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Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] 1
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sudly said: It isn't clear to me yet whether she advised him or not but it certainly isn't out of the question. At the very least it seems she knew what he was doing and went out of her way to place an embargo on the situation.
To say she knew what he was doing doesn't really make sense though when Kerr said he purposely did not tell her what he planned to do.
Also from your link, and thanks for looking into that 
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In 1991, the access period was brought forward to 2027 on the Queen’s instruction
Like ok that put's her at 101 but it also demonstrates she tried to change quite a few of the protocols she was stuck with, like not having to pay tax for example, she chose to start paying tax in 1993, nobody asked her to.
Visiting Northern Ireland and laying a wreath at the Irish War Memorial, I bet she would have been advised to NOT do that, but she did, and she visited Northern Ireland 20 times throughout her lifetime. Sinn Fein stalwarts Mary Lou McDonald and Jerry Adams offered condolences when she died!
The Queen had some balls as well as wisdom and courage. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.
I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.
What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead] 2
#27984575 - 10/06/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
I don't think it's "authoritarian politics" anyone finds enticing. It's a refreshing breath of honesty and common sense.
I considered myself liberal, but liberals in the US have become the party of war, censorship, and make believe.
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That's an oddly hypocritical thing to hear someone say after just witnessing Russia start a war and wondering if China supports them or not .
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#27984603 - 10/06/22 12:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The war started in 2014. The US has been setting Ukraine up for a larger war ever since.
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.
I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.
What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen 
Right what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?
Your own country knows what's up
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/australia-treasurer-plans-trade-outreach-to-slip-china-coercion
The more China expands its influence in the region, the more it will seek to bend countries behest to it - to its will.
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
I don't think it's "authoritarian politics" anyone finds enticing. It's a refreshing breath of honesty and common sense.
I considered myself liberal, but liberals in the US have become the party of war, censorship, and make believe.
IMO it's not honesty or common sense. For some, it's a refreshingly different version of the complete bullshit propaganda that every powerful country spews, and it carries more weight because they're powerful countries.
In the U.S. there is no partisanship on the issues of war, censorship, and make believe. Trump was maybe a couple percent better on war, and took make believe to such an extreme that it may have made even a semblance of truth irrelevant. I'll grant you that the liberals might be worse on censorship now, but that's an issue that requires analysis. Liberals inhibit and sometimes ban public speech. Conservatives want to prevent school children from having any exposure whatsoever, from books or teachers on certain subjects. On both sides the right or wrong, or appropriateness for children, should be determined on a case by case basis.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
#27986251 - 10/07/22 11:16 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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twighead said: what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?
That's ancient history. That's like saying people should never align themselves with the US because we once used nuclear weapons on Japan.
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
I don't think it's "authoritarian politics" anyone finds enticing. It's a refreshing breath of honesty and common sense.
I considered myself liberal, but liberals in the US have become the party of war, censorship, and make believe.
That’s a hell of a self own
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twighead said:
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Stable Genius said:
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.
I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.
What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen 
Right what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?
Your own country knows what's up
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/australia-treasurer-plans-trade-outreach-to-slip-china-coercion
The more China expands its influence in the region, the more it will seek to bend countries behest to it - to its will.
Little known fact: Chinese communists invented violent revolution and the concept of geopolitics. That’s why they continue to wage wars like madmen all over the planet, killing millions of innocent people for no other reason than to stem the spread of an ideology hostile to theirs.
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twighead said: what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?
That's ancient history. That's like saying people should never align themselves with the US because we once used nuclear weapons on Japan.
If it was 50 million Japanese they had killed it wouldn't even be as bad as what they did to their own countrymen (considering the toll of WW2 on them) - it's unequivocal.
The party that initiated it is the one still in power, and still follows the same ideology.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
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twighead said:
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.
I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.
What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen 
Right what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?
Your own country knows what's up
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/australia-treasurer-plans-trade-outreach-to-slip-china-coercion
The more China expands its influence in the region, the more it will seek to bend countries behest to it - to its will.
Little known fact: Chinese communists invented violent revolution and the concept of geopolitics. That’s why they continue to wage wars like madmen all over the planet, killing millions of innocent people for no other reason than to stem the spread of an ideology hostile to theirs.
Their power is still rising - I would look at how they treat their own to get an idea of how they will treat others when they are able to.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
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Yeah I’ll ask Adrian Zenz what he thinks about it so I make sure I get an objective analysis.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: If it was 50 million Japanese they had killed it wouldn't even be as bad as what they did to their own countrymen (considering the toll of WW2 on them) - it's unequivocal.
I wasn't calling the events equivocal. I was calling them ancient history.
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twighead said: The party that initiated it is the one still in power, and still follows the same ideology.
The Chinese are killing millions?!?!? Source, or make believe?
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Is it true that they set up covid concentration camps in Australia?
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: 336]
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typical.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: 336]
#27987510 - 10/08/22 04:29 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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More excellent reporting on the state of affairs from The Australian Citizens Party.
If you have the time listen from the 27.28 mark to a well informed analysis of the dire position of Europe's economy which ties in with a brilliant breakdown of why Australia SHOULD NOT be supporting the Nazi regime in Kiev as well as why the U.S. is breaking it's own laws by backing a state that has a sponsored hit list on it's own citizens.
They cover a LOT of ground in this report. These guys and girls rock 
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twighead said: Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.
If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.
I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.
What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen 
I'd be careful of introducing a neutrality bias here. Every political party has a range of good to okay and poor or bad policies they put forward.
The priorities of the policies each party puts forward are usually clear to see, all though sometimes in hindsight because there are trends of putting lipstick on policies when it comes to representing them on tv stage.
Admittedly when it comes to China all I really know is they tend to use economic colonialism over classic colonialism.
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