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I feel like dropping this in the Ukraine thread but will put it here instead.
The Liberal Party were unfazed as they watched our car manufacturing industry shut down this last decade, but what do they want to invest in instead? A Missile Defence Industry! with an initial spend of $3.5 billion on U.S. made missiles. I think Holden were asking for $265 million on top of a similar amount they were given, fucking peanuts compared to this war mongering hardware. Don't forget those stupid submarines will cost $80-90 billion
I don't know what you guys think but having U.S. made hypersonic missiles here does not make me feel any safer. I'd prefer a car industry as well.
Not sure if the journo realised how on point her question was to Dutton when she asked how prepared are we against a nuclear powered enemy... short answer these missiles won't give us any defence against that type of threat. If anything they only help destabilise our region 
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I think he will grow into the role.... otherwise someone will stick a knife in his back and boot him out, because that's what we do 
 
His nickname will be Anal
Patriotism, platitudes and cliches for the first 10 mins. The duck are the climate wars? There are just people who don't want to invest in renewables because the transition is difficult.
I don't believe he'll do anything helpful ICAC related until I see the cockroaches running when the sheet is lifted. The last prime minister has said it for 3 years and for now their words don't mean much of anything to me. Yes he was more conservative but still, I think economically liberal and labor have had conservative leanings economically, while labor has more progressive social leanings. Like always, same missiles but with rainbow flags.
Actions not words because in modern times words more than ever mean nothing. I would like to be proven wrong but it hasn't happened yet and a lot of peoples hopes have been dishevelled to say the least when it comes to a politician acting on their political campaign promises.
Can and will establish an ICAC he says, but yeah we'll see. Would be funny if he did and then got stabbed in the back for doing it lol.
Missile go boom, profits go boom too, for military manufacturers that is. The ol sell em weapons and feed em fear. Waste of cash, what even are the polls on missiles and subs? Does ANYONE want them?
It seems nuts to me this article exists with these numbers? Like F, the subs will take 20 years and be obsolete by the time they're done and they're talking about national security now? Spending billions on a bandaid that'll be rotten by the time it arrives? The media bobble heads have done it again imo, feeding shit to the masses. Even if murdoch passed his sons are probably groomed to tilt the media in the same direction ey.
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A small majority of Australians approve of the federal government’s decision to buy nuclear-powered submarines from the United States, but support is weaker among Labor voters and young people, according to a snap poll conducted by Roy Morgan.
In a survey of 1700 people conducted by text message on Thursday, 57 per cent of respondents said they approved of the deal, which ties Australia’s future even more closely to the that of the United States and United Kingdom to the chagrin of China.
The strongest support came from people who back political parties towards the right of the spectrum, with nearly 90 per cent of LNP voters agreeing with the decision, along with a clear majority of One Nation and United Australia backers.
Only 47 per cent of Labor supporters agreed with the deal.
“The issue does create a clear split among ALP supporters with a slim majority of 53 per cent disapproving of the agreement compared to 47 per cent approving,” Michele Levine, CEO of Roy Morgan.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/most-australians-approve-of-nuclear-subs-deal-20210917-p58si8
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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The climate wars? Think Tony Abbott, Clive Palmer, Gina Rheinhart etc 
As for the rest of your summary unfortunately you're probably right.
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With 4 seats still undecided it's looking likely that Labor will just get over the line with a majority government.
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I really love Mark Humphries sense of humour, it's one gag after another and they're all on point. But every time Palmer opens his mouth he gives the comedians more ammo so it's no surprise 
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Wow, the Greens picked up another seat! That's 3 in Brisbane now! and 1 in Melbourne. 3 seats still to be decided.
I'm in The Wide Bay, the Mary River flooded 3 times this last 6 months, I can't ever recall weather like this. Gympie flooded 3 times and the flood in Brisbane all the way through to Lismore was massive.
I wonder if the floods/climate change influenced people's vote in Brisbane? I think it did, Adam Bandt thinks so too https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/australian-greens-hails-best-result-ever-with-dramatic-gains-in-lower-house-and-senate
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Oh well, majority Labor government now.
I'm hopeful we will see a toning down of the rhetoric towards China and possibly a favourable outcome for Julian Assange.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/labor-backbenchers-urge-albanese-to-stay-true-to-his-values-on-julian-assange-trial
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Labor MP Julian Hill, an active member of the cross-party Australian parliamentary group pushing for Assange’s release, said he was hopeful Albanese would pursue the matter.
“Albo is a man of integrity and values and I’m confident, of course, that he will be true to his values,” Hill told Guardian Australia.
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In April, Assange’s father, John Shipton, said the election of a Labor government would be a “great opportunity” to free the WikiLeaks co-founder.
Shipton said he had had several lunches with Albanese and had been assured the then-opposition leader would do “whatever he can” to free his son.
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#27806106 - 06/04/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Albo is a drawer full of words atm, hasn't done shit yet and is still a corrupt piece of it imo.
Until he acts otherwise there's no reason to believe the words on the plate.
I certainly am jaded on politician speak due to the historical string of shite associated.
Bribes are bribes no matter which way you spin it imo.
