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Hahaha stable you have a mind of wonder.
Yes, I'm the one who supports the idea of rounding up a million people for whatever reason
And now it's concentration camps in the US for covid
Whatever you're on I want some! Although maybe not because it's probably just hate..
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Stable Genius said: 'Rounded them up' and did what exactly?
Gave them vocational and language skills to get a job? Australia orders people into training here if they're unemployed. We demand a certain level of literacy for migrants as well. Are these requirements for a functioning society 'messed up' too?
They're not migrants they've been living there for hundreds of years, well before China invaded their lands.
Does your idea of a school in which to give people vocational and language skills look like forced labor, double ringed barbed wire fences and snipers with orders to shoot any escapees? Because that is exactly what is happening there.
I'd love to hear your take on the treatment of aboriginals in your own country
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
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I didn’t say Uyghurs are migrants. I’m saying that those ‘re education camps’ was China’s way of dealing with a domestic terrorist problem. I’m not buying the idea that 1 million people had a terrible outcome, mass rape, forced sterilisation blah blah blah.
My take on the ‘treatment’ of Aboriginal people? I’ll just say this, I want Aboriginal people to share in the prosperity Australia has and if you think the upcoming referendum on the Voice will help them achieve this you’re dreaming. Aboriginal people have serious issues that successive governments, state and federal, have failed to fix.
Virtue signalling white Australian’s living in Sydney Melbourne Brisbane need to spend some time in places like Alice Springs, Tennent Creek, Derby to realise the complexity of the problem and that this feel good Voice idea crap is just that, crap.
There’s already an Aboriginal woman, in the position of ‘Minister for Aboriginal Persons’ in the current federal Labor government!
Now I’ll ask you. Do you think it’s a good idea to keep every Aboriginal person living in squalor in the middle of nowhere like some sort of anthropological attraction where hardly any nurses, doctors, teachers, tradespeople want to go? Should their children be made to live like this, raised without the chance of anything close to a decent education, normal life skills or job prospects?
This is the real problem and this Voice crap won’t solve it.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Hahaha stable you have a mind of wonder.
Yes, I'm the one who supports the idea of rounding up a million people for whatever reason
And now it's concentration camps in the US for covid
Whatever you're on I want some! Although maybe not because it's probably just hate..
At the bare minimum you’ve got a reading comprehension problem.
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Stable Genius said: I didn’t say Uyghurs are migrants. I’m saying that those ‘re education camps’ was China’s way of dealing with a domestic terrorist problem. I’m not buying the idea that 1 million people had a terrible outcome, mass rape, forced sterilisation blah blah blah.
Anyone who is taken against their will and sent to an internment camp for more or less simply existing has already had a terrible outcome regardless of what happens afterwards.
The question in both situations both with Aboriginal and Uyghurs - is whether people should be granted agency and ability to live their lives as they once did traditionally - without being forced by their respective occupiers to interact with a culture and society they did not invite.
You see Aboriginals living in 'squalor' because they have been uprooted from their traditional ways of life, in which they flourished for 65,000 years - and imposed on them a foreign culture - and placed in the context of a culture that they have no innate way of navigating - against their will.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
#28485032 - 09/27/23 05:42 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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The Uyghurs were sent there for simply existing?… I don’t agree with that but I do get your point, however I’d be looking at how or if the actions of the Chinese government improved the lives of the Uyghurs, instead of virtue signalling, which is what that U.S. funded report from 2016 laid out. I’m not saying it was a perfect policy or even that it’s not an authoritarian policy but what was the outcome. China is not the west, obviously.
There is no way to undo the past and it’s illogical to think that Aboriginal people are somehow better off living in some sort of anthropological time warp just so white people can feel warm and fuzzy in Sydney and Melbourne.
If you want to see the squalor I’m talking about watch Samson and Delilah. There are difficult questions that need to be asked about why people need to live like this. I desperately want to see my aboriginal countrymen and women’s lives improved, I do not have a racist agenda.
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Have you seen the vice docu on the Ugyhyr? It'll give you first hand footage of what is going on there.. the docu itself might've seen some of the people they talked to imprisoned unfortunately - they should've done more to protect their identity
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Finally got some time to read through that report you linked a bit. Initial impressions, you are worse at excusing crimes against humanity than FW is, that's saying something. You guys find a report that is about a topic, then in part or in its entirety, misrepresent it, hoping no one investigates and that dupes do not challenge you or better yet, take your word for what the report says as truth. That said, only the most retarded retard would take your word as truth. Once a liar, always a liar.
The report
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USCC Disclaimer: This research report was prepared at the request of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission to support its deliberations. Posting of the report to the Commission's website is intended to promote greater public understanding of the issues addressed by the Commission in its ongoing assessment of U.S.-China economic relations and their implications for U.S. security, as mandated by Public Law 106-398 and Public Law 113-219. However, it does not necessarily imply an endorsement by the Commission or any individual Commissioner of the views or conclusions expressed in this commissioned research report
2nd page of the document is a disclaimer basically saying "don't let people like SG misrepresent this as a position or conclusion of the US government"
Off to a rocky start SG

