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That dude is like Australian Earl Pitts in a suit!
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: mycosis]
#28127581 - 01/06/23 03:30 PM (1 year, 21 days ago) |
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I think my favourite is 2010 when Sam addresses the U.N.
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I had to google that one. Sam Kekovich was hilarious and encouraging that someone of Croation descent (pretty sure) reached that level in Australian politics. It reminded me of when Jesse Jackson read Green Eggs and Ham on Saturday Night Live. White people can rhyme too.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Brian Jones]
#28129451 - 01/07/23 03:25 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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The covid years are clever 2021 2022, managing to pay out on Queensland, Western Australia, Victoria, Tasmania and Sydney
That's what's so powerful about comedy I think as it points out the stupid stuff without causing a fight.
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Interesting article from 9 years ago by John Pilger
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
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The name of "our" enemy has changed over the years, from communism to Islamism, but generally it is any society independent of western power and occupying strategically useful or resource-rich territory, or merely offering an alternative to US domination. The leaders of these obstructive nations are usually violently shoved aside, such as the democrats Muhammad Mossedeq in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile, or they are murdered like Patrice Lumumba in the Democratic Republic of Congo. All are subjected to a western media campaign of vilification – think Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, now Vladimir Putin.
Washington's role in Ukraine is different only in its implications for the rest of us. For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last "buffer state" bordering Russia – Ukraine – is being torn apart by fascist forces unleashed by the US and the EU. We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.
Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev,
Stop right there John! Whatteryamean the U.S. masterminded a coup!? You won't win any friends around here saying stuff like that.
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Russia started a war in Ukraine, then people like you say,
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It's a special operation when referring to Russia's actions. It's war when referring to the US supplying support to Ukraine.
I don't think our 'enemy' is communism or Islam in Australia either, but rather undisclosed donations and lobbying of our politicians from monied special interests.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28323754 - 05/17/23 06:31 PM (8 months, 7 days ago) |
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I agree with the last part of your reply, people like Andrew Hastie for example. https://www.andrewhastie.com.au/ Religious nut, member of the Atlantic Council, STILL a regular visitor to the U.S. that we pay for, where he regularly gets his head filled with shit. Washington loves people like him. I like how Mark McGowan summed him up
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“He swallowed some sort of Cold War pills back … when he was born, and he couldn’t get his mindset out of that.”
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/swallowed-cold-war-pills-mcgowan-caught-in-hot-mic-attack-on-hastie-20230419-p5d1ox
As for the ‘Russia bad’ angle I still don’t understand why on the one hand you see the Biden crime family for what it is but then you become blinkered when it comes to any wrong doing with Ukraine.
But hey whatever, it’s not my job to change your mind.
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I don't think America is justified in any of their illegal and offensive invasions, same goes for Russia.
For you to say something so detached it sad, and sloppy.
I also don't see anything about Hunter if that's what you're referring to by Biden family, just the same status quo, quid pro quo corruption nearly all senators participate in.
Ukraine isn't impervious to such corruption, nor is Russia. None of it justifies military invasions.
You're sick if you think so.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28323949 - 05/17/23 08:20 PM (8 months, 7 days ago) |
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sudly said: None of it justifies military invasions.
You're sick if you think so.
Are American backed coups ok against democratically elected governments?
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America didn't back a coup in Ukraine, there's no evidence of the Maiden sniper conspiracy, and the way in which Yanukovych was ousted doesn't justify aggressive military intervention by Russia.
You spout your bias nonsense and spin in the Ukraine thread, you jackoff to Russian state media and have shit all diversity for sources, and none of it belongs in this thread about Australian politics.
The only relevance I'd see is that our fat cats just promised another few hundred million to the war machine blowing a massive finger to everyone in Australia who could have benefited from those investments.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28324188 - 05/17/23 11:43 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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sudly said: America didn't back a coup in Ukraine
Not only did the US support it, we picked its new leadership. Did you miss the leaked Victoria Nuland tape?!?
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sudly said: The only relevance I'd see is that our fat cats just promised another few hundred million to the war machine blowing a massive finger to everyone in Australia who could have benefited from those investments.
