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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28504737 - 10/14/23 07:19 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Yeah but who in their right mind would want to enter into a contract, any contract, without full disclosure?  :shrug:

I'm glad the referendum was called before Queensland's vote tally was counted, I'm tired of being labelled a redneck because we don't agree with the woke views of inner city Sydney & Melbourne.

Over 80% voted NO in my electorate, exactly the same % as Putin's approval rating with Russians

:allrightythen:







Honestly your first line is a fair point, because the lack of information really is like asking people to enter into a contract without full disclosure.

That said, I don't see how you could know what the woke views are if there's no information about them..


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28504767 - 10/14/23 07:35 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I was watching the voting tally for greater Sydney last night, all the affluent suburbs, traditional Liberal seats like Abbott's old seat of Warringah voted Yes, but regional Sydney voted No.
This was mostly the case in Hobart and Melbourne as well.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28504791 - 10/14/23 08:02 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Rural people are usually quite conservative, it's like how in the US the cities vote democratic while rural areas go Republican.

The voice probably would have helped rural people more than anyone else too.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505119 - 10/15/23 05:17 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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I live in the Florida state of Queensland  :shrug:

Was there much media reporting on this in your part of the world gww? And if so what was the general take on the No outcome?




Curious on the Florida comparison?
Beaches and tourists?
Extreme political pushback against woke?
Last team to go undefeated?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28505146 - 10/15/23 06:17 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Beaches, tourists and retirees Brian.

I'll just add New South Wales has the nicest beaches out of all the states.

The crocodiles start around here in Hervey Bay, maybe a little further north, but don't tell the tourists.



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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505328 - 10/15/23 10:12 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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I live in the Florida state of Queensland  :shrug:

Was there much media reporting on this in your part of the world gww? And if so what was the general take on the No outcome?



The only place I have seen this topic is your conversation on it.  I don't have cable and get most of my news as well as any tv on what pops up on you tube which probably reflects things I have already watched.  But nada here.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: gww] * 1
    #28505373 - 10/15/23 10:50 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

SG is trying to gate keep the conversation.  By his logic, he should fuck off in any topic not involving Australia in a significant capacity, such as the Ukraine War, Israel-Palestine conflict (soon to be war?), Trump, Biden, US senators, and US representatives et.al.  Since SG does not, you should not.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #28505706 - 10/15/23 03:18 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Since every response I make is usually initiated by some recent comment that perked my interest, whether I stay true to any topic will be pretty unlikely as I really only notice what perked my interest. 
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #28505732 - 10/15/23 03:38 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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SG is trying to gate keep the conversation.  By his logic, he should fuck off in any topic not involving Australia in a significant capacity, such as the Ukraine War, Israel-Palestine conflict (soon to be war?), Trump, Biden, US senators, and US representatives et.al.  Since SG does not, you should not.




Yeah I probably should... nah just kidding, I love paying out on the stupid shit the U.S. government does.

This may come as a surprise to you but the Australian government has given a bucket load of money and equipment to Ukraine, to pay for a war which your pathetic, criminal, lying, fucked up government helped set in motion.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505736 - 10/15/23 03:40 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

:maybe:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28505784 - 10/15/23 04:15 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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The voice probably would have helped rural people more than anyone else too.




Who knows what it was supposed to do :shrug: I know it pissed a lot of people off.

I was reading a bit on the '67 referendum and came away thinking the government should have proposed an extra indigenous Senate seat for each State and Territory. At least people understand those words.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28505879 - 10/15/23 06:19 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Without dead specifics, which is pretty bad to be the case, it's hard to know what people were pissed at outside of speculation. The one nation shit was made up.

The concept of an indigenous voice to parliament doesn't piss me off in the slightest, given it had no proposed power to enact anything.

I'd be pissed at the lack of specificity, not the proposal of a voice itself.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28505887 - 10/15/23 06:25 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Yes all the points you listed as well as the money that was wasted.

I think my idea is reasonable, not that it really matters now.

Silver lining is now that the issue reached fever pitch the Labor Party will be compelled to do more, which isn't a bad outcome.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505889 - 10/15/23 06:27 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

How much money was wasted?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28505903 - 10/15/23 06:36 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)



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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505935 - 10/15/23 07:07 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

Haha yeah well if that numbers true it's something to be pissed about because they could have addressed rural issues without it. Or addressed rural issues with that money! F***! 

I mean military spending is still worse but that kind of money could have made an actual difference somewhere.

To bad we don't have any politicians in our capitalistic world, just shadow legislators guised as corporations giving dough to dipshits.

But hey, if their pockets are full they're the ones laughing.. 

The cost of the referendum would have solved the rural issues it hoped to address omfg :lol:

And where does the cost even come from, all the ballot operators are volunteers!


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28505977 - 10/15/23 07:46 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

It’s an eye watering sum alright and I agree it could’ve built a lot of housing, amongst other things.

I’m guessing (some) of the money went on politicians and their helpers flying all over the country talking shit.

Plus advertising which was light on detail and heavy on virtue signalling to make everyone feel like a racist if they didn’t vote yes.

Plus pencils and paper for the vote


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28505981 - 10/15/23 07:53 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

That's in line with the rough cost of an election in Australia. Looks like the 2022 elections for the house and half senate cost 522m, 2019 elections ran 372m, 2016 elections rand 286m...

Actually, looks like it was cheaper than an election.

Looks like a portion of that money went to registering voters, healthcare for indigenous people, and about half went into a contingency fund for cost overruns.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #28506002 - 10/15/23 08:10 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

And they decided to spend that few hundred million dollars on a referendum rather than by allocating it directly towards issues for aboriginal and torrestraite people in rural communities, to help the community of the area as a whole.

Whatever this election was, I'm sure plenty of us can agree that rural communities across Australia could benefit from basic development, and the cost of the referendum outweighs any minor trial they could have attempted to accomplish in those communities with something like more jobs for mental health workers in those regions. Investing in that kind of development. Every state but Canberra has rural communities.

I don't think it was ever about addressing the issues of aboriginal and torres straight individuals in rural areas alone, because with some of the issues going on that lead youth to purger the environment like domestic violence at home, some councelling or psychiatric allocations could be benefiticial to advertising in rural regions. To give rural communities as a whole, more support.

When was the last time Australia gave to its own rural communities?

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Of the $560.0 million over 4 years Support for Community Sector Organisations measure, the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) receives $47.5 million per year (p. 84). This funding, which community groups can apply for ‘on merit’, seeks to mitigate rising costs such as inflation and wage pressures.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReviewOctober202223/Indigenous_affairs#:~:text=Of%20the%20%24560.0%20million%20over,as%20inflation%20and%20wage%20pressures.




This referendum cost 7.67x the annual budget of the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA).


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28506034 - 10/15/23 08:27 PM (3 months, 11 days ago)

So, a portion of the cost of the referendum went to healthcare for aboriginal communities.

But more broadly: Is your argument that democracy is too expensive? Perhaps...Australia should just not have elections, or referendums. I mean, the last vote cost 522m. Half a billion dollars. That half billion could have been spent elsewhere, if the election was simply cancelled, and the people in charge remained in charge. Then they could, say, name their successors. Or, maybe, to remove favoritism, maybe have their kids just take the role? After all, their kids will be exposed to statecraft at a very young age, it makes sense, they'd have the most leadership experience.

I think it's a good way to save money. I mean, 360m...that's like, 0.07% of the annual budget.


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