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‘More money than ever’: gas companies made almost $1m in donations to Labor and Liberals
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/02/more-money-than-ever-gas-companies-made-almost-1m-in-donations-to-labor-and-liberals
Again the dude has a lot of words he's put forward but they're in a vacuum without action so I'm holding out on any praise until it's valid for the actions taken.
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Obscene amount of money': Anthony Albanese backs potential cap on political donations
Anthony Albanese has given in-principle support for a cap on political donations, citing the record $83m donation from Mineralogy to Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party as an example of “obscene” donations that must be curbed.
In a wide-ranging interview on ABC’s Insiders, the Labor leader also confirmed the opposition’s target of net zero emissions by 2050 will include all sectors of the economy and could be achieved in part by adopting the Turnbull-era national energy guarantee in the electricity sector.
Albanese agreed that Australia should introduce a cap on political donations at the federal level, arguing that such a measure is “common sense” because “democracy shouldn’t be for sale”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/23/obscene-amount-of-money-anthony-albanese-backs-potential-cap-on-political-donations
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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Good points for sure and your cynicism is absolutely understandable.
We shall see I guess
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ABC is doing a 2 part series on Julian Assange this Tuesday night on free to air tv. If anyone elsewhere wants to watch it I think you can create an ABC account for free and watch it on ABC Iview 
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/ithaka-a-fight-to-free-julian-assange
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Finally got around to watching the 2nd interview with veteran diplomat John Lander, what a fascinating guy. He was the first Australian ambassador to Iran and was there during the Iran/Iraq War.
Ex politicians are usually at their best once out of politics and the same can be said of Mr Lander. He does a pretty good Gough Whitlam impersonation too 
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Ex politicians are at thier best because they finally get to reap all the speaking fees, consulting, and cushy employment deals they worked out during thier terms.
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They're usually a lot more truthful with their opinions too.
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#27857071 - 07/10/22 09:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, when one runs for office being completely honest on ones positions manifests a disadvantage for compromise or bargaining. The give and take aspect.
Another reason why you will never here the words "yes" or "no"....come out of thier pie holes until the time of vote or after.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27857078 - 07/10/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Is there any accuracy that the Australian PM could block Assange's extradition to the U.S. I keep running across this story, but the Brits are keen on playing nice with the U.S.
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Not that I'm aware of Brian.
I don't think the PM will do anything except maybe ask that he serves any prison time back here.
The press here don't seem to like Assange much either.
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SirTripAlot said: I agree, when one runs for office being completely honest on ones positions manifests a disadvantage for compromise or bargaining. The give and take aspect.
Another reason why you will never here the words "yes" or "no"....come out of thier pie holes until the time of vote or after.
Being honest about what you believe are good policies is not a disadvantage, it brings debate from all sides and requires someone to be able to accurately and effectively defend the positions they are espousing. How does one compromise on universal healthcare in Australia when one position is to have it, and the other is to privatise it? Some legislation is fundamental and cannot be compromised on.
There surely is some nuance, bargaining or compromise to be had within legislation, but I don't believe that hiding your position is an advantage if you have a position that is actually favourable to the populis and you know that it is supported by the majority. Imo, being honest on what your position is, is only a disadvantage if you know it is not democratically supported.
The mass of the Chinese population approve of the communist party because they are incentivised and taught to do so through sanctioned state media and flagrant propagandisation. As is Murdoch media in Australia and the US abroad.
There is a sanctioned overton window put in place to keep the status quo.
Those in political power are representatives of their sponsors and receive admonition if they rock the boat, deflection and dodging is self serving self preservation to keep the money rolling into their own pockets at whatever cost to the public and the environment.
Our politicians receive politically correct, or sponsored bribes, that are given to them in a non contracted quid pro quo arrangement layed out in a way that means the politicians will only continue to recieve their cash injections upon sponsor interest aligned legislation and policy decisions.
The vast majority have opted to sell their position of power which at this point is an inarguable truth, and hence is not safe to discuss fruitfully within the given overton window.
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If your position is known, it is a disadvantage during compromise. Kinda like poker, would you tell your opponent that you are holding a royal flush before he/she has to ante up?
Most politicans will give an indication which way they may vote or stand for however, this will change in a heartbeat if something is offered for more power or backscratching. Don't get me wrong, I wish there was more truth. Maybe I am too cynical.
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If your sponsors know you have a position they don't like then yeah, the politician is at a disadvantage..
If you're trying to sell a car it surely would be disadvantageous to tell the customer the used car actually does need a new battery, a tightened parking break, replaced bushes and an new indicator relay.
If someone thought the voting public was their opponent then maybe their policies weren't supported by the public.
I mean I don't think legislative decision making is analagous to a poker game unless you're referring to someone being in it for themselves.
Legislatively, if I knew my policy was popular and would be supported by the majority then I would run on it, and make it the centre point of my campaign.
I think it's true a lot of politicians will speak out of both sides of their mouths while following the political winds of our bureaucratic overlords for rank careerism, rather than actually making a stand and believing in anything themselves.
At the end of it all it does pay for the individual politician to support their politically correct sponsors when the campaign finance systems allow it, I almost can't blame someone for taking advantage of it if it's there. Alas it is evident that those who do so, do not will to close the legislated loopholes that enable and allow them to do so.
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Ahead of the Pacific Islands Forum, Australia rejects peace plan with China to restore relations between the two countries.
Watch 6:38 - 10:16
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