Sucks for all Western countries.
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Dude, this is an old and pathetic attempt.
Nuland shared her political preferences and McCain gave a political speech in support of Ukraine. That isn't inciting a coup.
And you're talking about 2014, the example wherein the way in which Yanukovych was ousted didn't justify a military invasion by Russia.
You've got nothing but rehashing old conspiracies and everyone has pointed out how nonsense they are in the Ukraine thread, and so you've come here to try and spread it, but it's blatant conspiracy mongering.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#28324215 - 05/18/23 12:35 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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sudly said: Nuland shared her political preferences and McCain gave a political speech in support of Ukraine. That isn't inciting a coup.
I said America "backed" the coup. Meaning they didn't tell Ukraine to be democratic and go to the polls, but that violent coups are ok (as long as they install a pro-Western government).
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sudly said: And you're talking about 2014, the example wherein the way in which Yanukovych was ousted didn't justify a military invasion by Russia.
Russia didn't "invade" until 2022. Donbas declared its independence, not wanting to live under an undemocratic Western government, and the Russian military was already in Crimea by agreement.
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sudly said: You've got nothing but rehashing old conspiracies and everyone has pointed out how nonsense they are in the Ukraine thread, and so you've come here to try and spread it, but it's blatant conspiracy mongering.
What's the conspiracy?
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Nuland and McCain voiced support for Ukraine when Yanukovych was killing protestors and implementing new laws on the fly to threaten protestors, that isn't the US backing a coup, that is voicing support for protestors.
And again, the way in which Yanukovych was ousted DOES NOT justify military intervention from Russia.
Donbas was invaded by the Russian military in 2014 wherein the territories Ukranian government was overthrown. You have only tried to minimise Russias military intervention and presence in Donbas during the time.
You consistantly refer to a survey you admitted was not legitimate by providing no methodology and statistically insignificant sample size of 50. You say the people you talked to didn't see an increase in Russian military activity. You only act to minimise that Donbas was militarily overthrown and invaded by the Russian military in 2014.
I've said numerous times before that the military intervention from Russia is the issue of concern, and that if a referendum was held without Russian military intervention, I'd be more in favor of the result.
You minimise Russian military intervention and obfuscate when you're called out on it.
You've been called out by me on the conspiracies you peddle several times in the Ukraine thread, if you've paid any attention or have actually made it worth my time to respond to you by reading what I've written, you know.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] 1
#28324266 - 05/18/23 02:00 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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sudly said: Dude, this is an old and pathetic attempt.
Nuland shared her political preferences and McCain gave a political speech in support of Ukraine. That isn't inciting a coup.
And you're talking about 2014, the example wherein the way in which Yanukovych was ousted didn't justify a military invasion by Russia.
You've got nothing but rehashing old conspiracies and everyone has pointed out how nonsense they are in the Ukraine thread, and so you've come here to try and spread it, but it's blatant conspiracy mongering.
This post of yours is another example of why it's mostly a waste of time arguing with you.
Nuland and McCain giving speeches, blah blah, case closed.
Your arguments are mostly your own smug, smart arsed opinions or nobody Ukrainian mouthpieces.
You choose to ignore any points with any substance and you're unable to acknowledge truths as this would topple your 'Russia bad' narrative, whilst at the same time you have no problem giving the Biden crime family a spray, yet you can't connect any dots anywhere else? Like why? Was Grandad Ukrainian? Aren't you allowed to think anything beyond 1945 for fear of your thoughts offending someone?
If you want to choose to ignore the $5 billion + the NED gave Ukraine before 2014 that went towards buying political clout with ultra Nationalists, propping up their political campaigns, funding the same groups to spread their message through universities, TV stations, social media, leading to these colour revolutions. If you can't understand that this is how these regime change operations are fomented, and you aren't able to admit that Yanukovych was removed undemocratically, and you're unable to acknowledge that Bennet clearly, yes clearly said the west wanted to 'keep smashing Putin' instead of sueing for a ceasefire, and you're unable to acknowledge any ballistic evidence from the Maidan that is worth considering at the very least, and you can't see any reason why the U.S. government would want to weaken their number 1 adversary after they've brought down over 50 other governments and interfered in another 30 foreign elections but not Ukraines, and you'd rather get your information from western news outlets that parrot U.S. propaganda, then go ahead, push back as much as you like, believe your own arguments, just don't expect me to waste my time arguing dumb shit, I've got better things to do.
