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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
#28503683 - 10/13/23 07:43 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: So... Australia is voting to recognize indigenous people, and you're saying that the right thing to do is to prevent the indigenous people from having a say in government.
Nice. Very reminiscent of a certain other situation, where a bunch of people didn't have any say in the cololonial government that ruled them. That led to a whole lotta dead people, lol.
They'll find their voice, seems like they'll have to make you recognize it.
The "No" campaign is also telling people to vote for the status quo, so that they can make changes after the vote keeps the status quo in place. 
No I'm saying I'm not voting to install another layer of government.
We already have indigenous members in parliament. We have an indigenous Minister for the Indigenous!
I want to see indigenous people's lives improved and this woke crap won't do it.
There is no way the Australian people will vote for bad policy, and plenty of indigenous people agree that this is bad policy.
Watch that video interview above of Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price from Alice Springs above, she'll set you straight.
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The voice doesn't do anything. It's a voice, oooh scary! People other than big business can have their 2c heard by the government, oh nooo!
I voted yes but I think it's all a joke because it does nothing economically for me and shows how conservative and fearful some people are of a big can of nothing.
I'd rather vote yes or no on politicians wearing the logo of their donors on their coats like NASCAR.
It comes off as a pointless distraction too me, and the actual information surrounding it has been abysmal. I listen to the radio a lot and haven't heard shit other than indigenous people reading poetry and saying that if it isn't a yes vote the constitution won't be changed, like no shit!
I was tempted to vote no because of how poor the info was but I know the voice has no actual power and I'm not scared of my own shadow.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503749 - 10/13/23 08:33 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Once another layer of government, and that's what this is, is set up there's no undoing it.
Saying people are scared of their own shadow is belittling and untruthful.
Bad legislation is bad legislation, simple as that, which is why the majority will vote No.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503759 - 10/13/23 08:38 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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sudly said:I think it's all a joke because it does nothing economically for me
It wasn't supposed to 'do anything economically' for you
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28503864 - 10/13/23 10:52 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I know it wasn't supposed to do anything economically for us, I just wish that was something we were voting on.
It's an advisory board. What's to argue against that?
If someone's scared of an advisory board that's pretty low, especially when it doesn't disparage anyone.
It wasn't going to take farmers land, it wasn't going to pay off all aboriginals or anything, it doesn't have any power and being fearful of the lies around it is being afraid of a shadow that isn't there.
I think I'm disappointed how that point wasn't harped on, and instead it was poetry and simply making the issues go away by making a constitutional change.
I didn't hear any substance on the radio and had to look it up myself. And this shit has been going on for a year!
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] 1
#28503882 - 10/13/23 11:15 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I didn’t know sudly was Australian! Hey from northern NSW.
But like stable I voted no. I’m a stickler for equality under the law and in political representation, and to be fair giving ANY group of people an extra “say” over anyone else, is entirely unfair. Some (not me) might even think it’s a little racist.
Those of indigenous heritage have the same vote and say as anyone else does. They have the same right to be fucked over, lied to and led along by the people they vote to represent their political and social standings like anyone else.
I hope it fails. Nothing against people with indigenous personhood (one of my good friends has that kind of ancestry and he voted no for the same reasons)—but we are all equally able to equally state what we’d like to see in this country.
It was a bad idea. And it’s only created division when we are all Australian and all free to do what we’re told by our glorious and faithful and fearless “leaders”.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Milleresque]
#28503895 - 10/13/23 11:52 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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We already have political representation, and again, the voice is only an advisory board.
Have you heard anything the advisory board might actually talk about? I haven't, and that's an absolute failure of media and the government to inform the public.
It's proposed as a voice for issues that particularly effect aboriginal people, especially in rural areas.
When the aboriginal population is 3%, and they're living quite rural a lot of the time, there's isn't much to be heard about what different struggles are faced there.
Honestly, if the voice talked about reparations, giving back land or that sort, then it could git. If it's talking about water access, schooling and safety in rural communities, then I'm all for it.
Maybe if they called it the voice of rural lands we'd be getting somewhere, but the fact they didn't does raise eyebrows.
There's no place for the voice in inner city life, but I do believe it could be interesting to see if it focused on rural living, which it apparently would.
If the voice is something you'd like to say caused division among people, then spoilers, there was already division in place. And talking about it just put a spotlight on some of the issues.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503958 - 10/14/23 02:31 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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With the vote in Victoria,Tasmania and now South Australia decided the referendum has produced a NO vote.
