matt Canavan already drawing a line in the sand saying he won't, with no prize for guessing what George Christensen thinks... it's gonna be awesome this week.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/joyce-expects-colleagues-to-reject-deeper-cuts-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-2030-20211017-p590oj.html
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ABC's Media Watch summarised the decades long Newscorp climate change denial interference and their recent backflip nicely below.
The significance of the Murdoch media FINALLY backing off with their climate change denial BULLSHIT should not be overlooked with anyone wondering why Australia hasn't done better on climate change action in the past.
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That's a great point.
Are there any big elections coming up, in which the right-wingers are likely to lose? Might just be some face saving for COP26, but I don;t see why that would start now.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
#27510531 - 10/19/21 06:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don’t know if you watched that Media Watch video, and that’s cool, but ex prime minister Malcolm Turnbull says similar to what you’re saying and that is the Murdoch press aren’t going to politically crucify the present government for implementing a net zero emissions target. The situation where a media outlet can topple a government is exactly where we are at in Aus, and is exactly why our media ownership laws are flawed.
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Yeah, I do tend to skip videos. But, I watched this one. First off, do all news stations have that many different voices? Like, holy shit. Guess I haven't watched the news in way too long.
And yeah, I agree that Murdoch is giving political cover, but I don't have a clear "why?", at least, without relevant background. To wit: why does Morrison need political cover? Is there enough climate-related activism that he is in danger even backed by Newscorp? Is there some other reason? The whole investment thing from the beginning I don't buy, because if this was entirely about money then they would be in a more profitable industry. News exists to shape public opinion, not to earn money.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
#27510861 - 10/20/21 03:03 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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All the voices? So ABC'S Media Watch does a weekly show highlighting the worst media stories and uses different voices to convey the headlines from different newspapers. They look at print media as well as tv, that's why they started the show with Carrie Bickmore from Channel 10. It's interesting you point that out as I'm so used to it. It's a great show as they fact check the hell out of journalists across the board, they even fact check the journos at the ABC!... which is even more reason to love the ABC 
Why would Murdoch be giving ScoMo's conservative government political cover?... I''ll guess and say they chose a point of difference as their business model and have ended up morphing into the right wing juggernaut we are stuck with today. It's not some sort of conspiracy.
To give you more background geeez, we would have to go back and look at the last 15 years of climate and energy debate. I'll summarise it by saying in the late 2000's Labor had a decent attempt at implementing effective climate change related policies like a renewable energy target, as well as a couple of different versions of a tax on carbon.... nobody likes taxes and Labor's strategies were an easy target for the conservatives backed by the profit driven fossil fuel and mining and business industries.... fast forward past 14 years of garbage politics and like it or not the world has moved on, renewables are now cheaper than coal, gas or nuclear, coal mining is seen as a risk that is almost unable to gain insurance, the science is no longer debatable that climate change is a happening thing, and the icing on the cake; Aus will be hit with a carbon tax via other countries now anyway!
So basically the position they've painted themselves into is fucking ridiculous, and I think it's fantastic that 85% of Australians want some real action to start happening... we wanted something happening 15 years ago! Tony Abbott, worst cunt of a prime minister to ever darken the doorway of Parliament House lost his affluent Sydney seat of Manly-Warringa to an independent last election... an independent!... he was beaten by a very well co-ordinated campaign that was community driven as people had had enough of his BULLSHIT! so yeah the conservatives have lost this one, we are all collectively waiting to see what sort of deal ScoMo is doing with his National Party coalition partners this week to see IF he takes a net zero commitment with him to Glasgow.
God, I need a beer after all that
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Stable Genius said: So basically the position they've painted themselves into is fucking ridiculous,
Yeah, but that was true 15 years ago, I still don't see why they're suddenly switching sides. Especially since they're a juggernaut.
I shall take a dig into it, assuming I don't spend my entire night playing starsector.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
#27511634 - 10/20/21 05:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:I still don't see why they're suddenly switching sides.
You and the rest of Australia. Fran Kelly read this out last Monday morning on Radio National just like Carrie Bickmore did, wondering if she’d misread the article. After she’d finished reading the headline her dry humour comment was “they’re a bit late getting on this horse aren’t they?”
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Well, we're last in climate efforts, although our export of coal are bad, even with that aside we dawdle a lot as a country.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#27513747 - 10/22/21 02:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hate to say it but if the world is still going to burn coal in the short term, and it is, it probably should be burning Aus coal.
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Ismet Canbulat, the chair of rock mechanics at UNSW's school of mining engineering, told Fact Check that Australia "on average" has cleaner coal than other countries.
"But in fact it's not really clean coal - it's the amount of coal burnt for the required amount of energy is less if you use Australian coal because the ash content is lower, which means you burn less coal, which means you put less CO2 into the atmosphere," he said.
He said the ash content of Australian coal varied between eight per cent and 20 per cent, so not all Australian coal was cleaner but on average it was.
A report supplied to Fact Check by the Minerals Council of Australia showed that Australia was a significant exporter of high energy-content, thermal coals.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-27/fact-check-is-australias-export-coal-cleaner/6952190
The coal that will come out of the giant Adani mine(in the Galilee Basin) isn't as good as the coal that is found in the Bowen Basin, this is why Adani should have never been given the go ahead. Like most issues the answer isn't black and white.
When science works out how to run a blast furnace on hydrogen and ships on ammonia, then we will see a major shift in capital and fossil fuel use drop dramatically.
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I think the point is that Australia hasn't made real progress towards climate action in either of the 4 metrics.
