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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27476813 - 09/21/21 10:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not trying to solve corruption, because I consider corruption to be unsolvable. It's just not going to happen.

I'm trying to dilute the decision making of each individual that makes decisions. It has nothing to do with corruption.

And again, I consider money, fame, and votes to be interchangeable.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #27477304 - 09/21/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Campaign finance reforms about it really.

Depends whose in power when you make more officials right? Still not sure how more people really changes anything but seems like the kind of thing of side would use to stack the odds in their favour.

It's a new idea at least:thumbup:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27477329 - 09/21/21 06:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Campaign finance reform only fixes one sort of corruption, i.e. that of money. There are other forms of corruption. Favors, paid dinners, sex, guns, drugs, etc. You cannot stop all corruption. Who was that one Russian NRA chick? Marina Butira or something? That's a possible form of corruption, which is essentially untraceable: customized significant others. This is why corruption cannot be stopped. It operates by basic biological impulses. The only way to stop corruption would be for officeholders to stop being biological humans.

More people dilutes the power of each individual. Since corruption requires the corruption of individuals, this dilutes the power of corruption. Ideally, you'd have so many people making decisions that it is not profitable to corrupt enough of them to matter, but this is impossible.

Next best thing is having a massive group to make corruption less profitable.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #27478352 - 09/22/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Favours for money, e.g. quid pro quo is a big one.

Paid dinners for access is horrible too.

Drugs sex and weapons you don't hear as much about in Aus and US but I'm sure it has some influence.

In Cartel areas it may play more of a role.

But like weapons in the US goes to political donations too, because lobbyists for the military industrial complex pay politicians to keep wars going and contracts flowing.

And drugs, take price gouging for example, the US government at least won't change drug price laws because again pharmaceutical lobbyists lobby them not to change the pricing laws, plus there was the whole opiod issue that companies keep getting sued billions for.

At least Australia doesn't have the price gouging issue and Medicare is decent for the moment, but with the betrayal France feels and NATO is seeing from Australia, it's hard to trust Aus pollies for sure.

They told France the morning of that the submarine deal was fine and could go to the next phase before letting them know in the afternoon it was changed!

Less dark money and more transparency wouldn't stop corruption but would increase public pressure.

Often the culture of a company or corporation leads to the decisions that result in corruption so more people equals less corruption.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27478586 - 09/22/21 06:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Byrain]
    #27478684 - 09/22/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, is not a good idea to gather in big groups to protest a lockdown caused by doing things like gathering in big groups.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27478694 - 09/22/21 07:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Another super spreader event cool.
If only that damn virus would mutate a little faster.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27478754 - 09/22/21 08:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Yep, is not a good idea to gather in big groups to protest a lockdown caused by doing things like gathering in big groups.




I don't see how shooting them will make it better. This will only create further distrust.

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Another super spreader event cool.
If only that damn virus would mutate a little faster.




How about blowdarts? Just load up some vaccine into blowguns and take them down like wild game?

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Byrain]
    #27479035 - 09/23/21 04:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

When you start pissing on a ww2 monument things tend to get a lil heated.

I'm not happy the police decided to use force, and I'm not happy people hosted a super spreader event to stop the lockdown but I have heard that the protest in Sydney or Melbourne a few weeks ago has organisational roots in a German conspiracy group.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/27/who-behind-australia-anti-covid-lockdown-protest-march-rallies-sydney-melbourne-far-right-and-german-conspiracy-groups-driving-protests

Sounds like a reddit thread lead to Australian anti lockdown protests cus people like to watch shit burn if it's not in their country.

But your blowdarts idea! Wowee that's a good one, let the hunt begin! :thumbup:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27483452 - 09/27/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

There's a difference between protesting and vandalism with violence.

The people caught in their cars as that crowd moved between them stomping on cars would've been terrified.

If you think back to previous union marches this sort of shit doesn't happen. It wasn't led by the CFMEU it was led by a group of fucking idiots that are scared of needles.

This protest had next to zero public support, unlike most unionised protests where a reasonable % of the public understand and sympathise with the protest... not this time.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27483575 - 09/27/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Saying that a protest has "zero public support" seems a bit oxymoronic.

At minimum, the paid actors participating support it.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #27483911 - 09/27/21 01:29 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I said "next to zero"

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27484401 - 09/27/21 09:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It certainly wasn't a million people.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27484542 - 09/27/21 10:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think the CFMEU has around 30 000 members in Victoria.

The crowd that trashed the union office was around 500. Not all the dickheads that attended were CFMEU members, so about 1.5% were in favour of no vaccines.

What’s really got people pissed is the construction industry has been one of the few industries to remain open while others have done the right thing and suffered financially.

These people have few friends after the protest turned ugly.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27484868 - 09/28/21 08:59 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

To be fair, the Australian construction industry needs to be open 25/8 if people want to ever own a house again.

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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27485566 - 09/28/21 06:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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There's a difference between protesting and vandalism with violence.




Do you have a source? I have only seen cops beating up on disabled people, old people, shooting rubber bullets and attacking non-violent protesters. Some of these which weren't even protesters...

Here is a long testimonial from someone that claims he was not a protestor, but simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Byrain]
    #27486473 - 09/29/21 02:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

That guy certainly has a case against the cops. I’ve had similar happen to me and its totally  wrong and unacceptable.
Similar to the people that had their cars stomped on. There’s footage on YouTube.
Both scenarios are unacceptable.

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    #27491814 - 10/04/21 06:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Asante]
    #27507384 - 10/17/21 12:54 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Forget about the submarines... wassat? everybody already has?... well that's good then, so listen up!

THE MURDOCH MEDIA IN AUSTRALIA HAVE CHANGED THEIR POSITION ON CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL... don't make me say it again it's true!
Did Jerry Hall stop sucking Rupert's dick until he changed the orders? I'm fucked if I know why he did it, don't ask questions just, I dunno? Just enjoy the unthinkable :super:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/news-corp-climate-change.html

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/the-damascene-conversion-of-news-corp-australia-20211011-p58z2w

https://junkee.com/news-corp-australia-climate-change/311290


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27507399 - 10/17/21 01:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/26/i-havent-even-begun-to-fight-matt-canavan-to-defy-nationals-party-room-if-majority-back-net-zero

The (conservative) Liberal/National Party coalition government are about to have the biggest shit fight we're likely to see for a long time, guaranteed :super:

The Liberal MP's are getting pressure from their affluent inner city constituents who DON'T hold the same climate scepticism as the government. This is EXACTLY how Tony Abott was finally fucked off out of Federal politics when Zali Steggel kicked his arse last election, over climate change, so they're worried.

The National Party have become strange bedfellows with the coal mining industry so they are NOT going to budge on any policy that looses coal jobs.

I hope the Liberals and the Nationals murder each other over this :super: as they've BOTH been THE problem with Australia's piss weak carbon emission targets.

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