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Australia was saved from nothing happening! woop de doo, now lets get donor badges on our politicians coats!!!
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Milleresque]
#28503964 - 10/14/23 02:47 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Milleresque said: But like stable I voted no. I’m a stickler for equality under the law and in political representation, and to be fair giving ANY group of people an extra “say” over anyone else, is entirely unfair. Some (not me) might even think it’s a little racist.
Those of indigenous heritage have the same vote and say as anyone
I hope it fails. Nothing against people with indigenous personhood (one of my good friends has that kind of ancestry and he voted no for the same reasons)—but we are all equally able to equally state what we’d like to see in this country.
It was a bad idea. And it’s only created division
Exactly.
This has been a huge failure which needs to sit squarely at the feet of the Labor Party. It was badly put together, badly communicated and flimsy on detail, the majority of Australians want to see change but this wasn’t it.
Saying that there is NOTHING stopping them putting forward policy ideas and consulting with Indigenous leaders to improve indigenous outcomes.
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I was pretty annoyed at them trying to lay this at the feet of the people, and this was horribly communicated with absolute flimsyness on detail so I have 0 suprise on these results.
Just put in rural water, education and health programs and see where that goes I'd say.
Honestly, no one gives a shit about poetry when you're looking at unleaded above $2.30 and consistently above inflation price increases.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503980 - 10/14/23 03:18 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yes I agree, it was no surprise it failed.
The remoteness of the communities is in itself a huge problem. Even trying to get nurses, doctors, teachers, trades people etc etc to work in Alice Springs for example, which is a decent size town, is a never ending problem, let alone the smaller communities.
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Not once in several hours of radio did I hear about what aboriginal community specific issues the voice was intended to address. This was mostly on abc RN, the ones sort of supposed to be communicating this stuff too.
Water access, power, postal services, internet, community support, job seeking, alcohol and drug abuse, domestic violence, food access etc, I've heard nada.
I still reckon this whole voice thing has been a ploy to distract from real issues, I also keep hearing adds for coal n shit too, like I've heard way more about frikin coal than what the voice actually would bring up 
I wanted to know what propositions the voice would bring to parliament, because I DON'T KNOW!!
Wtf would the voice have proposed to parliament, anyone?
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503985 - 10/14/23 03:47 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Good points 
I worked on the construction of a rehab unit for petrol sniffers on the Alice Springs jail site. The padded cells were confronting. The opening scene of Samson and Delilah shows the main character waking up reaching for a bottle of petrol, that's reality in central Australia. The petrol bowsers at service stations have padlocks on them, I shit you not. Violence is off the chart. Kids roam the streets and get into mischief because it's safer than staying at home.
The hopelessness of living like some sort of anthropological exhibit needs to be addressed. There is no future for these people living like this.
Listening to this Voice garbage just made me angry.
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It would have been nice just to hear proposals for rural issues..
I know that if you see a coke bottle with yellow stuff in it, someone was sniffing it.
It'd be ironic if we start hearing proposals now after the fact, proposals that didn't need to have a referendum to be implemented in the first place, just the political will of those in power to act upon.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28503991 - 10/14/23 04:06 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yes exactly, we didn't need to go through this charade to help improve a clearly disadvantaged people's circumstances.
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but it would have been interesting to see happen because obviously the pollies can't be fucked to do it themselves.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28504616 - 10/14/23 06:06 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah but who in their right mind would want to enter into a contract, any contract, without full disclosure? 
I'm glad the referendum was called before Queensland's vote tally was counted, I'm tired of being labelled a redneck because we don't agree with the woke views of inner city Sydney & Melbourne.
Over 80% voted NO in my electorate, exactly the same % as Putin's approval rating with Russians

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80 percent, that's about about the percentage that votes republican in my county. Of course they all drive to the democratic areas for their jobs due to the better pay. Anything democratic on the ballot on state wide referendum usually brings that down to 70 percent and the referendums usually pass at around 2/3rd for. Things like stopping right to work and min wage increase. Some times makes me think, what are they thinking normally.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: gww]
#28504665 - 10/14/23 06:42 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I live in the Florida state of Queensland 
Was there much media reporting on this in your part of the world gww? And if so what was the general take on the No outcome?
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