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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28506236 - 10/15/23 11:57 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

The argument is the Labor Party failed miserably to ensure there was any real change to the status quo by putting together a half arsed, badly communicated, emotionally loaded, message/policy, with very little detail on what ‘A Voice’ meant in real terms.
To spend that much money and see it achieve nothing IS a waste of money, this was the Labor Party’s baby, they fucked it up.

There was going to be some sort of advisory body formed apparently, nobody understood what power that body was supposed to have or if it could challenge government, or challenge land ownership or if it had any teeth to do anything more than installing another layer of bureaucracy to the long line of failed government bureaucracies, committees, commissions, inquiries, departments which always work out well for the people on the committee but never do much for the people they’re supposed to be helping.

If you’re angling to stir the pot to create some sort of racist issue here I doubt anybody is interested in playing your stupid games.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28506267 - 10/16/23 12:50 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I’ve been hearting so much the recent guardian claim that the dark spectre of misinformation is the reason why the referendum failed. It seems the media, alongside politicians, like the write off the electorate as being so many stupid and easily led lemmings…and maybe, in many respects, we actually are—but amongst my family and small circle of friends who voted no (who have innumerable disagreements with me on a multitude of other issues), it came down to unequal representation in a  democracy. That, for them and I at least, was the big problem. Wouldn’t matter the ethnicity propped up for an additional means of representation.  It was patently unfair.

The uncovering of Thomas Mayo’s deplorable “scheme” did nothing but drive another coffin nail into the cause, by the way. If you don’t know who that gentleman is and what he stands for, go do some looking around.

Anyhow, I do quietly applaud mister potato head/Voldemort for pushing for a total audit of the funds given to rural and remote indigenous communities. If there’s been no graft then I’ll move to the states and don a red cap. I suspect huge diversion of monies into la-do-da programs that do nothing to address trauma, substance abuse as a coping mechanism for such trauma, dysfunctional and abusive upbringing as a consequence of intergenerational inequality.

At SOME point, however—and it should never be me up for this job and it shouldn’t be now—those with indigenous heritage who have pulled themselves out of the awful and protracted consequences of all of THAT, they will need to tell the stories of why and how they did it.

And there won’t be wiggle room when it’s laid out in the open. No matter your melanin level, your ethnicity, or the circumstances into which you were born, the solution is the same for all of us:

You have to decide not to repeat what hurt you, take responsibility for yourself and pride in who you are, and leave the past behind. That doesn’t happen overnight for everyone. It’s a journey and lots of us need help along the way.

But Id like hear that story one day. Because it could empower a lot of good people and inspire them.


Edited by Milleresque (10/16/23 12:53 AM)


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28506627 - 10/16/23 09:48 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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If you’re angling to stir the pot to create some sort of racist issue here I doubt anybody is interested in playing your stupid games.




How is me arguing that having a monarchy *would* save money re: cost of running elections...racist?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28506845 - 10/16/23 12:44 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

You’re only commenting to shit stir… but if that’s what’s important to you don’t let me stop you.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28506849 - 10/16/23 12:48 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

You're only complaining about the cost of elections to shit stir... but if that's what's important to you don't let me stop you.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28506885 - 10/16/23 01:21 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Shit stirring? Don't be minimising the cost!

It's over $300 million!

To any normy person that's fucked.

Doesn't matter if referendums usually cost that much, it's about allocating funds towards useful things. Someone benefited with deeper pockets from that referendum.

But hey, it wasn't $3.3 billion on new furniture like the US government spent during Covid.

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Feds had $3.3B furniture splurge during COVID, bought solar-powered picnic tables, leather recliners

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/10/03/federal-agencies-spent-3-3-billion-on-new-furniture-while-employees-worked-from-home-during-covid-pandemic/amp/




There's too much bureaucracy allocating funds for nonsense.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28506949 - 10/16/23 02:13 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Unless you are in that bureaucracy and actually are aware of where that money is going and how, I don't think you really get to claim that it is nonsense, unless you wanna add the qualifier of "according to my uninformed ass".


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28506956 - 10/16/23 02:18 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I guess Americans are used to seeing their taxes spent on everything except benefiting Americans so we should cut him some slack, he doesn’t know any better.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #28506963 - 10/16/23 02:23 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Taxes, lol....We spend way more than we collect in taxes, bro.  We're spending our grandchildren's money.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28507006 - 10/16/23 02:59 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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I guess Americans are used to seeing their taxes spent on everything except benefiting Americans so we should cut him some slack, he doesn’t know any better.




Like I said. Establishing a monarchy is a great way to save money on elections. If your concern is money being spent on referendums, I don't understand why you are against the establishment of a monarchy. No more referendums.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28507016 - 10/16/23 03:09 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Monarchies are expensive, though.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Enlil]
    #28507046 - 10/16/23 03:37 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

We get ours cheap



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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28507055 - 10/16/23 03:42 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

You get what you pay for though, the lazy bastards don’t do a damn thing.

They can’t even pardon their criminal friends.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28507257 - 10/16/23 06:17 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Unless you are in that bureaucracy and actually are aware of where that money is going and how, I don't think you really get to claim that it is nonsense, unless you wanna add the qualifier of "according to my uninformed ass".




It's certainly money that didn't go far towards the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) or towards actually helping with any rural issues.

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Budget papers released on Tuesday revealed $364.6 million will be spent over the next three years to help deliver the referendum that will be held later this year.

That money includes $10.6 million for information pamphlets that will be sent out to households detailing both the 'yes' and 'no' cases. The National Indigenous Australians Agency and the Museum of Australian Democracy have been allocated $12 million over two years.

That cash is being put towards "neutral public civics education and awareness activities".

The NIAA will also be granted $5.5 million next financial year for "for consultation, policy and delivery".   

The Department of Health and Aged Care will get $10.5 million in 2023–24 "to increase mental health supports for First Nations people" during the referendum period.

The government has also moved to amend the tax laws to enable the Voice No Case Committee to be listed as deductible gift recipients.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/budget-papers-reveal-the-3646-million-cost-of-delivering-the-voice-referendum/news-story/80a7550b3113a0ff07902cb6da6850e1%3famp




So around $20 million over 2 years towards the NIAA and department of health and aged care.

$10 million for pamphlets, and a good $330  million more for what?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28508009 - 10/17/23 11:14 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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$10 million for pamphlets, and a good $330  million more for what?




Why not file the kangaroo version of a freedom of information act request and find out?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28513616 - 10/22/23 01:32 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Oh well, prine minister Albanese  is off to Washington to receive his orders. Nothing to see here.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Milleresque]
    #28513636 - 10/22/23 02:44 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

He's also going to China to receive orders - if that's how you view things :highdog:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Milleresque]
    #28514695 - 10/22/23 08:44 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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Oh well, prine minister Albanese  is off to Washington to receive his orders. Nothing to see here.




Yeah, off to be fed the latest Washington talking points which he will believe and repeat without hesitation, except for the crap they made up and told him is classified.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28526991 - 11/02/23 07:07 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

So can somebody explain to me how ranked choice voting in Australia doesn’t give you more than two choices?

Because that really irritated me the other day when somebody told me that.

Please weigh in and tell us what went wrong with your rank choice voting system.
What you would fix about it if you could.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28527299 - 11/02/23 11:43 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

It gives you the choice of who ever is on the board, and if the person you vote as number 1 doesn't have the votes to become a majority, then your vote goes towards the candidate selected as number 2 and so on.

It means that your vote counts even if the candidate you initially voted for doesn't gave enough to win a majority.

There is nothing wrong with a ranked choice voting system, there's only something wrong in not having such a system.


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