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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28494069 - 10/06/23 02:20 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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The gullibility to believe in a reeducation camp for a million people is priceless




I agree it sounds a bit far fetched, glad to see you're not as stupid as you make out.




It brings a smile to my face to see you for you.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28494222 - 10/06/23 08:56 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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Looks like he ran out of the wherewithal and the capacity to respond in a critical manner blah blah, blah blah.

Oh well, in summary
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The (Uyghurs For Sale) ASPI report was not a work of scholarly analysis but rather a piece of strategic disinformation to exact harm.
What ASPI has done should be a scandal that grabs the world’s attention to the same degree as when Ms Xu captured the world’s attention with her-heroes-tale.




:hatsoff:



Good job posting a random unattributed quote when responding to me about a report I never linked nor discussed. Since you have nothing to say with regards the select committee report that I did link, I'll assume you have no rebuttals and accept it in its entirety.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #28498382 - 10/10/23 01:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Finally got some time to read through that report you linked a bit.  Initial impressions, you are worse at excusing crimes against humanity than FW is, that's saying something.  You guys find a report that is about a topic, then in part or in its entirety, misrepresent it, hoping no one investigates and that dupes do not challenge you or better yet, take your word for what the report says as truth.  That said, only the most retarded retard would take your word as truth.  Once a liar, always a liar.




Why do you feel the need to behave like a grub almost every time you post?


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The report

2nd page of the document is a disclaimer basically saying "don't let people like SG misrepresent this as a position or conclusion of the US government"

Off to a rocky start SG




Lol where did I basically say this was a "position or conclusion of the US government"
Is that it? That's how you're 'debunking' this by pointing out it's an interim report as opposed to a final report? That's it? You'll need to do a lot better than that bud.

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Page 3, executive summary refutes SG's entire use of this report.  SG has upheld this report to say the ongoing Uyghur genocide is some sort of training and jobs initiative.  Laughable on its face.

"This report was prepared in response to a request from the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission for a study on China’s efforts to combat terrorism. It analyzes (1) China’s evolving
definition and perception of its terrorist threat, (2) China’s strategy and policies for combating
terrorism, (3) the institutional infrastructure that executes China's counterterrorism policies, (4)
China’s evolving approach to international cooperation in counterterrorism, and (5) the
opportunities for, and challenges of, U.S.-China cooperation on countering terrorism."



And you call me a liar? Ffs

The 5 main points I listed as China's strategy for dealing with their domestic terrorism problem were
*Strengthening counterterrorism legislation
*Expanding the counterterrorism bureaucracy
*Increasing law enforcement operations in Xinjiang
*Promoting economic growth and other development initiatives in Xinjiang
*Promoting ethnic unity and combating religious extremism.

Nowhere, did I "uphold this report to say the ongoing Uyghur genocide is some sort of training and jobs initiative". How you dreamt that up is beyond me, and what you said doesn't even make sense.

'Refutes my entire use of the report' :burke: man that's funny.

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This report is entirely an analysis on the China's response in the years before 2016, to several domestic terrorism incidents and how this effects bilateral trade between US and China.  This makes sense because the purpose of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission is to monitor, investigate, and submit to congress an annual report on the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship between the United States and the People’s Republic of China, and to provide recommendations, where appropriate, to Congress for legislative and administrative action.  That means this using this report to make any judgements on the Uyghur genocide is laughable.  To get those findings, you would need this report:

https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/fast-fashion-and-the-uyghur-genocide-interim-findings.pdf

Debunking your use of this report only took a few pages.




Debunking? :laugh2:  when's the debunking going to start?


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Serious question SG, are you so stupid that you do not understand what this report is saying?  Are you smart enough to know what this report says, but so consumed with the US that you would willingly misrepresent this report to minimize crimes against humanity so as to score points on a shroom forum?  I hope it is the former, not that I have any respect for you, but at least that that is better than the latter.




Like I said earlier, you post like a grub, and the really funny part is you've debunked absolutely zero.

:ahahaha:

I'll have a read through that report you've linked and get back to you later with a response.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28498662 - 10/10/23 10:18 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Keep posting reports that are only tangentially related to the point you are using them to make.  It's dishonest in the extreme.  That is why I post like that, I am sick of wasting time to fact check everything you post.  Either you misunderstand what the report actually says, or you are intentionally being misleading using it as proof for your earlier claims.  I suspect that if I were to impugn your intelligence, you would tell me I am wrong, therefor I can only conclude that you are intentionally misrepresenting it. :shrug:


Q: What does posting like a grub mean?  I have never heard that term, I suspect it to be inflammatory, but it is pretty lame :lol:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #28500484 - 10/11/23 06:10 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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I am sick of wasting time to fact check everything you post. 




So you’re just going to read them and shut up?  Nice  👍 it’ll make my look into the Uyghur genocide fabrication easier to read.

This post from Daniel Dumbrill is a goodie.
Interesting that China didn’t bomb the fuck out of Xinjiang to deal with an Islamic terrorist problem.
https://x.com/danieldumbrill/status/1711568305704796618?s=46


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28500728 - 10/11/23 08:02 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Good for you.  Glad you enjoy posting in an echo chamber with no one challenging you.  There are better places to do that though :shrug:  Perhaps a "Uyghur Muslims are getting a great free education when chained at sewing machine" thread ought to do it.  I guess all those hand written pleas for help people find in shit from China are just a US psyop :sadyes:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #28501036 - 10/11/23 11:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

It rings of when people say slaves learnt life skills by being slaves.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28501249 - 10/12/23 07:05 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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My take on the ‘treatment’ of Aboriginal people?
I’ll just say this, I want Aboriginal people to share in the prosperity Australia has and if you think the upcoming referendum on the Voice will help them achieve this you’re dreaming.
Aboriginal people have serious issues that successive governments, state and federal, have failed to fix.