Page 3, executive summary refutes SG's entire use of this report. SG has upheld this report to say the ongoing Uyghur genocide is some sort of training and jobs initiative. Laughable on its face.
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This report was prepared in response to a request from the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission for a study on China’s efforts to combat terrorism. It analyzes (1) China’s evolving definition and perception of its terrorist threat, (2) China’s strategy and policies for combating terrorism, (3) the institutional infrastructure that executes China's counterterrorism policies, (4) China’s evolving approach to international cooperation in counterterrorism, and (5) the opportunities for, and challenges of, U.S.-China cooperation on countering terrorism.
This report is entirely an analysis on the China's response in the years before 2016, to several domestic terrorism incidents and how this effects bilateral trade between US and China. This makes sense because the purpose of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission is to monitor, investigate, and submit to congress an annual report on the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship between the United States and the People’s Republic of China, and to provide recommendations, where appropriate, to Congress for legislative and administrative action. That means this using this report to make any judgements on the Uyghur genocide is laughable. To get those findings, you would need this report:
https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/fast-fashion-and-the-uyghur-genocide-interim-findings.pdf
Debunking your use of this report only took a few pages. When FW linked that Syria chem weapon report, I read almost all of it.
Serious question SG, are you so stupid that you do not understand what this report is saying? Are you smart enough to know what this report says, but so consumed with the US that you would willingly misrepresent this report to minimize crimes against humanity so as to score points on a shroom forum? I hope it is the former, not that I have any respect for you, but at least that that is better than the latter.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Have you seen the vice docu on the Ugyhyr? It'll give you first hand footage of what is going on there.. the docu itself might've seen some of the people they talked to imprisoned unfortunately - they should've done more to protect their identity
No I haven’t seen this but I’ll watch it, cheers.
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China is helping the Uygher by rounding a million of them up with positive results! My my, I love how optimistic you are when it comes to these issues.
The voice has no power, I think it'd be interesting to hear more people centred concerns over businesses. Because that's literally all it is, a voice.
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Ice9 said: Serious question SG, are you so stupid that you do not understand what this report is saying?
Yes
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
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Flat out lying to try and win a point, that’s cringeworthy, but not at all surprising. Here’s 4 more reports for you to run your eye over Sherlock, from Jacqueline James, a Supreme Court Lawyer who has made a sport of debunking these junk research articles on the treatment of Uyghurs.
https://www.cowestpro.co/papers.html
Let us know what you find wrong
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I am right on what that report from the US-China council said. I would encourage anyone to read it, to understand the purpose of it, and what it does and does not say. I would also encourage people to read the select committee report I linked. Hell, they can read the additional reports you linked. See the difference between us is, I don't link reports then try to tell others the linked reports support my argument by misrepresenting what those reports say. But please, carry on with your misrepresentations. If I have the wherewithal I will read these new reports you linked in the critical manner you lack the capacity to.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
#28491561 - 10/03/23 11:27 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, the purpose of the report is to put on a robe, fuck a million people and to tell them it's for dedicating themselves to Jesus.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Ice9]
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Ice9 said: If I have the wherewithal I will read these new reports you linked in the critical manner you lack the capacity to. 
I doubt it.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Yeah, the purpose is to put on a robe, fuck a million people and to tell them it's for dedicating themselves to Jesus.

So you don’t have any points worth considering? That’s ok, you don’t look too silly.
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Ice9 said: If I have the wherewithal I will read these new reports you linked in the critical manner you lack the capacity to. 
I doubt it.

Looks like he ran out of the wherewithal and the capacity to respond in a critical manner blah blah, blah blah.
Oh well, in summary
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The (Uyghurs For Sale) ASPI report was not a work of scholarly analysis but rather a piece of strategic disinformation to exact harm. What ASPI has done should be a scandal that grabs the world’s attention to the same degree as when Ms Xu captured the world’s attention with her-heroes-tale.
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The gullibility to believe in a reeducation camp for a million people is priceless. There is no reason to round up a million people, but I love it when you throttle that dick of delusion yo, it tickles me to see.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28494032 - 10/06/23 12:36 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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sudly said: The gullibility to believe in a reeducation camp for a million people is priceless
I agree it sounds a bit far fetched, glad to see you're not as stupid as you make out.
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