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Australia has been ranked dead last for climate action in the latest Sustainable Development Report, which assesses the progress of countries towards achieving the Sustainable Development Goals.
In the latest edition of the report, produced by the UN-backed Sustainable Development Solutions Network, Australia received the lowest score awarded to any of the 193 members of the United Nations for the level of climate action, a withering repudiation of the Coalition government’s climate efforts.
The annual report is an authoritative assessment of countries progress towards meeting the Sustainable Development Goals, including the progress of countries towards goals relating to “climate action” and the adoption of “affordable and clean energy”. Australia received the lowest score awarded, just 10 out of 100, for the ‘climate action’ goal, which tracks countries across four core metrics, including the level of emissions from fossil fuel use, embedded emissions in imports and exports and progress towards implementing an effective price on greenhouse gas emissions.
According to scores provided in an database included with the latest assessment, Australia ranked amongst the top three countries for exported greenhouse gas emissions per capita, behind only Qatar and Norway. Australia also ranked among the top ten countries for per capita fossil fuel use.
The report found that Australia had not achieved any positive progress against the four ‘climate action’ metrics and saw Australia slip below Brunei, the only country that received a worse score than Australia for climate action in the 2020 edition of the report.
While Australia ranked very poorly on climate and clean energy, it received much better scores on goals relating to public health, education and economic performance.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/australia-ranked-dead-last-in-world-for-climate-action-in-latest-un-report/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Dat kleen koal
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/trump-thinks-clean-coal-is-when-workers-mine-coal-and-then-actually-clean-it-b56a2d4317bc/
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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I gave up on the government doing anything substantial towards addressing climate change years ago and put my faith in capitalism instead. When the numbers don’t stack up for coal anymore the capital will dry up.
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Emanuel Macron and Scotty from Marketing. These fuckers won’t save the world :anymore than I will
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I'll reboot this because I don't like the ALP's plans.
I voted LNP last election and gladly did, and why?
I didn't like the Shorten politics of envy per punishment taxing of the retired. He had plans to double-tax franked dividends. This would have seriously costed me a steady stream and just about all of the retired. Better the retired be self-funded than look to welfare.
Shorten also wanted to increase the tax by 25% on equity profits sold at the 13th month on the FY. Again, if I change a horse Shorten wants a cut, fuck him. He also wanted to reduce, at the time, the non-concessional input to Super from 100k to 75k. Seriously, the goal for all Australians is to get as much into super as they can, to: 1.) suffer only 15% taxation on growth; and 2.) have zero percent taxation once they reach preservation (a sum of 1.7-mil currently thanks to ScoMo). Shorten also wanted to end negative gearing which would have led to a rental crisis like that other fuck'tard PM Hawk did in the 80's.
Shorten was so on the nose even his own party booted him.
All up the ALP's game was all to screw people like me and all other Australians who overwhelmingly are prosperous and by endeavour so they voted to reject the ALP. Yes, the LNP won and will again. Fuck the Australian Left because they want to fuck Australia!
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Oz_Salvia]
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I'll be voting Labor this election.
Last federal election the LNP ran on a fear campaign and all the millionaires shit their pants. Instead of giving the younger generation a chance to buy a home they smugly voted for a party that did the opposite.
We need a redistribution of wealth in Australia, housing isn't seen as an essential item, it's a way for the rich to get richer and that sucks 
The LNP has stimied the clean energy debate for the last 15 to 20 years, they don't represent the broader communities views. Fuck the LNP and fuck Tony Abbott, Barnaby Joyce, George Christensen, Christian Porter and Matt Canavan and the rest of them.
Labor got Aus through the GFC by injecting cash into the system. The LNP howled the whole way. Come covid what did they do? exactly the same.
I'll happily pick the lesser of 2 evils and vote LABOR.
So should anyone in the upcoming NSW local election. The NSW LNP are a party of crooks and Jordan Shanks agrees.
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Given the majority of federal governance has been by the conservatives since WW2 indicates the majority of Australians are centre-right. They don't want this idea of "redistribution of wealth" which means taxation thievery as Shorten had planned.
The ALP plan for the previous federal had nothing to do with giving the young a chance at buying their first home nor has the ALP any actual policy to that end even now. What Shorten was out to do, was to do down equities investors whose capital drives companies, innovation and entrepreneurs. That's jobs! Shorten ran a campaign of greed, claiming any who had worked, saved and invested were hoarding, despite the fact they had worked their whole lives (a.k.a the retired). The real greed is by the Socialists who want to take it without actually having created it. Shorten was a union hack and never a businessman. He knows nothing about how to make his own money aside fat cat salaries. That's the general malaise of the ALP. The only one worth a bob is Latham and he left knowing the ALP is little more than a Greens romance.
You best realise that Socialism does not create wealth. Private enterprise does. It's also why we have the range of consumables we do. If you're not convinced compare what the Soviet Union had as their main car being a Lada to what the West has, chalk and cheese. If you want that grey breadline world then go to Venezuela or Cuba. No incentive means nothing brilliant happens.
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Labor got Aus through the GFC by injecting cash into the system. The LNP howled the whole way. Come covid what did they do? exactly the same.
And the ALP are not howling over the cost of COVID to the economy? You know damned well they are. So spare me this spin.
You should acknowledge Howard left a nice 80-billion in the pantry when the shit show of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd PM'ships pi$$ed it away like drunken sailors. That's all the Socialists can do is blow others' money as they can never make any themselves. What's more, despite the massive dough of the mining boom over those years (2007 to 2013) Australia came out broke. The LNP again having to pick up the pieces as they do every time these ALP hacks get their hands on the piggy bank.
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