Virtue signalling white Australian’s living in Sydney Melbourne Brisbane need to spend some time in places like Alice Springs, Tennent Creek, Derby to realise the complexity of the problem and that this feel good Voice idea crap is just that, crap.

There’s already an Aboriginal woman, in the position of ‘Minister for Aboriginal Persons’ in the current federal Labor government!

Now I’ll ask you. Do you think it’s a good idea to keep every Aboriginal person living in squalor in the middle of nowhere like some sort of anthropological attraction where hardly any nurses, doctors, teachers, tradespeople  want to go? Should their children be made to live like this, raised without the chance of anything close to a decent education, normal life skills or job prospects?

This is the real problem and this Voice crap won’t solve it.




Doing more of the same certainly won't solve anything either when - as you rightly said - successive governments have failed to fix things.

And this is where the Voice is different. Finally something that came FROM Aboriginal people FOR Aboriginal people. Years of discussion, planning and community meetings all around Australia from the tropics to the deserts, urban to remote, to find solutions to long-standing problems FROM the grassroots.

Nothing like this has ever been attempted nor achieved. The Uluru Statement From the Heart is unprecedented as it is historically significant.

Will the Voice solve every problem? I highly doubt it. But I will be voting YES because it is a step forward in the right direction.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Warrk]
    #28501304 - 10/12/23 08:00 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

It will achieve nothing more than installing another useless layer of government bureaucracy I'm afraid.

It's window dressing, if it gets up nothing will change, guaranteed.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28501342 - 10/12/23 08:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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It rings of when people say slaves learnt life skills by being slaves.




Slaves! Sounds diabolical  :awesketch:

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Journalist Don DeBar has recently returned from a fact-finding mission to China with former Rep. Cynthia McKinney during which he spent a considerable amount of time interacting with locals in the Xinjiang region. He discovered, much to his surprise, that reports of repression and genocide of the Uyghur minority in Xinjiang appear wildly overstated and do not reflect what he experienced at all.

Guest host Craig “Pasta” Jardula and DeBar discuss specifically what the latter heard from Xinjiang residents about their lives and relationship with the Chinese government.






Watch it if you want or keep maintaining your narrow view of the world  :shrug:

When I'm finished looking through Jaq James work, and Daniel Dumbrills, I'll put something up.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28501988 - 10/12/23 04:58 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

That's what you say but what is your expertise or is this an armchair opinion?

Whether it is useless or not and whether anything will change or not, I think it is fair to say that those who have skin in the game and who designed it have a better idea than anyone of us sniping from the sidelines.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28502071 - 10/12/23 05:54 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Yeah some guy went to north Korea and said the same thing, that they're actually a very generous and prosperous country you know.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28502136 - 10/12/23 06:40 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Don Debar spoke to many Uyghurs and got their take on things.

Jaq James worked in China for a number of years and in a strange twist ended up working for the PLA.

Daniel Dumbrill has been reporting from China for years and is still there.

You’d think maybe one of them saw something.

Are you 100% certain that Uyghur leadership pushing a political agenda have not engaged in any form of deception, and if so what’s your reason for believing their story 100% at face value? 

I think it’s reasonable to not underestimate the U.S. State Department propaganda mill using this to their advantage.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28502378 - 10/12/23 08:25 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

It's actually the Uygher leadership plotting a scheme that they've been encamped.. :rolleyes:

Your admiration for collective punishment is weird.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #28502408 - 10/12/23 08:39 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

So that’s your argument, hanging shit on me?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28502571 - 10/12/23 10:42 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Whats your argument, a million people are having a happy camp, or there's not a million Uyghers in any camp and it's all fake news?


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Warrk]
    #28503388 - 10/13/23 03:10 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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That's what you say but what is your expertise or is this an armchair opinion?

Whether it is useless or not and whether anything will change or not, I think it is fair to say that those who have skin in the game and who designed it have a better idea than anyone of us sniping from the sidelines.




A better idea than any of us? I seriously cannot see how another layer of government bureaucracy is going to change anything.

Why hasn’t anyone been able to articulate a solution then?

That blowhard Noel Pearson, how long has he been around? What’s he achieved? Zero.

Linda Burney, part of the existing Labor government, what’s she achieved? Zero

Marcia Langton? Zero

Lydia Thorpe? Less than zero.

I think Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price is an excellent role model and a thoroughly decent person. She explains the NO case very well if you’re interested.
1 hour till voting starts if you haven’t already voted 👍




Edit Lydia Thorpe not Lydia Price


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28503447 - 10/13/23 03:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

So... Australia is voting to recognize indigenous people, and you're saying that the right thing to do is to prevent the indigenous people from having a say in government.

Nice. Very reminiscent of a certain other situation, where a bunch of people didn't have any say in the cololonial government that ruled them. That led to a whole lotta dead people, lol.

They'll find their voice, seems like they'll have to make you recognize it.

The "No" campaign is also telling people to vote for the status quo, so that they can make changes after the vote keeps the status quo in place. :facepalm:


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28503598 - 10/13/23 06:27 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Australia is an awesome country, with tons of really cool people. I feel like they understand America culturally better than almost anywhere, like American humor and Australian humor are way, way closer than like American and English. Australia is just one of those really great amazing countries, always has been, easily one of like the top 10 greatest countries of all time.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: nooneman]
    #28503616 - 10/13/23 06:43 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I don't know about your post.  When I look at the comedy of pual hoagan and benny hill, they seem to hit all the same boxes.
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