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sudly said: You've been called out by me on the conspiracies you peddle several times in the Ukraine thread
Declaring yourself a winner AGAIN!
Your obnoxious arrogance is off the chart.
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sudly said: you jackoff to Russian state media and have shit all diversity for sources, and none of it belongs in this thread about Australian politics.
This is the sort of crap I'm talking about right here. Who the fuck are you to be ordering other people to not to participate in this thread? Go read the first post in this thread, then do the right thing and apologise for behaving like a bad mannered, rude, keyboard warrior.
You and I both know you don't have the balls to say this to anyone in real life.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27271161#27271161
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Russia, USA, and lot of other countries bad, quid pro quo is my political nightmare.
Have fun with your connect the dots Stable.
Your Nuland conspiracy is blatant.
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The claim is rooted in a December 2013 speech by Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation, a non-governmental agency that promotes democracy in the former Soviet republic.
Nuland had returned days earlier from her third trip to Ukraine in five weeks to assess the protests over President Viktor Yanukovych’s policies to move away from the European Union, she said.
She made clear the United States supported the protesters’ fight and spoke of how she met with Yanukovych, pressing him to end the pushback from Ukrainian security forces because it is "absolutely impermissible in a European state, in a democratic state."
She described how American taxpayer money has supported Ukraine’s democratic development despite the country’s challenges.
"Since Ukraine's independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations," she said. "We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine."
Her eight-minute speech (video) attracted little to no media attention.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/
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This is a recurring narrative that Ukraine is influenced by the West, and Maidan in 2014 was a coup d'etat, planned by the West.
This claim is linked to a statement by former US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland in late 2013. Then she said that the United States has invested $5 billion in more than 20 years to develop democratic processes and reforms in Ukraine. The diplomat said that this is the total amount of assistance that Washington has allocated to Ukraine after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Money was allocated for fair elections, to fight corruption and to develop the energy sector. Victoria Nuland later frequently repeated these theses, including in various interviews.
Ukraine has defined her foreign policy orientation with Euro-Atlantic integration as a key component and the EU also welcomes Ukraine's aim and has agreed an Association Agreement (AA) and a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA) boosting the opportunities for trade and investments. See details about the loans on favourable terms (€1.2 billion), Support programmes (€11 billion during 2014-2020), Macro-financial assistance (more than €3.8 billion) and autonomous trade measures and other elements here.
Additionally, there was no coup, let alone Western-sponsored coup, in Ukraine seven years ago. The demonstrations which began in Kyiv in November 2013 – called "Maidan", or "Euromaidan" – were a result of the Ukrainian people's frustration with former President Yanukovych's last-minute U-turn when, after seven years of negotiation, he refused to sign the EU–Ukraine Association Agreement and halted progress towards Ukraine's closer relationship with the EU.
See similar stories that the US sponsored Maidan in Ukraine in 2014, that the US intervened in Ukraine, which resulted in Ukraine's split and civil war, and that the US supported the 2014 coup d'état in Ukraine.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-west-funded-the-ukrainian-coup-with-5-billion
In real life there are polite emails.
Nuland is a diplomat, she talks and negotiates, she doesn't make orders.
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sudly said: None of it justifies military invasions.
You're sick if you think so.
Are American backed coups ok against democratically elected governments?
I said I don't think America is justified in any of their illegal and offensive invasions, same goes for Russia.
The USA didn't do this, and lying about it doesn't justify Russias military invasion.
You are lying about the US backing a coup in Ukraine.
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#28324288 - 05/18/23 02:33 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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Instead of behaving like a pompous twat and you're serious about your disgust for Australia being another puppet state of the U.S. send an email or letter to the Senate inquiry into these bloody nuclear submarines.
You can shoot your big mouth off in the right direction for a change and do something useful. I'm not holding my breath though.
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